Dad kills drunk driver who killed his kids.

[Dee]

cobanzo, How do you know it was IN the road, and not on the shoulder? How do you know it was in a curve, and not on a straight stretch of roadway? How do you know it did, or didn't have it's lights on? How do you know the street they were on, wasn't well lit, verses dark?
How do you know that the father was doing ANYTHING illegal? Answer. You don't!

[corbanzo]

Dee - you are completely correct.


That is why I said what if, as none of us were there and none of us know all the exact details.  I was expressing the possibilities of the situation, which are many.


Either way the man and his family are no better off due to his actions. 


I'm not saying if I was in the same situation I would act differently.   Well, I would, I would probably kill the driver with my bare hands - but that is just me.  And my family would be worse off for my actions. 

[corbanzo]

Up here in AK a couple years ago a 19 year old girl hit and killed one person while texting.  She mean no malice, it was an accident.  An accident that was her fault.


Now a girl that made a mistake is going to spend years in jail (the court last fall rejected a plea deal for one year in jail).

[size=78%]Should she be dead for a mistake?  A young girl... made a mistake.. and now is going to be institutionalized and most definitely come out worse for it.  [/size]


In this case, a young man made a mistake, and paid the ultimate price.  But is it the fathers place to make that decision, not matter the details of the accident?




Dee I know you are a religious man - Is it the fathers choice to take the life of that boy?

[Dee]

The Father tells us to obey the law of the land, as long as it is a "just law", and is based on Biblical principle. The girl and the drunk driver, both were disobeying the "law of the land", and God's law.
God tells us not to be a wine bibber, or a partaker of strong drink giving our selves over to the devil. Which is to say, when we get drunk, we have surrendered our mental faculties to happen stance. We though saved, are not free of the consequences of our past sins or present sins. We will have eternal life with Christ, but we will pay our earthly consequences.
The girl knew the possibilities of texting while driving. She made a CHOICE, that cost someone else THEIR life. Now she is paying HER CONSEQUENCES. She will spend "years in jail". The victim will spend these same years "rotting in their grave", until Christ returns. Who paid the biggest price for her selfish CHOICE in doing what SHE WANTED TO DO? The obvious answer is the victim and his family.
The drunk driver didn't make a mistake. He made a CHOICE. A CHOICE that said: I don't give a damn about the law, and I don't give a damn about innocent people out there that I may hurt or kill. By god I WANT TO DRINK AND DRIVE. He killed two innocent children, injured their father, and devastated an entire family. He paid the price he should have paid. He got, what he gave. The wages of sin, is death.

[corbanzo]

You still never answered my question. I don't say the boy didn't deserve it.

But was it that mans choice wether he live or die?

[FPH]

Too bad the Dad just didn't bring a throw down gun.....maybe this whole mess could have been avoided.

[Dee]

Hell corbanzo, the father went and got his pistol. He finished what the drunk started. If the drunk instead had been shootin his own pistol off next door, killed the two boys, and wounded the father, would it have been a bad thing for the father to cap him just because the drunk ran out of shells?
When the 82nd Airborne had my son in Afghanistan once, and Iraq twice, I was fully aware of the Westboro Baptist Church protesters. I had made up my mind that if God decided that it was time for my son to come home, Westboro best not show up for the funeral, or I would test the leaders dedication to his cause. You do not act a fool, and kill a man's children, and expect to live.
Anyone here in my hometown that knows me, knows that if you hurt one of my family while drunk, or being stupid, that 'hell is comin to breakfast". They also know that I'm honest and fair, and recognize an accident when I see one. You can wring this one till all the water is out, but neither your girl story, or the drunk driver, was an accident. It wasn't a mistake. It was a CHOICE TO VIOLATE THE LAW, and do what they selfishly wanted to do. And both incidents cost OTHERS their lives, and their family suffering. If that girl had suffered the consequences, she'd still be texting and driving. I mean why not? And the drunk would still be drinkin and driving.
I have a close family member that is a convicted felon for DWI. He still drinks and drives. He doesn't care about you. He does what he wants to do, after a half dozen wrecks, two of which almost killed him, and two others.
Some of you guys need to wake up and see reality.

[corbanzo]

I see reality.


A man is going to go to jail and his family is going to lose him after already losing two boys because of his anger.


Another family has lost their son after doing nothing wrong.


I don't see how shooting somebody who is not posing a direct threat on anyone has a good outcome in the end. 




You talked about your son.... say he accidentally hit and killed someone, and their family shot him because their perceived him as a murderer - is that ok??  I'm sure this dad didn't go and breakalyze the guy, all he knew is that his kids were dead, and didn't care about the details. 


A man shot some kid that was in a car accident with his family.  That's the details we know for sure.

[Dee]

corbanzo, we're not gonna get anywhere with discussion. We're from two different worlds. Good day sir.

[corbanzo]

Yes sir.  I'm not saying I would react any different.. just saying there are two sides to every coin.

[williamlayton]

In this case there was one side to the coin.
Be careful out there.
Blessings

[FPH]

How do perscribed drugs elleviate your responsibility or immune you from a DUI.....not in TX.........I don't drive when I'm under the influence of a perscribed class III narcotic.....thankfully, that's not that often.

[yellowtail3]

This thread makes a good case for always carrying your weapon in the car with you, in case some jerk decides to murder you after an accident. He might think you're drunk, and so feel justified at taking what he views to be vengeance. Such people should be reasoned with... but as you're reasoning, keep hand on your weapon and shoot the SOB should he brandish a weapon. Shoot him several times, if needed. that's called self-defense, and is allowed under the law.


shooting someone in the head because you think the deserve it, when they're not a present threat to you, is just plain old murder. Some here have declared they'd be likely to do that. Be ready for them.

[Couger]

Whether the drunk killed them with a car, or killed them with a hammer, the kids are dead, and the parents had to watch. Like most drunk drivers, the drunk lives, and the victim dies. Well, in this case, JUSTICE "WAS" DONE, in my opinion. The injustice was charging a father for murder. In Texas, anytime an auto accident results in a death, or near death, the driver gets blood drawn to determine blood alcohol levels, so drunk is not a question here.
I say "accident" and that word does not apply here. The driver did not "accidentally" get into a car and drive drunk. The driver "intentionally" got in a car and drove drunk. For once, the drunk driver actually paid for his foul deed, the same price his victim paid. For what HE DID, not for what they DIDN'T DO.
An ex-cousin by marriage that I mentioned on a thread pertaining to this same event, stays drunk forty years after killing two young men on a motorcycle, while he was driving drunk. He learned "nothing", and got only 10 years "probation". He blames the cops for arresting him DWI. I have seen him very little but occasionally talk to family members and they mention him, as he and I used to be runnin buddies thru school, and for a few years before this event. He still drives drunk and is lookin for more victims to hit. He has wasted THREE lives. Theirs, and his. 

Well stated.
 
 
 

Yellowtail:  No what if's.  This guy was drunk period.  He deserved to be shot due to his stupidity.  One less drunk on the road to kill others.  I back the father all the way.  Justifiable Homocide in my book.

   Indeed!  One thing I've noticed about Texas justice in general, is that its almost ALWAYS fair!    Certainly was in this case. 

[yellowtail3]

One thing I've noticed about Texas justice in general, is that its almost ALWAYS fair!    Certainly was in this case. 

Texas is in the top two or three states for exonerations,  meaning... they convicted a lot of people wrongly, in the first place. What do you use as the yards stick for determining what is 'fair'? It wouldn't be satisfaction at seeing revenge taken against people you think oughta be shot would it? What?

More people have been exonerated in Texas by DNA testing, than in any other state (if rankings have changed, someone can chime in). Of course, we're only counting the prisoners who are still alive.

Upon what do you base your high estimation of 'Texas justice'?

... and now I'm gonna look forward to an articulate, well-reasoned reply...

[powderman]

DEE. Ever notice how some folks here always support the bad guy?? WOW, if he had been armed he could have killed the  Father too, and maybe the Mother and other kids, then pleaded not guilty, I was dunk and didn't know what I was doing. He was over 2X the legal limit in KY and somebody thinks HE should have been armed???  POWDERMAN. 

[corbanzo]

So the general consensus is that if people drink...  whatever they do....  they should be shot?


And just anybody can shoot them whatever they do because they are drinking?


That sounds civilized.


Judge jury executioner huh, just bypass that whole legal system we are all so proud of?


Well, what goes around comes around.  Next time somebody you know makes a mistake and it gets them shot...  you need to support the person that shot your loved one.

[Oldshooter]

("Well, what goes around comes around.  Next time somebody you know makes a mistake and it gets them shot...  you need to support the person that shot your loved one.")





Pard, all I know is that if something happened to my family like what happened to that shooter's family I would be hard pressed not to take the law in my hands. Don't make it right but do you think I would care at that point, what was legal, or just, or expedient , I think not!


I keep thinking after reading your posts , in every thread, that you have no interest in this forum except to agitate. Could you be a troll in leftist clothing.

[corbanzo]

Oh really?


Here is your situation.   From your wife's eyes.

Your two kids are dead.

Now, either the man who accidentally killed them dies and she loses her husband to jail, or the driver lives and goes to jail, and your wife keeps you.

Why don't you go ask your wife that exact question and see what she says.

Or keep being selfish.

[corbanzo]

Ask her...  If I took the law into my own hands, and murdered another man without giving him any shadow of a doubt, and went to jail the rest of my life leaving you all alone, would you love me the same?

I'm serious. Go ask her. Tell me what she says.

[Oldshooter]

I keep thinking after reading your posts , in every thread, that you have no interest in this forum except to agitate. Could you be a troll in leftist clothing.

[corbanzo]

Or tell your son.

Son, of you are in an accident and kill somebodies children, and you get shot, that's up to that dad, and I will be ok with that. You are dead because you accidentally killed somebody.

[corbanzo]

I'm agitated you think murder is ok.

I've got a boy with a car, he is young, I know it's possible for him to make mistakes.

Even the thought it would be ok to murder him because of a mistake doesn't sit right bud.   I don't know how in the hell it would with you.

[corbanzo]

You have a son? Tell your son that's ok with you.  Let me know how he reacts.

[powderman]

So the general consensus is that if people drink...  whatever they do....  they should be shot?


And just anybody can shoot them whatever they do because they are drinking?


That sounds civilized.

 
corbanzo. Now you're just stirring the pot, nobody here said that. POWDERMAN. 

[corbanzo]

Yellowtail:  No what if's.  This guy was drunk period.  He deserved to be shot due to his stupidity.  One less drunk on the road to kill others.  I back the father all the way.  Justifiable Homocide in my book.

Wassat you say??

[briarpatch]

I dont condon it in any way but this is not about a drunk man hitting kids. Its about a father that was pushed until he could not reason beyond what happened. It would not have mattered if the man had been drunk or not. The father saw the man as a blame.
The man paid for his decision to drink, the dad may for his decision to shoot. No judge on this earth will correct the situation.

[williamlayton]

YUP!
It is a done deal---but it will not be the last, certainly, it is not the first.
Blessings

[Brett]

I know they say that two wrongs don't make a right.  The drunk was wrong for driving drunk and the father was wrong for killing the drunk. However I do feel that the father has already payed a terrible price (the loss of his boys) plus he will have to live with the fact that he took another man's life for the rest of his life.  At worst I think he should be sentenced to a year or two of probation and have to perform some type of community service.

Very sad situation and a bad deal for all involved.

[SHOOTALL]

a drunk driver hit my son , son was not hurt so I had no reason to hurt the drunk but I wanted him punished , I wanted it so he would never drive again. If I were on a jury that heard this case it would be hard to convict the father . And the jury had that ablity to find not guilty even if he is