Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?

[ChungDoQuan]

Use the Swiss solution. By the way, the same thing has worked well for Japan and Scandinavia, too.

[351 power]

when i mention health i'm not talking about health care. you are right woodduck it's not the specifics but the whole unsustainable system. but people need to make up their mind that pointing fingers and holding grudges is not the same as holding those responsible for the mess accountable. a declining system will not level itself out without a majority of conservative and liberal citizens forming a coalition to address the broken leg. because no system can survive without the vision to change. again i'm not saying be like cuba or canada or wherever in respect to healthcare or economics or whatever. i'm saying look at what is not working in your backyard or town or country and find the answer that does work. don't resign yourself to the status quo and watch the decline continue. and make no mistake continual record profits for banks, oil companies, manufacturers who outsource labour, health/insurance providers, etc., is undermining the actual economic stability and health of more than one nation in this world

[SHOOTALL]

Use the Swiss solution. By the way, the same thing has worked well for Japan and Scandinavia, too.

Interesting you bring up places with mostly like groups closed to much outside influnce. One thing not mentioned yet is the lack of need for so many workers now with machines and robots doing much of the work. It will only get more that way in the future. At what point will it become nessary to stop breeding more and in some cases restrict others ? How will things like medical care and food be ditributed when there is no work to justify what a person is to get ? The future will be interesting to say the least .

[scootrd]

Use the Swiss solution. By the way, the same thing has worked well for Japan and Scandinavia, too.

At what point will it become nessary to stop breeding more and in some cases restrict others ?

What exactly are you suggesting here?? A limited birth China model ?
And how would adoption of such a radical policies contribute to alleviating the widening inequality gap. 

[ChungDoQuan]

The whole world should have initiated population control 50 years ago. Without toxic GMO food, the planet could not grow enough food for the population NOW, much less feed future generations. And the world population continues to grow. Nobody understands that when we hit the ceiling, that's it; no food. And all the guns and stashed MREs you can scavenge are not going to help--- gone is gone. The rich will last a few months longer, but not long enough to grow more food, and, how many rich 1% ers do you know that can farm anyway?

[SHOOTALL]

Use the Swiss solution. By the way, the same thing has worked well for Japan and Scandinavia, too.

At what point will it become nessary to stop breeding more and in some cases restrict others ?

What exactly are you suggesting here?? A limited birth China model ?
And how would adoption of such a radical policies contribute to alleviating the widening inequality gap.

 
I suggest nothing really , but only look at what is going on as we need less workers there will be less ways for them to support themselves and family. So at what point , and we are very close , will it be that non producers out nunber produicers and in effect drag down the standard of living for all ?

[SHOOTALL]

Most people don't understand runaway inequality, because they don't think it exist, or as skewed as much as it is.  What they think and what really is...are two entirely different things...!
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What is over looked is to have inequality on one side it exist on the opposite side in most cases. No one ever says that a group of people produce less or don't better the country which is the case. lets call this side the producing side. We only hear where the non producers don't get free lunches .

[scootrd]

Most people don't understand runaway inequality, because they don't think it exist, or as skewed as much as it is.  What they think and what really is...are two entirely different things...!
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The absolute best depiction of the "dirty little secret that should only be talked about in quiet rooms"  according to Romney.
Ty for posting.

"I think it’s fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms and discussions about tax policy and the like" -- Mitt Romney

"Maybe we can debate income inequality and the abuses of Wall Street, if you insist on it, but it's nothing to get upset about." - Mitt Romney

“You know, I think it’s about envy, I think it’s about class warfare.” -- Mitt Romney

"Some people call you the elite. I call you my base" - George Bush

"That’s why I’m richer than you". - Jamie Dimon

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Cant wait to read the responses of those who view.

[SHOOTALL]

Most people don't understand runaway inequality, because they don't think it exist, or as skewed as much as it is.  What they think and what really is...are two entirely different things...!
....TM7

The absolute best depiction of the "dirty little secret that should only be talked about in quiet rooms"  according to Romney. I tend to agree most liberals don't listen they spout out liberal bs and nothing gets accomplished because they don't want the less educated voters to see the truth.
Ty for posting.

"I think it’s fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms and discussions about tax policy and the like" -- Mitt Romney same as above

"Maybe we can debate income inequality and the abuses of Wall Street, if you insist on it, but it's nothing to get upset about." - Mitt Romneywhy get upset ? they play by the rules set by govt. better change rules and go on than start a useless roit

“You know, I think it’s about envy,” he said. “I think it’s about class warfare.” -- Mitt Romney yes it sure seems so.

"Some people call you the elite. I call you my base" - George Bush To be honest yopu provided so little who knows what he is talking about 

"That’s why I’m richer than you". - Jamie Dimon smarter and harder worker ? well of course he is 

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Cant wait to read the responses of those who view.

[Shu]

You go to the doctor and they charge you $50 for a visit. You think it is to high, go get the education and you can charge what you want. Someone went and took the time to learn so they can charge a price. Want a car but don't want to pay for safety testing, reliabilty etc. Build one yourself and see how far you get. Want to earn 20 million a year instead of minimum wage? Get an education. I cannot think of one company that would higher a dropout and promote them to CEO.
Did the rich get rich by waiting on a goverment hand out or did they take their  destiny in their own hands?
 
Demanding that everyone get an equal share of the pie through government mandate is nothing more than theft. Supporting a government that would steal from hard working citizens and give monies to able bodied peoples who refuse to work is criminal.
 
Your neighbor has a farm and you want his produce but have no financial arrangement or his permission for produce. You take it and eat it. That is theft. Are you looking for a law to make theft legal?
 
We got to the point we are at by people demanding things they haven't worked for and the government giving it to them.
 
Want to change laws? Get an education and go into politics. Stop demanding what you didn't work for.
 
 
 

[SHOOTALL]

You go to the doctor and they charge you $50 for a visit. You think it is to high, go get the education and you can charge what you want. Someone went and took the time to learn so they can charge a price. Want a car but don't want to pay for safety testing, reliabilty etc. Build one yourself and see how far you get. Want to earn 20 million a year instead of minimum wage? Get an education. I cannot think of one company that would higher a dropout and promote them to CEO. No the dropouts hired lots of grads 
check out H. Ford , Bill Gates , Larry Ellison , Mike Dell, Steve Jobs, Ralph Lauren, Jerry Yang, to name a few of a very long list. It more about being able to think than an education    I know many educated people who can't think well.Did the rich get rich by waiting on a goverment hand out or did they take their  destiny in their own hands?
 
Demanding that everyone get an equal share of the pie through government mandate is nothing more than theft. Supporting a government that would steal from hard working citizens and give monies to able bodied peoples who refuse to work is criminal.
 
Your neighbor has a farm and you want his produce but have no financial arrangement or his permission for produce. You take it and eat it. That is theft. Are you looking for a law to make theft legal?
 
We got to the point we are at by people demanding things they haven't worked for and the government giving it to them.
 
Want to change laws? Get an education and go into politics. Stop demanding what you didn't work for.

[ChungDoQuan]

Narrowing the inequality gap and everyone getting an equal share are two different things. Nobody expects everyone to make the same wages. For the capitalist system to work, though, the extremes at the top and bottom have got to go. All those extremes do is guarantee more of the same, to a greater degree.

[SHOOTALL]

what extreames are you talking about ? The more products a guy sells the more people he can hire is that a bad thing ? is he to give up profit just because he is sucessful ? just so the guy who made a poor product can be rewarded for something made poor ?

[ChungDoQuan]

If it worked that way, your fairytale would be true. It never has, though. But, hey, keep imagining hard enough, ignoring the past 40 years, and maybe...     NOT!

[SHOOTALL]

If it worked that way, your fairytale would be true. It never has, though. But, hey, keep imagining hard enough, ignoring the past 40 years, and maybe...     NOT!

[SHOOTALL]

Oh but it has worked many times . YES ! the only fairy tale is your Robin Hood thinking 

[mcwoodduck]

Narrowing the inequality gap and everyone getting an equal share are two different things. Nobody expects everyone to make the same wages. For the capitalist system to work, though, the extremes at the top and bottom have got to go. All those extremes do is guarantee more of the same, to a greater degree.

OK so what do you want?  We test everyone at 16 and 17 and send the mto higher education based on their grades on a specific test? 
Get an 80% and you're a plumber, get a 100% and you are a teacher, get a 10% and you're a Democrat leader?
SO since the average salary of the country is about 30,000 a year we just pay everyone that and assign housing based on where the Government housing office finds you a place close to your assigned works place?
So let me ask this, how many movies would be made, how many books would be written, based on the standard test?  How many inventions would be made?  NONe because the printing plants are asingned to make X number of books, the other plants are assigned to make X number of cars, bottles, and rhat have you.  Look at the Soviet Union, the cars they built did not change from the 50's. 

[SHOOTALL]

Narrowing the inequality gap and everyone getting an equal share are two different things. Nobody expects everyone to make the same wages. For the capitalist system to work, though, the extremes at the top and bottom have got to go. All those extremes do is guarantee more of the same, to a greater degree.

OK so what do you want?  We test everyone at 16 and 17 and send the mto higher education based on their grades on a specific test? 
Get an 80% and you're a plumber, get a 100% and you are a teacher, get a 10% and you're a Democrat leader?
SO since the average salary of the country is about 30,000 a year we just pay everyone that and assign housing based on where the Government housing office finds you a place close to your assigned works place?
So let me ask this, how many movies would be made, how many books would be written, based on the standard test?  How many inventions would be made?  NONe because the printing plants are asingned to make X number of books, the other plants are assigned to make X number of cars, bottles, and rhat have you.  Look at the Soviet Union, the cars they built did not change from the 50's.

Hey now be nice we don't need any stupid plumbers 

[mcwoodduck]

Narrowing the inequality gap and everyone getting an equal share are two different things. Nobody expects everyone to make the same wages. For the capitalist system to work, though, the extremes at the top and bottom have got to go. All those extremes do is guarantee more of the same, to a greater degree.

OK so what do you want?  We test everyone at 16 and 17 and send the mto higher education based on their grades on a specific test? 
Get an 80% and you're a plumber, get a 100% and you are a teacher, get a 10% and you're a Democrat leader?
SO since the average salary of the country is about 30,000 a year we just pay everyone that and assign housing based on where the Government housing office finds you a place close to your assigned works place?
So let me ask this, how many movies would be made, how many books would be written, based on the standard test?  How many inventions would be made?  NONe because the printing plants are asingned to make X number of books, the other plants are assigned to make X number of cars, bottles, and rhat have you.  Look at the Soviet Union, the cars they built did not change from the 50's.

Hey now be nice we don't need any stupid plumbers 

Didn't I used to sell you stuff when I worked at Harry Ekloff in Richmond?
Did I mention that a 78 and you're a doctor? 

[SHOOTALL]

Yep you did . And they still do !

[ChungDoQuan]

I really have a hard time getting what you all seem to assume from what I posted. It must be comforting to live in a world that is either/or, black/white, good/bad. Or it must be frightening. You all seem so petrified of what you assume to be Socialism. Socio-capitalism, that is, capitalism with regulation, is the only long term stable economic system. You're arguing with historical fact. Look at our own economy: Less than 50 years of deregulation led to economic collapse. A little socialistic control over Wall Street and the 1%ers would go a long way to improve things here--- you know, like it REALLY was in the '40s, '50s, and '60s, economically. Don't confuse the economic system with the government.

[mcwoodduck]

I really have a hard time getting what you all seem to assume from what I posted. It must be comforting to live in a world that is either/or, black/white, good/bad. Or it must be frightening. You all seem so petrified of what you assume to be Socialism. Socio-capitalism, that is, capitalism with regulation, is the only long term stable economic system. You're arguing with historical fact. Look at our own economy: Less than 50 years of deregulation led to economic collapse. A little socialistic control over Wall Street and the 1%ers would go a long way to improve things here--- you know, like it REALLY was in the '40s, '50s, and '60s, economically. Don't confuse the economic system with the government.

You Just said regulations, that come from the government.  The economic system you are professing has the government as the key.  We all look at the government as a way to allow the natural freedoms of the people to breath and create, allowing the cream to rise to the top and get paid for it.   I do not understand what you are talking about in the 40's, 50's and 60's.
We had no where near as much red tape to get through to open a business, ot expand a business, or to build a new building.
In the 40's you wanted a building and you built it, you hired a contractor, and you were your own inspector making sure the contractor did what you wanted and used the proper materials.  The 60's saw the introduction of massive regulations tyhat expanded government at all levels.  The deregulation of the 80's allowed free enterprise to provide the goods and services the people want and open new companies, create new oppertunities.
And while you may not like deregulation of the 80's with out it, your plane ticket from coast to coast would be about $2500.  and the mass transit system would still be Grey hound and amtrack.  And you may like that.  But the people going on vacation to Fla from NYC to visit Disney h=would have to spend 4 of the 7 days traveling rather than at the magic kingdom.

[ironglow]

As we can see, and is clear even to the most dense..Michelle, Bloomberg, Cuomo, Obama..and the whole bunch want to reach down into our private lives..control our diets, control our soft drinks, control all medical care and even control our personally owned guns...
 
   Chung finds it quite natural to talk..... "control this" and "control that"!
    That's easy, simply because... LIBERALS ARE NATURAL BORN CONTROL FREAKS !!
 
  ...And those not natural born to it, are brainwashed into that mental flaw !

[mcwoodduck]

As we can see, and is clear even to the most dense..Michelle, Bloomberg, Cuomo, Obama..and the whole bunch want to reach down into our private lives..control our diets, control our soft drinks, control all medical care and even control our personally owned guns...
 
   Chung finds it quite natural to talk..... "control this" and "control that"!
    That's easy, simply because... LIBERALS ARE NATURAL BORN CONTROL FREAKS !!
 
  ...And those not natural born to it, are brainwashed into that mental flaw !

I find it funny that all the Liberals are the ones tha will point to the constitution and give you reasons why the government can control this or that.  When the whole reason of the constitution is to control government.   We never need something giving anyone from kings to dictators their power.  we need to limit their power. 
Remember a government that can give you anything can take everything. 
I see parallels to the French Revolution, to te Russian Revolution and the coruption at the end of the Roman Empire in our current times.
Everyone is seeing wealth and figuring out ways to take it from them rather than figuring out ways to make their own wealth. 

[gstewart44]

 ChungDoQuan needs twimyo bandae dollyo goro chagi delivered appropriately to get his thinking straight.....he has been jarred too many times already and is out of sync with reality.

[mcwoodduck]

ChungDoQuan needs twimyo bandae dollyo goro chagi delivered appropriately to get his thinking straight.....he has been jarred too many times already and is out of sync with reality.

The problem is too many agree with his lack of facts, ignoring the law of economics, and the lack of critical thinking.
They think the govenment is a benevolant parent that is going to take care of them.  Rather than the freedom killing machine that never can do with less, but will easily make us do with less and less.

[ChungDoQuan]

I see--- you all just want more of the same... because this is working so well...

[mcwoodduck]

I see--- you all just want more of the same... because this is working so well...

NO we want less of the same.  so it will start working again.
With out the so called safety nets people will take interest in their 401K.
With out the government rules and regulations and massive tax burdens we can get better products, made by Americans, and be energy independant. 
Lowering costs, lowering prices, and creating new jobs and products. 
Stealing the wealth of the 1% and giving it to the government only creates a bigger government that then wants all the wealth of the next 2% and then next 5% untill there is no one else to take from.
Do you understand there are about 1200 billionaires, and 40,000 millionaires.  taking all of their wealth and making them live in section 8 housing and collecting welfare will only run the country at current spending levels for 2 years.  Then who is going to fund the country, you just stole everything from the top 20%. 

[streak]

I see--- you all just want more of the same... because this is working so well...

NO we want less of the same.  so it will start working again.
With out the so called safety nets people will take interest in their 401K.
With out the government rules and regulations and massive tax burdens we can get better products, made by Americans, and be energy independant. 
Lowering costs, lowering prices, and creating new jobs and products. 
Stealing the wealth of the 1% and giving it to the government only creates a bigger government that then wants all the wealth of the next 2% and then next 5% untill there is no one else to take from.
Do you understand there are about 1200 billionaires, and 40,000 millionaires.  taking all of their wealth and making them live in section 8 housing and collecting welfare will only run the country at current spending levels for 2 years.  Then who is going to fund the country, you just stole everything from the top 20%.

Well stated mcwoodduck!!

[scootrd]

I see--- you all just want more of the same... because this is working so well...

NO we want less of the same.  so it will start working again.
With out the so called safety nets people will take interest in their 401K. People in income brackets who rely on the safety nets cannot afford to invest in 401k'S
With out the government rules and regulations and massive tax burdens we can get better products, made by Americans, and be energy independant.  Without moderate rules regs and oversight you end up with the fox watching the hen house whether we are talking financial, environmental , food and drug or any number of other areas.. we saw how well deregulation worked under Bush admin. or should we rewind and play the tape again in case some forgot.
Lowering costs, lowering prices, and creating new jobs and products.  yep how many years of the trickle down experiment did we just go through?. We all see how well that worked out.
Stealing the wealth of the 1% and giving it to the government only creates a bigger government that then wants all the wealth of the next 2% and then next 5% untill there is no one else to take from. No one is suggesting stealing anything , just true tax reforms that employ less complex rules, elimination of perks that only favor the wealthy, and fair tax laws irregardless of income brackets all  must adhere too.
Do you understand there are about 1200 billionaires, and 40,000 millionaires.  taking all of their wealth and making them live in section 8 housing and collecting welfare will only run the country at current spending levels for 2 years.  Then who is going to fund the country, you just stole everything from the top 20%.  No one has suggested anything of the sort. This statement has no roots in reality.