Author Topic: ? for u guys with .225 winchesters (Read 1233 times)

cudatruck · « **on:** February 22, 2013, 03:56:42 PM »

For those with re-chambered handi barrels to .225 winchester... would you do it again? I have a .223 with open sights ejector barrel that is giving me problems. thinking of having it rechambered and converting to extractor. Do you ever wish you had kept the .223? thanks Mike.

Dinny · « **Reply #1 on:** February 22, 2013, 05:19:51 PM »

Good question! I have always wanted one myself too. No experience, but I haven't ever heard any complaints.

Thanks, Dinny

cudatruck · « **Reply #2 on:** February 23, 2013, 09:44:01 AM »

I just don't want to make the jump and then find i really "need" a .223 and have to go buy another one.

Dinny · « **Reply #3 on:** February 23, 2013, 11:17:14 AM »

Quote from: cudatruck on February 23, 2013, 09:44:01 AM

I just don't want to make the jump and then find i really "need" a .223 and have to go buy another one.

I don't think that will be a problem you ever experience. Given that the .225 Win is predominately "reload only", you could always load to .223 levels.

Thanks, Dinny

jeepmann1948 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 23, 2013, 01:11:52 PM »

Personally I would use a 22-250. It is the cartridge that sent the 225 to the home of obsolete factory rounds, even though it is a good one.
The plus side of a 22-250 is factory barrels already available and ammo/ componets are too.
You might consider sending the 223 barrel and receiver back to the factory for repairs and while it is there add a 22-250 barrel.
i have repaired a lot of ejectors . By simply replacing a roll pin that is slightly longer than the original they work very well
Good Luck
George

Dinny · « **Reply #5 on:** February 23, 2013, 01:17:38 PM »

Quote from: jeepmann1948 on February 23, 2013, 01:11:52 PM

Personally I would use a 22-250. It is the cartridge that sent the 225 to the home of obsolete factory rounds, even though it is a good one.
The plus side of a 22-250 is factory barrels already available and ammo/ componets are too.
You might consider sending the 223 barrel and receiver back to the factory for repairs and while it is there add a 22-250 barrel.
i have repaired a lot of ejectors . By simply replacing a roll pin that is slightly longer than the original they work very well
Good Luck
George

22x307Win?

Thanks, Dinny

jeepmann1948 · « **Reply #6 on:** February 23, 2013, 01:33:47 PM »

Now a 22-307 will be a real wampus kitty. Check out the ballistics on a 22-243 or a 22-CHeetah! (would also burn the throat out pretty quick)
I load my Cheetah down to 4070 fps with a 60 grain Sierra HP.Trying to make the Shilen Stainless barrel last.
George

LaOtto222 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 24, 2013, 01:36:25 AM »

Quote from: jeepmann1948 on February 23, 2013, 01:33:47 PM

Now a 22-307 will be a real wampus kitty. Check out the ballistics on a 22-243 or a 22-CHeetah! (would also burn the throat out pretty quick)
I load my Cheetah down to 4070 fps with a 60 grain Sierra HP.Trying to make the Shilen Stainless barrel last.
George

If you can get the twist fast enough and use real long bullets, it would cut the fps down and make the barrel last even longer. A 22-6mm throws a 75 grain bullet in the 3400 -3500 fps range. A 80 grain bullet is in the 3300 - 3400 fps range. Of course it would have to be 1 - 8" or 7" twist.

Good Luck and Good Shooting

Catshooter45 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2013, 09:38:18 AM »

A 223 barrel was my first purchase here.

I right away had it re-chambered to 225 and have never looked back. For me the load I worked up with the 60 grain Nosler Partition at just over 3,200 fps does everything (so far) that I would want this caliber to do.

Might be different if I'd had a ton of 223 brass on hand, but I don't.

I'm also one of thos guys who thing that 'single shot' and 'rimmed' should go together. I also much prefer ejector.

Cat

knight0334 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2013, 09:46:44 AM »

I would do it again. I used a .22Hornet 1:12" barrel for mine. I should have picked up a 1:12" 24" .223 barrel to do it to have the extra 2" to get better use of the .225's powder charge.

They don't need fast twists because of their velocity - unless you shooting the 75+ grain bullets, especially those all copper bullets that are really long because of the less dense copper versus lead. In which with those really long bullets a 1:9" should work fine with the .225's velocities.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2013, 04:07:57 AM »

As time goes by we might be seeing more of those new-gen projectiles as the 'move away from lead' bites us. It might be a good idea to keep that in mind if building something. One does not go wrong in picking the next faster twist for a cartridge.

Ganjiro · « **Reply #11 on:** March 01, 2013, 09:22:51 AM »

Quote from: Catshooter45 on February 25, 2013, 09:38:18 AM

I'm also one of thos guys who thing that 'single shot' and 'rimmed' should go together. I also much prefer ejector.

Cat

Amen to that, rimmed cartridges much preferred on single and doubles here too, IMHO the 225 Winchester the perfect 22 for the Handi.
I have a stainless .223 Handi that I'm seriously considering reaming out to 225.

geezerbiker · « **Reply #12 on:** March 01, 2013, 12:25:24 PM »

I've been thinking of having my .223 Handi rechambered to .219 Donaldson Wasp. A couple years ago I got a bolt action .223 and my .223 Handi doesn't get shot as much... The Wasp is a step up from the .223 and is just plan 2x as cool in a single shot.

Anybody here shooting a .219 D.W.?

Tony

quickdtoo · « **Reply #13 on:** March 01, 2013, 12:56:24 PM »

Quote from: geezerbiker on March 01, 2013, 12:25:24 PM

I've been thinking of having my .223 Handi rechambered to .219 Donaldson Wasp. A couple years ago I got a bolt action .223 and my .223 Handi doesn't get shot as much... The Wasp is a step up from the .223 and is just plan 2x as cool in a single shot.

Anybody here shooting a .219 D.W.?

Tony

From previous discussions and confirmation with AmmoGuide, a 223 can't be rechambered to 219 DW, you'd have ta start with a Hornet barrel.

Tim

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Sorry, but based on your settings, you cannot ReChamber your .223 Remington (5.56mm NATO) firearm to .219 Donaldson Wasp because the case of the .219 Donaldson Wasp is too narrow at the top of shoulder.
Also, the case of the .223 Remington (5.56mm NATO) is too wide at the bottom of shoulder.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=233365.0

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=268593.0

LONGTOM · « **Reply #14 on:** March 01, 2013, 12:58:17 PM »

To be honest, either keep the 223 or get a 22-250.
Ammo is far easier to get, and a lot more choices.
Don't get me wrong, I love my 225s.
I have 2 Win 24" model 70s, a 22" Win model 670, a 24" Handi done on an old 22 jet barrel, a custom 26" Bullberry TC heavy barrel and my pride is an old Remington model 30S Express with a custom 28" Pacnor #5 heavy sporter barrel.
The custom Rem will keep 5 factory under a dime about any time, the 2 model 70s will do almost as good, I have never used the 670, the TC barrel will keep 4 under a dime but always throws 1 out to about a quarter and the Handi doesn't like factory at all.
Brass is getting harder to find since Win dropped production and have heard that factory ammo ain't far behind.
I load a Sierra 52 gr BTHP over BLC2 powder for the Rem and it will cut 1 ragged hole at 150 with 5 shots on a very calm day, both for the wind and me!

Not hard to top 250 factory speeds and the 223 ain't even close but those two are hard rounds to beat in the field.
The 250 and the 225 both have better range and are flatter shooting but I have also made my share of 400 yd + shots on groundhogs with the 223 out of an old 21" TC Contender.
The 225 is a great round and the rim is just an added bonus.

LONGTOM

cudatruck · « **Reply #15 on:** March 01, 2013, 04:11:18 PM »

I re load for everything we shoot so thats not a problem as long as i could get brass. the .223s only advantage i see is cheap ammo available but it looks like i will have to load that for this barrel anyway. this barrel is givin me fits over ftf and failure to eject. adding the rim of the .225 should fix most of the problems and converting to extractor should be the fix. it is the light one with sights and only 20 or 22 inch. probably wouldn't load the .225 way up so i don't think it would be a problem. just trying to find a solution to the issues with this one.

gcrank1 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 01, 2013, 04:17:28 PM »

Man, thats painful......a gun that wont go off reliably and wont eject when it does........
For sure two different issues, but I would be wanting to not have it beat me by working them out rather than rechambering and maybe still having problems.

cudatruck · « **Reply #17 on:** March 01, 2013, 04:34:36 PM »

gcrank1, you are right of course, i have not invested the time to work the bugs out of this one. i bought it intending to just shoot cheap store bought ammo as a plinker. when that did not work out (and now the ammo shortage) i started thinking this might be a better way to go. I will need to fix the ejector or change to extractor and then carefully work out the ftf issues. was advised at first to try different brand ammo. they fired every time but then would not extract. if i cant get this one to fire every time with any factory ammo we pick up then i have to load custom rounds to make it work or limit to a certain brand of factory. defeats the purpose of this caliber for me. at that point i think the .225 would be more enjoyable.

geezerbiker · « **Reply #18 on:** March 01, 2013, 07:32:20 PM »

Quote from: quickdtoo on March 01, 2013, 12:56:24 PM

From previous discussions and confirmation with AmmoGuide, a 223 can't be rechambered to 219 DW, you'd have ta start with a Hornet barrel.

Tim

Quote
Sorry, but based on your settings, you cannot ReChamber your .223 Remington (5.56mm NATO) firearm to .219 Donaldson Wasp because the case of the .219 Donaldson Wasp is too narrow at the top of shoulder.
Also, the case of the .223 Remington (5.56mm NATO) is too wide at the bottom of shoulder.

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=233365.0

http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php?topic=268593.0

Bummer. I suppose I'll leave it as a .223. I'm not sure if it's new enough to send in for another barrel either or I might go .25-06 with it...

I brought home a new H&R shotgun today and now just what I needed, a reason to go out and get another one...

Tony

nanuk-O-dah-Nort · « **Reply #19 on:** March 02, 2013, 09:00:07 PM »

Quote from: cudatruck on March 01, 2013, 04:11:18 PM

....it is the light one with sights and only 20 or 22 inch. probably wouldn't load the .225 way up so i don't think it would be a problem. just trying to find a solution to the issues with this one.

I have one of those also, and wonder how the 225 would work in such a short barrel.....