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« Reply #90 on: February 21, 2013, 05:47:51 AM »
Shootall makes good sense..and Hussein should not get to smug with himself...  Catch the reaction to Jay Leno's joke about him in this 40 second video..   ..And this from a lefty audience!
           http://dailycaller.com/2013/02/20/jay-leno-mocks-obama-audience-actually-applauds/
 
  Wait until the goodies start to run out for the parasite class..  They will out-Greece  Greece in their riots and lawlessness.  Just picture a [place where all the stores are already looted, no new stock coming in..and they are getting hungry..
    Is this why the Democ-rats want to disarm Americans?.
Personally I really think this is the goal. 
Everything he is doing will only hasten the collapse of the economy and having more and more people waiting for government cheese will only create a back lash to our constitution and communism will sound better to many that want a pay check and a place to live. 

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« Reply #91 on: February 21, 2013, 06:07:24 AM »
CDQ mentions the quadtrillion amount produced by the stock market and talks about a 1% tax.  CDQ, most stock investments are retirement funds.  People will pay the tax when they withdraw money.  Day traders and people trading to make money do not pay tax until they withdraw it.  Taxes are already paid, but most money stays there being invested, sold and reinvested.  Only when individuals sell their stock do they pay taxes.  If it is used immediately it is capital gains tax. If it is used for retirement, it is income tax. 
 
When our nation was at it's peek, say 1960, the divorce rate was far lower, people stayed married.  It is a fact that married couples, even if they have poor incomes, have a higher standard of living than a single person with kids. 
 
Another fact:  75% of gun murders in America is in 4 cities, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Washington DC.  90% of these murders are black on black.  Libs are not even addressing the real issue here, because it would be "racist".  Why, because most blacks do not marry, most black kids are raised by a single mom.  Welfare mentality with money and food stamps keeps them there, and they never really try to succeed, because it requires work and persistance.  Welfare mentality keeps people poor.
 
Another fact, and both parties are to blame here.  Under Clinton, the free trade agreements were signed, last one being with China in 1998.  This sucked the factories we had, especially labor intensive factories, overseas.  These factories provided health care and a low middle class income at worse.  In 1989 after Reagan, about 19% of Americans worked in factories.  Today it is only about 10-11%.  From 1960 - 1989 we went from about 30% working in factories to 19%.  This without free trade, but with more computers and robotics. 
 
The only reason the rich got richer during Clinton and Bush is because they had money to invest in the stock markets while poor did not.  Stocks rose rapidly thus making them richer.  However, it is all paper for the rich, only when they sell their stocks and bonds and use it for themselves, does it actually MAKE them richer.  Middle class invested using their 401k plans for their retirements. 
 
Another fact:  The average poor family in American has around 1,100 sq feet of living space in their homes or apartments.  They also have at least one big screen tv, washers, dryers, microwaves, and refrigerators, and a used car.  The MIDDLE class European and their so call socialist utopias, have an average of 800 sq ft per family, one car, refrigerator, and maybe washers, dryers, and a TV.  Less wealth than the average poor American.  Hmmm.
 
Average american family has at least two cars, three TV's, microwave, refrigerator, washers, dryers, and an 1,800 sq ft home.  So who is really poor, American poor, or European-Japanese-Chinese middle classes. 
 
Another fact:  The average dollar you spend goes around 7 times before it gets back to you.  The more we import, the more drain on our economy. Develop our own oil, natural gas, and coal, and all this money stays in America creating jobs, not going to the middle east for them to spend our money somewhere else. 
 
We must rework our trade agreements to benefit us, not others.  We must develop our own natural resources.  How, Get government to solve these free trade agreements and allow us to develop our resources. 
 
Another fact:  Obamacare isn't going to work, it is creating nightmares in implementation and doesn't provide one more doctor.  Retailers are going to 30 hour workweeks for most of their employees.  The penalty in 2014 for not having insurance will be less than the cost of private insurance.  More healther younger part time workers will just opt out and pay the penalty.  Thus less insured, and more insurance companies going bankrupt.  This is going to cost more and take more money out of circulation stimulating the economy.  Alreay health care costs have risen 14% from last year and Obamacare was to make it more afordable.  This hurts the economy also.
 
 

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« Reply #92 on: February 21, 2013, 06:13:08 AM »
Yes, and Obama knows that.  He is using that.  I truly believe he is a Muslim and that he hates America.  He wants us to fail.  Before he leaves office, the Dems will be so entrenched we'll never get them out.  Obama is playing on the needs of people who won't work and on the stupidity of the masses.  Minimum wage, welfare, Obamacare, gun control and all his other policies and ideas have a single purpose, to ruin us financially and place us fully under government control. 

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« Reply #93 on: February 21, 2013, 06:32:04 AM »
In a system where one is allowed to be free to succede one must always be allowed to fail. When you try to manipulate that so there is a false floor it eliminates the need for some to seek success as they are satisfyed to remain on the false floor while achivers gain more. The gap gets wider. Like everything else when govt. takes control more damage is done than good. Min wage is a good example it causes many not to hire , it causes prices to go up , it makes America less competive world wide and those making min wage can't buy any more stuff because products rose in price to cover their raise. It is little more than a tax and one must wonder if it is not done to create more tax income ?

Minimum wage Drive urban myths some digest , regurgitate , but never verify.

The Economic Policy Institute did an in depth Study in 2004 on minimum wage and it's affect on Business employment and found no correlation. And actually found evidence to the contrary.

Conclusion

Despite very strong evidence to the contrary, those opposed to minimum wage hikes continue to claim that such policies have and will eliminate jobs. Nonetheless, the number of states with minimum wages above the federal rate has more than doubled since the last time the federal government raised the minimum wage in 1997. This year, legislators will be voting on state minimum wage boosts in states such as New York and Minnesota. A governor’s task force made up of business, labor, legislative, and education leaders recently recommended raising the Wisconsin minimum wage by $1.35, and voters may be asked to vote on a minimum wage increase at the ballot this fall in Florida and Nevada.

The question of whether moderate minimum wage increases have an insignificantly positive or insignificantly negative impact on particular segments of the labor market will continue to be fruitful work for economists. In the meantime, policy makers should be aware that the facts clearly show that the benefits of such increases outweigh any potential costs.


http://www.epi.org/publication/briefingpapers_bp150/

A more recent study also concluded :
 
  • Increasing the federal minimum wage to $9.80 by July 1, 2014, would raise the wages of about 28 million workers, who would receive nearly $40 billion in additional wages over the phase-in period.
  • Across the phase-in period of the minimum-wage increase, GDP would increase by roughly $25 billion, resulting in the creation of approximately 100,000 net new jobs over that period.
http://www.epi.org/publication/ib341-raising-federal-minimum-wage/

As Congress considers legislation to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 by 2009, my testimony stresses these points:
• In terms of its buying power, the federal minimum wage stands at a 52 year low.  Compared to the average wage, the current minimum wage stands at 30.8%, the lowest level on record.4
• Since the last increase in the minimum wage, inflation has eroded one-fifth of its value.  For someone working full-time, full-year at the federal minimum, this represents a loss of over $2,500 per year.
While opponents of the increase stress job loss effects, recent research on the employment impacts of minimum wage increases show such effects to be negligible, with estimates that hover about zero;

In 2006, over 650 economists, including five Nobel Prize winners and six past presidents of the American Economics Association signed a statement that stated: “we believe that a modest increase in the minimum wage would improve the well-being of low-wage workers and would not have the adverse effects that critics have claimed.

I think I will side with Nobel economists and professors views over Drive by media political hack talking points trying to push personal agenda's.

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« Reply #94 on: February 21, 2013, 07:18:28 AM »
this  is about as  simple as i can  make it


''AS LONG AS WE TOLERATE FREE  CHOICE
WE  WILL NEVER HAVE EQUALITY''
                                                             TIM HAMPTON


some people will always  make better choices than others
many will even  make out right  bad choises
and  we should some be responsible  for some one else  when that person contributes  nothing
that  to is inequlaity  when  one contributes   more than another
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #95 on: February 21, 2013, 10:02:16 AM »
In a system where one is allowed to be free to succede one must always be allowed to fail. When you try to manipulate that so there is a false floor it eliminates the need for some to seek success as they are satisfyed to remain on the false floor while achivers gain more. The gap gets wider. Like everything else when govt. takes control more damage is done than good. Min wage is a good example it causes many not to hire , it causes prices to go up , it makes America less competive world wide and those making min wage can't buy any more stuff because products rose in price to cover their raise. It is little more than a tax and one must wonder if it is not done to create more tax income ?

Minimum wage Drive urban myths some digest , regurgitate , but never verify.

The Economic Policy Institute did an in depth Study in 2004 on minimum wage and it's affect on Business employment and found no correlation. And actually found evidence to the contrary.

Conclusion

Despite very strong evidence to the contrary, those opposed to minimum wage hikes continue to claim that such policies have and will eliminate jobs. Nonetheless, the number of states with minimum wages above the federal rate has more than doubled since the last time the federal government raised the minimum wage in 1997. This year, legislators will be voting on state minimum wage boosts in states such as New York and Minnesota. A governor’s task force made up of business, labor, legislative, and education leaders recently recommended raising the Wisconsin minimum wage by $1.35, and voters may be asked to vote on a minimum wage increase at the ballot this fall in Florida and Nevada.

The question of whether moderate minimum wage increases have an insignificantly positive or insignificantly negative impact on particular segments of the labor market will continue to be fruitful work for economists. In the meantime, policy makers should be aware that the facts clearly show that the benefits of such increases outweigh any potential costs.


http://www.epi.org/publication/briefingpapers_bp150/

A more recent study also concluded :
 
  • Increasing the federal minimum wage to $9.80 by July 1, 2014, would raise the wages of about 28 million workers, who would receive nearly $40 billion in additional wages over the phase-in period.
  • Across the phase-in period of the minimum-wage increase, GDP would increase by roughly $25 billion, resulting in the creation of approximately 100,000 net new jobs over that period.
http://www.epi.org/publication/ib341-raising-federal-minimum-wage/

As Congress considers legislation to raise the minimum wage to $7.25 by 2009, my testimony stresses these points:
• In terms of its buying power, the federal minimum wage stands at a 52 year low.  Compared to the average wage, the current minimum wage stands at 30.8%, the lowest level on record.4
• Since the last increase in the minimum wage, inflation has eroded one-fifth of its value.  For someone working full-time, full-year at the federal minimum, this represents a loss of over $2,500 per year.
While opponents of the increase stress job loss effects, recent research on the employment impacts of minimum wage increases show such effects to be negligible, with estimates that hover about zero;

In 2006, over 650 economists, including five Nobel Prize winners and six past presidents of the American Economics Association signed a statement that stated: “we believe that a modest increase in the minimum wage would improve the well-being of low-wage workers and would not have the adverse effects that critics have claimed.

I think I will side with Nobel economists and professors views over Drive by media political hack talking points trying to push personal agenda's.

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so when a company hires one instead of two it has not had an effect ? When a company lays off because of the increase it has no effect ? When price of products rise it has no effect ? I can assure you that when prices rise and wages don't those above min wage take a cut in pay because their take home pay buys less.
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« Reply #96 on: February 21, 2013, 10:41:33 AM »
The Economic Policy Institute is liberal based.  From the economics I took in college, minimum wage actually HURTS teens from getting jobs.  In 1980 about 75% of teens had summer or part time jobs.  Today only about 15% do.  The rise in minimum wage plus illegal aliens have destroyed teen jobs, thus leading to more crime, drugs, sex, and gangs among teens.  If they raise the minimum wage to $9, a Wopper will cost over $6 or for a value meal, it would be about $10 instead of about $6 now. 
 
Obamacare is already destroying the health care and health insurance business.  Raising the minimum wage will further destroy low paying jobs, thus leading to MORE on welfare and food stamps.  Grow the poverty and gain more voters. 
 
What liberals like CDQ don't understand is we as conservatives don't like ALL of what Republicans have done or stand for.  For instance free trade instead of fair trade.  Endless wars, when we need to develop our own resources and cut the middle east oil out.  They will not have the money to support Islamic terroism, missles and nukes. 
 
Bring our factories back, put people to work, build pipelines, drill, use our own resources, build thorium nuke plants for power.  PRIVATE sector jobs = more tax money for infrastructure.  Bigger government = socialism or communism.
 
Total freedom = Sometimes leads to anarcy or Pure Democracy doesn't work well except in extremely small groups. 
 
Democratic Republic = The US in 1800s to the 1930's  (Representative government)
 
Welfare Capitalist Republic = The US after FDR till Obama (Representative government but money is transferred to the extreme poor for nothing in return)
 
Socialism = What we might have or shortly have under Obama.  Socialism usually transitions from a welfare capitalist state when the total government (feds, states, local) take at least 50% of all income in taxes, styfles economic growth, slow or stagnent. 
 
Extreme socialism = Facism (conservative nationalistic socialsm usually with a dictator like Hitler or Mussilini, usually one party rule) or
Communism (liberal socialism wanting the whole world under dictatorship of the proletariant like soviet Russia, Maoist China, North Korea and Cuba, also usually one party rule)
 
Another type system is royalty:
A King can have any type of economy, and could be a benevolent dictator or an evil dictator.  Japan and England still have Emperors and Kings/Queens but the are only symbolic and have no real power.  Both have had good and bad rulers over the years. 
 
 

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« Reply #97 on: February 22, 2013, 12:47:11 AM »
liberal [ˈlɪbərəl ˈlɪbrəl]
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1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom
3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour
4. tolerant of other people
5. abundant; lavish a liberal helping of cream
6. not strict; free a liberal translation
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[from Latin līberālis of freedom, from līber free]
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"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." George Washington
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« Reply #98 on: February 22, 2013, 12:58:53 AM »
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If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

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« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2013, 01:14:59 AM »
All the liberals I know are very INTOLERANT of a CHRISTIAN viewpoint, Christian values, they hate guns and hunting and those who advocate it.  They hate a strict moral code such as Christianity, but welcome Muslims who are the most strict in the world.  They are the most schizophrenic in their beliefs.  They are willing to spend YOUR money on THEIR programs.  They are not very giving, fact is, conservatives give more of their personal money to charities than liberals.  They say one thing and do another.
 
 

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« Reply #101 on: February 22, 2013, 01:38:00 AM »
They simply EQUATE christianity with other beliefs instead of showing preference to christianity. 40% of liberals own guns. They believe that the government should be of, by, and FOR the people, so the charities so-called conservatives give to, then write off as tax deductions, should not have been necessary and should have been part of the rights of the underprivledged, instead of dependent on the whims of donors. Y'all are arguing with a dictionary.
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« Reply #102 on: February 22, 2013, 01:41:27 AM »
liberal political leanings have nothing at all to do with seeking the liberation of a citizenery
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« Reply #103 on: February 22, 2013, 04:21:53 AM »
'Minimum wage' has very little to do with a 'living wage'........Business' that pay minimum wage and such rely on taxpayer supports of their workers..... food stamps, medicaids or unpaid emergency room visits, all the immigrant support mechanisms, etc.....Essentially the taxpayer pays the other half of the living wage. WalMart comes to mind.....as example.
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« Reply #104 on: February 22, 2013, 05:04:58 AM »
To paraphrase Bill Gates: Life is not fair.
It has ever been thus, so what's all the whining about?

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« Reply #105 on: February 22, 2013, 05:52:19 AM »
can  one of you liberal....or any one else


tell  me


how  freedom  of choice and equality can  co-exist??
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #106 on: February 22, 2013, 06:17:35 AM »
what happens when  some ones choice is not as good as someone elses??


who guarantees  equal outcomes?
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #107 on: February 22, 2013, 06:35:10 AM »

“My view has been to allow the minimum wage to rise with the CPI or with another index so it adjusts automatically over time,”
- Romney

The Consumer Price Index (CPI) is a measure of the average change over time in the prices paid by urban consumers for a market basket of consumer goods and services. 

"So here’s an idea that Governor Romney and I actually agreed on last year: let’s tie the minimum wage to the cost of living, so that it finally becomes a wage you can live on." - Obama


Seems common sense to me.

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« Reply #108 on: February 22, 2013, 06:45:22 AM »
remember all those banks an car companies that got bailed out by govt? those corporate executives were the only ones to retain choice. they had someone else [taxpayers] keep their business afloat and they also paid themselves a huge bonus to travel, buy luxuries or whatever. taxpayers paid for those choices. smell the coffee. big business controls govt choice and pulls money out of your pocket. everyday. pointing at supposed lazy people just distracts us from the true puppet masters. been alot of years since common man had free choice or equality
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« Reply #109 on: February 22, 2013, 07:52:45 AM »
A GOVERNMENT THAT CAN  MAKE THINGS EQUAL
CAN only DO SO BY TAKEING FROM ONE AND GIVING TO ANOTHER


OCASIONALLY/OFTEN  THEY GIVE IT TO SOME ONE THAT ALREADY HAS  MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #111 on: February 22, 2013, 10:49:25 AM »
The minimum wage law is proof that liberals and their like, always create the exact opposite of their intent. Not a lot of research is required to find the truth about who minimum laws hurt the most.
Also put yourself in the employers position when they are mandated to pay an unskilled worker more than what their economic value is worth.
Employers are greedy though, right?....and we have to have government mandate what to pay unskilled workers.
The min wage laws are just another socialist idea in hopes of creating equality, and equality is just another socialist pipe dream.     
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« Reply #112 on: February 22, 2013, 11:37:55 AM »
 
liberal [ˈlɪbərəl ˈlɪbrəl]
adj
1. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having social and political views that favour progress and reform
2. (Government, Politics & Diplomacy) relating to or having policies or views advocating individual freedom  Individual freedom to choose our own health insurance, choose what kind and how many guns we can have.
3. giving and generous in temperament or behaviour   Being generous with OTHER people's money doesn't count!
4. tolerant of other people  Yes ..Christians can vouch for today's liberal's TOLERANCE. ;) ;D Liberals of 1776 were nearly ALL outspoken Christians themselves.
5. abundant; lavish a liberal helping of cream  Like liberal Chris Matthews' cream?
6. not strict; free a liberal translation  Not strict ..lawless
7. (Social Science / Education) of or relating to an education that aims to develop general cultural interests and intellectual ability    Obviously, a failure with today's liberals.. ;D
n
(Government, Politics & Diplomacy) a person who has liberal ideas or opinions  Uh-huh..And so proud of today's liberalism..they want to call themselves "progressives"..
[from Latin līberālis of freedom, from līber free]
liberally  adv
liberalness  n


"As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality." George Washington
  George Washington & Co WERE liberals.. Liberals of the 1776 variety....When they wrote the constitution they started right off with "provide for the common defense"..not "reduce our defense in the face of growing enemies".
   They said "The right of the people  to keep and bear arms, shall not be  infringed..
 
   They established a "freedom of religion".. not a "freedom to harass those who practice the Christian religion".
 
  They made no provision for individual welfare checks, headstart, free cell phones, WIC, dept of education, National Endowment for the "arts" or "humanities", lobbyiests were ignored, did not grant special favors to certain races, genders, religions or perverts.
 
THey were generally in agreement that "big bossy government" was what they DID NOT want..they had already experienced too much of that!
   In fact here's a quote;  " The government that governs least, governs best"...Thomas Jefferson
   
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  Yes Chung, you sure are comical.. trying to equate the classical definition of "liberal" with today's sad excuse for liberalism. ;) ;D
 
  Classically; being a "liberal" meant "keeping my nose out of other people's business"... and being liberal enough to allow other folks to "be all they can be" without my interference!
 
Easy to remember..but says it all....
 
    The liberals of 1787  gave us our "right to keep and bear arms"
             It's the liberals of 2013 who are trying to destroy "our right to keep and bear arms"...
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #113 on: February 22, 2013, 11:55:30 AM »
That's why I am now a Libertarian ;)
Freedom Of Speech.....Once we lose it, every other freedom will follow.

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If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #116 on: February 23, 2013, 05:11:39 AM »
i  still  don't  understand
 how you can tolerate  free choice  and  demand  equality


as long as there is free choice  we will NEVER have equality


do  you take away free choice
or do you take un-equally from the ones that made better choises
i don't see other options.....other than  just let it go  and  say


''INEQUALITY   IS ONE OF THE PRICES OF FREEDOM''
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #117 on: February 23, 2013, 12:13:33 PM »
how can anyone fail to recognize that there are distinct classes of citizens in their country. then following that how can anyone fail to see the ways those classes are maintaining privilege for themselves. the caste system of india, the monarchy that your forefathers fled in england, the CEOs controlling the major corps of the day. you are free to choose to compete with any of those hierarchies but don't deny that they exist. and realize that without checks and balances the system will eventually gobble up all competitors until your are left with a monopoly. then who dictates? so where is the system headed that is the question
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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #118 on: February 23, 2013, 01:44:22 PM »
And that's the whole point. 40 years ago there were around 50 news services. Today there are maybe 6. Enforcement of antitrust laws would have stopped that. It would also have stopped Chevron from buying the company that has the patents for cheap, reliable batteries for electric cars--- the only ones that can compete economically with gas engines. (They still won't let anybody produce those batteries in anything larger than a "C" cell.) Further enforcement of environmental laws would make coal companies restore mountaintops to their original height when the coal was stripped out--- wind power companies, who install windmills on mountaintops because of stronger winds, have lower outputs when those mountains are scalped off by several hundred feet--- and, it's on public land! I keep saying that THIS is not capitalism. You cannot have the Money running things in capitalism...
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Re: Inequality in America - How we arrived where we are / whats your opinion?
« Reply #119 on: February 25, 2013, 04:16:30 AM »
Yawn
If ya can see it ya can hit it !