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POLITICAL PARTIES
« on: February 14, 2013, 09:57:44 PM »
Soap Box oratory.
I think the ideas of parties has run its course. They have now become stronger than the people they were elected to represent. They represent a party--not people. Who owns the party ? They are now corporate empires who are out for the views of a few who direct them.
Anyhow---I got no clue to changing----I just wanted to aim you folks that is smart at the correct target.
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« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2013, 10:51:10 PM »
It's so ingrained in us to vote against as opposed to for someone, there's little chance to turn things around. Party politics is the culprit that's got us into this mess, and is keeping us there. We are like an drunk. We have to bottom out before recovery. I think were are darn close, but like just a wee bit. The way I see it anyway ;)
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« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2013, 12:10:38 AM »
  The "parties" have been "partying" too long at the people's expense...  Still; the people of like mind must have a rallying point to coalesce around..lest all their concerns & efforts simply dissapate into the ether.
   At present, one group which is outside the two party system and doing a lot to preserve our constitution (at this moment, heavily involved in the gun rights cause)..is the Tea Party.
  Amazingly I hear some who call themselves "conservatives" denigrating the Tea Party..   I have heard complaints about the Tea Party, but few if any have been specific and legitimate, but for the most part were petty name-calling.
  No organization is going to please everybody down to the last "jot & tittle", but if a vehicle to carry conservative, constitutional values is available, why not ride that horse..unless or until it runs off the track?
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« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2013, 01:56:05 AM »
I believe it is time for a third party . One that is responsible to the people not corps. But will the people support a party ?
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« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2013, 02:29:49 AM »
I believe it is time for a third party . One that is responsible to the people not corps. But will the people support a party ?
Id love  to  see a  third  party , but  in  reality  I  dont  think  it  will  ever get  off  the  ground without  a  complete  collaspe  of  the  government.

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« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2013, 02:36:22 AM »
that could be true but both the dem. and rep parties have been hijacked to a point leaving those in the middle ground ripe for the picking .
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« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2013, 03:51:50 AM »
The problem is that party's  do not represent the people and up hold the Constitution, they all have there own agenda and a lot of the agenda is filling their pocket with our money.  Then there are the people that vote them in because they will get a small slice of the pie so they sell their vote and the people that just vote party line. I can't come up with a fix as greed is a powerful thing.
Making all campaign contributions go to a general account then equally distribute it to all recognized candidates may help remove some of the corruption.
 
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2013, 04:27:28 AM »
It's time we had a second political party in the US. Now that the republicans are gone, and the democrats are the only ones that can do anything, there is an opportunity.

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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2013, 05:56:58 AM »
     We do have 2  political parties and I really dont gravitate to either, however I can say without any reservation I could never be a L wing Democrat!!  Jim

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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2013, 06:19:10 AM »
not really we have 1 and 2 , 1/2's .
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2013, 10:50:34 AM »
I believe it is time for a third party . One that is responsible to the people not corps. But will the people support a party ?

No they will not. Party before principle is alive and well. Jorge Bush, Juan McAmnesty and Mitt Obamney are perfect examples that we haven't learned our lesson yet.
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« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2013, 12:16:59 AM »
It seems to me to be an over simplification for each state to have its own Party.
Perhaps--too simple it would not work.
I think we are stuck with party's.
Seems like minded folks are the answer but they tend to be controlled.
What the Hay---what we really need is/are statesmen rather than politicians.
End of my rose colored glasses and back to reality or worldlyness.
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« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2013, 01:24:25 AM »
  I think William is right... like it or not, we are stuck with "parties"..that is the only way energies can be directed, otherwise we are just running around like so many chickens with their heads off.  We saw that in the debates here (between conservatives) running up to the last election.
   We need a revolution in the Republican party..the old, outdated Rinos have to go!  We don't need the old "country club" set..Obama can have them, he hangs out around the country club a good share of the time anyway.  We must make way for the constitutionalists.  Right now, they only organized group truly supporting the constitution is the TP!
  The Reps and Dems have virtually written the constitution off..    See my post under political talk...on the "Young Turks"..
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« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2013, 03:50:35 AM »
The last time I looked, there were a whole plethora of political parties.  However, I guess we're talking about the two major parties.  It hasn't been that long since the talk was about how desirable it is to have diversity within the parties.  Well, when you have diversity (as in the "big tent") you have a lot of different opinions.  In my book that is not a bad thing; as long as the party in question sticks fairly well to its tenets and holds the Constitution in high regard.


It isn't the Republican Party that has gone off the rails and flat out has no respect for the Constitution, or law; it is the Dumycrat Party that won't even do a little thing like pass a federal budget.  It is the Dumycrat Party that wants to ignore the Bill of Rights.  And it is the Dumycrat Party that has never met a tax that it didn't like.  That's not to say that there aren't squishy Republicans, but compared to the communist inspired Dumycrats, the wayward Republicans are pikers.


The Tea Party needs to put its efforts into reform within the Republican Party and not become a separate "third party."  Party politics are never going away and the only thing worse is what you get when there are no dominant parties.  To govern effectively, there must be something close to majority consensus--as much as is practically possible anyway.  In many countries, the best they can obtain is very loose coalitions that fall apart at the drop of a hat.


Our last election should have been a wake up call to all thinking Americans that we are dangerously close to slipping headlong into the next phase of democracy, which in fact will be nothing like what we have known.  That's right, from where we are right now, it's a very short step into virtual communism.  As a matter of fact, with a dedicated communist already in place as the executive of our government, it's freaking scary.



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« Reply #14 on: February 16, 2013, 04:01:59 AM »
From Magooch;
            " The Tea Party needs to put its efforts into reform within the Republican Party and not become a separate "third party." 
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  I agree completely with that!  The old Republican party needs to be reformed from the inside.  They have to retire the Rinos and those who would try to be "Democrat light" ..as many of them have become.
   I really don't care if they call it the Republican party, the Tea Party, The Constitution party or the bull Moose party..so long as they shed the dead weight and start embrasing smaller government and the constitution.
  Yes, there are smaller parties such as the Constitution Party etc  which would need change very little.. the Libertarians could gain some real clout by such an amalgam.  Surely there are enough decent, mainstream, Bill-of-Rights people to counter the mixed batch of misfits from which the Democrat party is formed !..
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« Reply #15 on: February 17, 2013, 02:53:07 PM »
From Magooch;
            " The Tea Party needs to put its efforts into reform within the Republican Party and not become a separate "third party." 
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  I agree completely with that!  The old Republican party needs to be reformed from the inside.  They have to retire the Rinos and those who would try to be "Democrat light" ..as many of them have become.
   I really don't care if they call it the Republican party, the Tea Party, The Constitution party or the bull Moose party..so long as they shed the dead weight and start embrasing smaller government and the constitution.
  Yes, there are smaller parties such as the Constitution Party etc  which would need change very little.. the Libertarians could gain some real clout by such an amalgam.  Surely there are enough decent, mainstream, Bill-of-Rights people to counter the mixed batch of misfits from which the Democrat party is formed !..




Some of us!.............Quite a few actually have known this for some time and tried our best to make the rest in the Republican voting pool see this.Why do you think Ron Paul pulled the support he did.Some are waking up. Just not enough, soon enough.Ron Paul types are what's needed in the Republican party.  Folks like the Barry Goldwater's and Larry Johnson's.People who not only mention the Constitution when running, but actually follow it when elected.
The party leaders don't want it to change in that direction.Only the voters can decide what direction the Republican party takes, and they have been playing follow the leader WAY to long imo!
When someone in the press asked Pat Buchanan why he left the Republican party he replied.........I didn't! It left me ;)
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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2013, 03:05:47 PM »
There will always be the top two parties. Soon, one of them will NOT be the TP, the Bubs, nor any other party that far to the right. As soon as the right is fractured and factioned enough, the Dems will split into what they are now and a farther left version--- maybe a resurgence of the old Socialist Party. The extreme right has had its shot; it nearly destroyed the economy. How can the rightys expect everyone else to simply forget a 40 year road to oblivion? They won't. Time for the pendulum to swing back. It'll have a long way to swing before it heads back to the right.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2013, 03:14:11 PM »
From Magooch;
            " The Tea Party needs to put its efforts into reform within the Republican Party and not become a separate "third party." 
'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
 
  I agree completely with that!  The old Republican party needs to be reformed from the inside.  They have to retire the Rinos and those who would try to be "Democrat light" ..as many of them have become.
   I really don't care if they call it the Republican party, the Tea Party, The Constitution party or the bull Moose party..so long as they shed the dead weight and start embrasing smaller government and the constitution.
  Yes, there are smaller parties such as the Constitution Party etc  which would need change very little.. the Libertarians could gain some real clout by such an amalgam.  Surely there are enough decent, mainstream, Bill-of-Rights people to counter the mixed batch of misfits from which the Democrat party is formed !..


one thing  worse then  drugs   is drug laws
one thing worse than the ''parties''  would be the laws to prevent them


if enough people can ban together and create a via party??
why  can't they  just take  over an existing  party....seems like  only half the effort


the democratic party  needs to be dead and burried
 before i will leave the republicans again for a hopeless third party no matter how good they are


the primaries  is where you vote for the best man
the general election  is where we need to stop the democrats
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2013, 03:22:26 PM »
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The extreme right has had its shot; it nearly destroyed the economy. How can the rightys expect everyone else to simply forget a 40 year road to oblivion?

 
You gotta be kidding me......Let the kool aide flow!
 
I suppose there are those that believe if you repeat a lie long enough it will be true.
 
I believe fully that the two parties are wholly responsible for what has happened to the economy of this country because they will not stop spending.
 
The current regime wont even submit a budget, now explain destroying the economy again. This is laughable
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« Reply #19 on: February 17, 2013, 03:29:59 PM »
I believe it is time for a third party . One that is responsible to the people not corps. But will the people support a party ?
OK I say we start a 3rd party for the democrats / Green party and do to them what they have done to the conservitives with third parties to win ellections.  The Great Bill Clinton only had 43% of the popular vote and would have lost the ellection if you consider that 57% of the population voted against him and for a conservitive. 
Maybe we can get the country back from the lefties if we support a full blown lefty for a 3rd party  call it the Democratic people's party.  And talk some half wit like Kerry or gore into running.

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« Reply #20 on: February 17, 2013, 04:05:11 PM »
Since both factions of the right together are less than 30% of the registered voters, the resurgence of the conservatives is unlikely, especially since the right's idea of enticing the independents is to simply keep repeating the same garbage they've spouted for 40 years. The same garbage that not only failed the middle class, but killed the economy.
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2013, 04:16:33 PM »
Since both factions of the right together are less than 30% of the registered voters, the resurgence of the conservatives is unlikely, especially since the right's idea of enticing the independents is to simply keep repeating the same garbage they've spouted for 40 years. The same garbage that not only failed the middle class, but killed the economy.
When polled 55% of the people identafy themselves as conservitive and only 30% as liberals.
The same old garbage is comming from the left.
They keep telling the same lies since the 1917 revolution and we all know that socialism and communism does not work and will not work. Look at Cuba that is now going capitalist to make the economy work.  And hte left holds the communist Cuba up as the roll model.
 

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« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2013, 04:44:10 PM »
Since both factions of the right together are less than 30% of the registered voters, the resurgence of the conservatives is unlikely, especially since the right's idea of enticing the independents is to simply keep repeating the same garbage they've spouted for 40 years. The same garbage that not only failed the middle class, but killed the economy.

So....you must believe that repeating lies will make them true.
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« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2013, 04:52:02 PM »
Only FauxNews has anything like your numbers.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

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« Reply #24 on: February 17, 2013, 04:52:42 PM »
Since both factions of the right together are less than 30% of the registered voters, the resurgence of the conservatives is unlikely, especially since the right's idea of enticing the independents is to simply keep repeating the same garbage they've spouted for 40 years. The same garbage that not only failed the middle class, but killed the economy.

So....you must believe that repeating lies will make them true.
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« Reply #25 on: February 17, 2013, 05:44:11 PM »
Only FauxNews has anything like your numbers.
Liberals are still seen as a bad thing so when polled you will have Democrats and die hard democrats identfy themselfs as conservitive.  Most see a Conservitive Democrat as a moderate.  But will identfy themselves as Conservative but still vote Democrat for a single issue.

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« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2013, 01:42:40 AM »
     Some of you left leaning Democrats please tell me what your leader has done good for the country!!   Not something he has done for his party, himself, and 1/2 of the people of his own race, he has lied about everything he has said, cut the deficit in half, reduce enemployment, lower medical cost, reduce taxes, secure the boarder, all lies and no one can say it isnt.  This man is a joke a discrace to his race and they cant see it, he uses them just like he is using all the victim of anything happening, you die hard supporters should be able to get rich writing books on the great deeds he hasnt done for the COUNTRY not himself or party.  Jim

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« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2013, 02:50:32 AM »
Quote from jhm:
"Some of you left leaning Democrats please tell me what your leader has done good for the country!!


I listed a number of things on a recent thread on this subject.
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« Reply #28 on: February 18, 2013, 04:45:07 AM »
Things Obama does that are good never get inside the bubble.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

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« Reply #29 on: February 18, 2013, 10:47:06 AM »
name  a good democrat


the  explain  why  he is not prez  nd obumer  is

when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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