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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #60 on: February 18, 2013, 01:44:07 PM »
any one that thinks  someone  more successful than you


some  how   diminishes  your success


is  just to stupid to cary on a conversation with
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #61 on: February 18, 2013, 01:44:11 PM »
The problem is with y'alls' perception. The "Liberals" of today ARE the conservatives of the past. Today's radical rightys are just wack jobs. The right has become the "knee jerk " right. In another thread, it is obvious that ost of the right does not know the difference between a "liberal" education and being politically liberal. Hint: its not the same thing. I'd like one of the self professed home schoolers here to outline the differences between the Kreb's cycle and photosynthesis at the molecular level. Or, outline the stages of human development of a human fetus without mentioning god. And, even if you can, do you think ALL home schooling parents can? Do y'all really think the 3 Wise Men rode dinosaurs to Bethlehem? Refusing to adapt is as dead as being unable to adapt. Adapting right now, today, means remedying the income inequality that has never been greater in history than it is right now. If you keep on doing the exact same things that led to this, you WILL die off, right, wrong, or other.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #62 on: February 18, 2013, 01:51:20 PM »
kreb cycle  is anorrobic metabolism
what   use to make my monshine....lol


phto synthisis..clorifill  matabolizes  light into energy


NO  I DIDN'T LOOK IT UP....HOW WAS MY MEMORY


if i had looked it up  my   spelen  might have been better
don't judge a book by its cover.....or its spellen
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #63 on: February 18, 2013, 02:07:13 PM »
Miss the "molecular level" part? Oh, well. Just remember, that was a meteor that exploded over Russia, not a test missile. Nobody's built a missile that powerful--- not even us. (By the way, the Kreb's Cycle can be aerobic or anerobic..)
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #64 on: February 18, 2013, 02:13:22 PM »
The problem is with y'alls' perception. The "Liberals" of today ARE the conservatives of the past. Today's radical rightys are just wack jobs. The right has become the "knee jerk " right. In another thread, it is obvious that ost of the right does not know the difference between a "liberal" education and being politically liberal. Hint: its not the same thing. I'd like one of the self professed home schoolers here to outline the differences between the Kreb's cycle and photosynthesis at the molecular level. Or, outline the stages of human development of a human fetus without mentioning god. And, even if you can, do you think ALL home schooling parents can? Do y'all really think the 3 Wise Men rode dinosaurs to Bethlehem? Refusing to adapt is as dead as being unable to adapt. Adapting right now, today, means remedying the income inequality that has never been greater in history than it is right now. If you keep on doing the exact same things that led to this, you WILL die off, right, wrong, or other.
NO!  Todays liberals are yesterdays Communists.
They are the ones that have the knee jerk reactions as any tragity is exploited.
They are the ones that are violating the 1st amendment with the seperation of church and state and are government mandating a belief in man made golbal warming. 
And if parents want to educate their kids at home rather then send them off to be indoctrinated but not able to make change then that is their option as parents.

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« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2013, 08:27:41 PM »
To get back on thread track.

Inequality distorts markets, when there is an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities, you wind up with enormous bubbles.  These bubbles have a real, negative impacts . ( Housing Bubble as example) . IMO , The definition of capital gains needs to be revisited.  Hedge fund wallstreeters manipulating stock prices is a hell of a lot different than an individual investing in a start-up or small business ,or a corporation willing to take on risk to increase expansion. Corporations or individuals that sit on large quantities of cash rather than re-investing produces nothing. 

A reformed tax structure that rewards capital gains re-investment would go along way to increase economic production, decrease unemployment , raise wages , stimulates product purchases. and lessens the gap. If household incomes have no money in your budgets due to stagnate or declining wage loss, product sits on shelves, There are direct correlations , As household income declines the more an economy worsens. Middle class are the true Job creators. Without their purchase power economic growth ceases. Money is only beneficial if it circulates, otherwise its just paper.   

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« Reply #66 on: February 19, 2013, 01:43:06 AM »
Inequality my a**. Alot of people in the last few generations were taught to whine and cry better. They all think that if mommy and daddy will not do for them, the govt. should. Hold my hand, wipe my butt, and dry my nose. gypsyman
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« Reply #67 on: February 19, 2013, 03:40:39 AM »


Inequality distorts markets, when there is an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities, you wind up with enormous bubbles.  These bubbles have a real, negative impacts . ( Housing Bubble as example)


and  how to intend to take away  some ones right to make a bad choice??


as   long as people are allowed to make their own  choices
there will ALWAYS   be in-equality
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #68 on: February 19, 2013, 03:47:36 AM »
Wall Street does $4-5 QUADRILLION in transactions every year--- a 1% tax would be $4-5 TRILLION in revenues annually.  THAT's what we should do.
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« Reply #69 on: February 19, 2013, 04:09:01 AM »
Just the latest in prime example of Causality
This behavior Contributes nothing , and forces Joe Public to pick up the gap and bare the liability in lost tax revenue.

Paulson Leads Funds to Bermuda Tax Dodge Aiding BillionairesLast year, about $450 million belonging to top executives at billionaire hedge fund manager John Paulson's New York firm took a quick round trip to Bermuda. In April, the executives sent the money to a reinsurance company that they’d set up on the island 650 miles off the North Carolina coast. By June, the Bermuda company, which has no employees and sells far less reinsurance than the industry norm, had sent all the cash back to New York, to be invested in Paulson & Co. funds.

By recycling the funds through Bermuda-based Pacre Ltd., the Paulson executives are positioned to legally exploit a little-known tax loophole, reduce their personal income taxes and delay paying the bill for years.“These types of reinsurance companies are permitting U.S. taxpayers to defer -- indefinitely -- U.S. tax,” said David S.Miller, a tax lawyer at Caldwater Wickersham & Taft LLP. For some, he said, it’s “an unjustified benefit.” Because reinsurers, which sell coverage to other insurers, manage large pools of capital, they’re a handy way to funnel a U.S. hedge fund investment through a tax haven.

Tax avoidance isn’t the only advantage to establishing a Bermuda reinsurer, insurance executives said. It means creating a large, fee-paying client that is unlikely to take its money out of a hedge fund after a bad year. Moreover, insurance companies get to invest customers’ premiums for months or years before they pay out claims.

By setting up reinsurance companies there, money managers can take advantage of a loophole in IRS rules. Ordinarily, when hedge fund managers invest in their funds, they pay either the 39.6 percent rate for ordinary income or the 20 percent long- term capital gains rate, depending on how frequently securities are traded, plus an extra 3.8 percent health-law surcharge. If they were to move the hedge funds to tax havens, they would incur IRS penalties on earnings from what the agency calls “passive foreign investment companies.”

Here’s the catch: The IRS doesn’t penalize earnings from insurance companies, which it considers to be “active” businesses. As a result, by routing money through a Bermuda reinsurer, which in turn puts its assets back into their own hedge funds, fund managers can defer any taxes until selling the stake. They then pay only the lower capital gains tax rate.

 DISGUSTING , ......AND THE GAP WIDENS.
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« Reply #70 on: February 19, 2013, 05:14:12 AM »
Scoot......these guys like inequality_ _its their zietgeist...they consider it natural Social Darwinian and evidence that so-called conservative principles are in effect. Of course, they just might be one great depression, one big stock market loss, one job termination and replacement by inshored help, one home foreclosure, one healthcare treatment denial, one bank account foreclosure, one property condemning, etc...away from changing their minds...
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That's fine , I'm not here to change minds. I have my own opinion, they are entitled to theirs . I am just pointing out causalities.
One should just remember however come April 15th if they have to write a check (or receive an ever shrinking refund) understand why your writing that check or receiving a bread crumb pittance. Cause and effect.

ie: allowance of these loopholes shift private Tax burden seamlessly to public tax burdens, and middle class pays the brunt.
if your into supporting your local wallstreet millionaires hedge that inequality gap even wider your more welcome to send a disproportionate amount of your your hard earned ever shrinking household income to Washington to do so. I for one am not.

True tax reform is needed

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« Reply #71 on: February 19, 2013, 05:32:38 AM »
"Spending cuts alone is not an economic plan." The right wants the government to operate free of charge. Exactly where the money is supposed to come from for things like roads, the military, police, etc. is not clear.
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« Reply #72 on: February 19, 2013, 06:49:08 AM »
"Spending cuts alone is not an economic plan." The right wants the government to operate free of charge. Exactly where the money is supposed to come from for things like roads, the military, police, etc. is not clear.


the  economic  plan obumer and the democrats are pursueing  now


IS BANKRUPTCY
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #73 on: February 19, 2013, 03:08:27 PM »
Just because the right does not go for it does not mean it will fail, unlike the Reaganomics policies that we all KNOW failed.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2013, 03:31:04 PM »
"Spending cuts alone is not an economic plan." The right wants the government to operate free of charge. Exactly where the money is supposed to come from for things like roads, the military, police, etc. is not clear.


the  economic  plan obumer and the democrats are pursueing  now


IS BANKRUPTCY

The Austerity measures and path put forth by the Republicans is an economic failure in the making (tried, tested , and faild) just look towards Europe for net result. This do nothing congress is nothing short of inept.

Me thinks the truth lies somewhere in between IE: A balanced approach cutting waste and, closing loopholes through true tax reform.

Course if you require more proof wait 10 days from now when sequester sets in ans we cut ourselves into a recession . GS workers lose their Jobs, NASA eliminates 66, 000 jobs , Teachers laid off, first responders furloughed , FAA has to layoff or shorten hours of employees , Military defense contracts cancelled in the billions resulting in more private sector Job loss , Military bases closed , local military town economies will suffer, unemployment rises by 100, 000's and on and on and on.
Then when reality sets in let us know how that European Austerity plan worked out.

A quick tip : do as you please , but if sequester and Austerity kicks in I suggest not flying on March 1st or beyond.

BTW if interested here is 395 page report on everything that gets cut ....... enjoy , will makes good reading for defense contractors while standing in unemployment or Bread lines with others.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/files/2012/09/Combined_STAReport_Watermark.pdf

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« Reply #75 on: February 19, 2013, 04:00:19 PM »
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Somehow this thread has morphed into The poor, the lazy , welfare etc..
Well, ya Scoot...but because there are a good number of lazy people around, it's the truth, and their numbers are growing. So if there are facts to be considered, you almost have to mention it. The big cities and other areas are packed with people with no motivation, no doubt about it.
When people who work hard for a living are outvoted by people who make a living voting to not work, your bound to have some problems at some point. The takers are draining the makers, add to that our corrupt government, there is no more money to spread around. Or at least nothing we WANT to spread around anymore. I'd like to keep all my own money under these conditions, why waste it funneling it through our government?
Not everyone is equal, and we have to pay for all those people who are not motivated. I really don't want to anymore, I have not been getting a bang for my buck all these year, my taxes were used for campaigns, running guns, abortions, bankrupt green businesses, government growth, and holding up private companies and unions. I don't see what that did for me, except make me work harder and budget more.
Well stated jimster!
Alot of the inequality that exist today was fueled back in the days of LBJ and his " Great Society" welfare program! Once again government throwing money at a problem as a solution!! Now we have generations that were born into this system and that is all they know and therefore will always for the most part be not equal to the average citizen. But  alas ! This is also the breeding source for the democrats for their voting base!
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« Reply #76 on: February 20, 2013, 01:49:34 AM »
We are all created equal that is a fact. We came into the world the same way. It is how we live that makes the difference. Do we live parasiticaly or do we produce. There will be inequallities in life. Simple if you bust your butt, get an education or a useful jobskill you have a much higher earning potential than someone who sits on the couch smoking pot all day. I am in favor of everyone paying their fair share. I am not in favor of punishing someone becuase they make more than I do.
 
I enlisted at 17 served my time , got a job and put myself through college at night while starting a family. If I can do that there is no excuse for not getting that high school diploma, learn a trade or get a college education. There are many members on this board who are successful through hard work. There might be a successful member who was lucky and became successful. There are none who are succesful by doing nothing and living off of the government dole.
 
When you work hard for something you do not want it taken away by those who don't in the name of equality. Marxism looks great on paper but it truly sucks when applied to a large scale.

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« Reply #77 on: February 20, 2013, 04:49:53 AM »
Let's see if I've got this straight; the liberal (communist) path to prosperity is to spend yourself rich, borrow your way out of debt and by all means tax the hell out of success.  And along the way you must subsidize laziness, poor planning, bad habits, poor performance, waste, bad luck and generally anything that is nonproductive.


To cap it all off, you have to put people in government that believe freedom, liberty and personal responsibility are silly notions that must be eliminated for true happiness and equality to succeed.


That is my opinion; that's what I see happening.   
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« Reply #78 on: February 20, 2013, 05:11:59 AM »
Let's see if I've got this straight; the liberal (communist) path to prosperity is to spend yourself rich, borrow your way out of debt and by all means tax the hell out of success.  And along the way you must subsidize laziness, poor planning, bad habits, poor performance, waste, bad luck and generally anything that is nonproductive.


To cap it all off, you have to put people in government that believe freedom, liberty and personal responsibility are silly notions that must be eliminated for true happiness and equality to succeed.


That is my opinion; that's what I see happening.
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« Reply #79 on: February 20, 2013, 04:18:17 PM »
Scoot says;
  " Inequality distorts markets, when there is an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities, you wind up with enormous bubbles.  These bubbles have a real, negative impacts . ( Housing Bubble as example)"
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  Come on Scoot...  nobody here should be that unaware!  The housing bubble came about for exactly the cause you are pleading in this very thread ... forced "equality! 
  A number of years ago the lefties in their brilliance decided that anyone shoild OWN a home..whether or not they worked, had any money, were making enough to cover the home they were buying or had a record of consistant credit...made no difference to the lefties!
  So the Lefties passed a measure which said people of doubtful finances or credit record , could buy a $300,000 home with "no money down"..
  Naturally; all kinds of bad risks jumped into the game... and just as naturally, most of them crapped out!.. 
     ...POP GOES THE BUBBLE!
 
   Talk to Chris Dodd and Barney Frank..
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« Reply #80 on: February 20, 2013, 05:42:11 PM »
Scoot says;
  " Inequality distorts markets, when there is an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities, you wind up with enormous bubbles.  These bubbles have a real, negative impacts . ( Housing Bubble as example)"
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  Come on Scoot...  nobody here should be that unaware!  The housing bubble came about for exactly the cause you are pleading in this very thread ... forced "equality! 
  A number of years ago the lefties in their brilliance decided that anyone shoild OWN a home..whether or not they worked, had any money, were making enough to cover the home they were buying or had a record of consistant credit...made no difference to the lefties!
  So the Lefties passed a measure which said people of doubtful finances or credit record , could buy a $300,000 home with "no money down"..
  Naturally; all kinds of bad risks jumped into the game... and just as naturally, most of them crapped out!.. 
     ...POP GOES THE BUBBLE!
 
   Talk to Chris Dodd and Barney Frank..

Bankers and mortgage lenders are Lefties? go figure.

And you just supported my point.  - an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities
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« Reply #81 on: February 20, 2013, 05:58:14 PM »
Scoot says;
  " Inequality distorts markets, when there is an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities, you wind up with enormous bubbles.  These bubbles have a real, negative impacts . ( Housing Bubble as example)"
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  Come on Scoot...  nobody here should be that unaware!  The housing bubble came about for exactly the cause you are pleading in this very thread ... forced "equality! 
  A number of years ago the lefties in their brilliance decided that anyone shoild OWN a home..whether or not they worked, had any money, were making enough to cover the home they were buying or had a record of consistant credit...made no difference to the lefties!
  So the Lefties passed a measure which said people of doubtful finances or credit record , could buy a $300,000 home with "no money down"..
  Naturally; all kinds of bad risks jumped into the game... and just as naturally, most of them crapped out!.. 
     ...POP GOES THE BUBBLE!
 
   Talk to Chris Dodd and Barney Frank..

Bankers and mortgage lenders are Lefties? go figure.

And you just supported my point.  - an enormous amount of money chasing a limited number of investment opportunities
No barney Frank (complete leftist and tax cheat) wrote a law that made banks give loans to people that could not afford them.
It created the housing bubble, and had those people been responsible and made payments on the houses, had they not borrowed more to put furniture in the house, and buy new cars all at the same time woudl would not have had the bubble pop.
People wouyld not have lost vast fortunes in their #1 asset. 
When asked about the law, and why he wrote it Frank said the Banks have a lot of money and they can afford to give it to poor people.
So yes we can blame the left and their laws for the state of the country.  The see wealth and rather than working to help make other rich by increasing the number of pies they try to take the slices from others and give it to their voters.

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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #82 on: February 21, 2013, 12:42:19 AM »
NO US bank has ever been "made" to give a loan! The banks LOBBIED for the deregulation that LET them make subprime loans, while still being guaranteed by the federal programs. They did that so they could charge higher interest. The BANKS, and their money-is-god right wing conservatives created the housing bubble. Capitalism: it's Y'ALL'S system, why do I keep having to explain to you how it works? Deregulation is the same as running amok!
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« Reply #83 on: February 21, 2013, 02:02:38 AM »
Well then explain how to get out of debt. How to establish a fair tax system. How to bring back prosperity for everyone. Why do you think everyone should be equal financially?
 
Please explain that, I would like an education.

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« Reply #84 on: February 21, 2013, 02:34:54 AM »
scootrd, i get it. unfortunately this just goes round and round. looks like a crash is the only way to stop this bus.
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« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2013, 04:32:10 AM »
Well then explain how to get out of debt. How to establish a fair tax system. How to bring back prosperity for everyone. Why do you think everyone should be equal financially?
 
Please explain that, I would like an education.

I don't think everyone should be equal. I do think society should be set up to keep the extremes in check. Nobody should be too big to fail; nobody should be so small they don't matter. There are rules in every game--- the right has consistently removed those rules over the last 30 years for the top 2%, while making the rules harder to follow for everyone else. The deck is stacked--- we need to shuffle.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

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« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2013, 04:41:56 AM »
In a system where one is allowed to be free to succede one must always be allowed to fail. When you try to manipulate that so there is a false floor it eliminates the need for some to seek success as they are satisfyed to remain on the false floor while achivers gain more. The gap gets wider. Like everything else when govt. takes control more damage is done than good. Min wage is a good example it causes many not to hire , it causes prices to go up , it makes America less competive world wide and those making min wage can't buy any more stuff because products rose in price to cover their raise. It is little more than a tax and one must wonder if it is not done to create more tax income ?
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« Reply #87 on: February 21, 2013, 04:54:37 AM »
Good enough representation of the right radical mythology, completely ignoring history. Y'all don't ever change.  ;) The Dems will love it.
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« Reply #88 on: February 21, 2013, 05:03:55 AM »
Mythology  ;D  please explain how it is that when other forms of economys  are tried they go broke and revert back to profit driven systems ? The myth is that when pay does not justify effort it will still attract workers who are willing to sacrifice . Only when forced do they work.
 If you believe we are wrong then take all your wealth and give it to a homeless person and prove your dedication to your beliefs
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« Reply #89 on: February 21, 2013, 05:08:41 AM »
Shootall makes good sense..and Hussein should not get to smug with himself...  Catch the reaction to Jay Leno's joke about him in this 40 second video..   ..And this from a lefty audience!
           http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/20/jay-leno-mocks-obama-audience-actually-applauds/
 
  Wait until the goodies start to run out for the parasite class..  They will out-Greece  Greece in their riots and lawlessness.  Just picture a [place where all the stores are already looted, no new stock coming in..and they are getting hungry..
    Is this why the Democ-rats want to disarm Americans?.
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