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« on: February 24, 2013, 03:25:34 AM »
Mmmmmmm,,,,Apparently Iranians don't take kindly to bank fraud.! In the USA we have the opposite situation,,,,banksters and fraudsters are bailed out, and given a bonus--get a new job doing same thing.....fyi...TM7
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Iran to Execute 4 Bankers on Fraud Charges
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 February 22, 2013
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Source: Weath Wire
Iran's judiciary system recently worked through the biggest banking fraud case in the nation's history.
According to The New York Times, the outcome of the case was made official on Monday. Results were dramatic to say the least.
Judiciary spokesman Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei told reporters that four people had been officially sentenced to death on charges of corruption and “disrupting the country's economic system.”
The guilty party was responsible for mishandling $2.6 billion of funds – using forged documents in order to receive credit from banks, permitting them to purchase state-owned companies.
From PressTV:

According to the indictment, the owners of Aria Investment Development Company, which is at the center of the controversy, had bribed bank managers to get loans and letters of credit. The company has more than 35 offshoots which are active in diverse business activities.
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The four are Mahafarid Amir-Khosravi…[the prime suspect], Behdad Behzadi, his legal advisor, Iraj Shoja, his financial solicitor and Saeed Kiani Rezazadeh, head of the Ahvaz branch of Saderat Bank,” he [Gholam-Hossein Mohseni-Ejei] said.

Additionally, the president of the Bank Melli branch in Kish was condemned to life in prison. The former deputy minister Khodamorad Ahmadi has been ordered to spend a decade in prison as well, according to Iran's attorney general, Mohseni-Ejei.
Several others involved in this infamous scandal have also been slapped with heavy fines and many have also been prohibited from holding public office.
Economist Nouriel Roubini added his two cents on the subject, reporting to Bloomberg:
 
 
“Bankers are greedy; they’ve been greedy for the last hundreds of years...t’s not a question if they are more immoral today then they were a thousand years ago, you have to make sure they behave in ways in which you minimize those risks.”
***This message surely hits a little too close to home for central bankers across the globe who have been engaged with fraud and corruption in the past or present.
Constituents and political leaders spend a big chunk of time debating over how to deal with our crumbling economy. Ending system abuse from insiders and the Fed alike would undoubtedly have a positive ripple effect, but how is that goal going to be achieved? ***Thus far, not a single chief central banker has been arrested in light of the financial crisis.

This is completely asinine.
They keep making more money, while we struggle to thrive in the middle class. The brutal truth is that banks prosper when people are on welfare. They're invested in keeping you down and could care less about your American Dream.

Perhaps Iran is on to something by enforcing real consequences when insiders mess with the country's entire economic system. The death sentence decision is obviously harsh (Iran's justice system is pretty harsh in general). Alas, what's decided cannot be undone. They said they are trying to set an example.

Elite criminals shouldn't be treated differently than any other criminal; they should be prosecuted, not protected.
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 01:05:21 PM »
I know of about 400 bankers that DESERVE to be executed...
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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2013, 05:46:08 AM »
  Maybe they can stone them to death, along with the various women they have penned up.  Shucks; why not declare a national holiday..where volunteers can come from all over the Muslim world..bringing a stone to throw at the bankers and women?
 
   Seems I recall Jesus said something about who has a right to cast the first stone..
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2013, 07:21:19 AM »
Did He also say that in regards to thiefs? That is what they are and hanging them IMO is justified.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2013, 10:38:17 AM »
 
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I know of about 400 bankers that DESERVE to be executed...
         And, yet, you are against the death penalty for murderers.   Hmmm.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2013, 10:43:35 AM »
Hmmmmmmm
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2013, 10:48:21 AM »
CDQ you the man , I've been in business for over 20 years and only know a few bankers . Of course we have had the same working relationship for as long and they never found reason to drop us.  ;)
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2013, 11:26:12 AM »
Did He also say that in regards to thiefs? That is what they are and hanging them IMO is justified.
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  Yes; that was in regards to all sins..  Do you suppose Amadinijhad & the various mullahs in Iran are without any sin?
 
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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2013, 11:28:05 AM »
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I know of about 400 bankers that DESERVE to be executed...
         And, yet, you are against the death penalty for murderers.   Hmmm.
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  Next question;
  Is he also against the death penalty for little pre-born boys and girls ?
 
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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2013, 01:50:47 PM »
Pre-born= not a human being.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2013, 02:17:40 PM »
 
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Pre-born= not a human being.
           Not even the Roe v. Wade court would agree with that opinion.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2013, 02:19:15 AM »
Pre-born= not a human being.

So when is the egg of a human female and the sperm of a human male not human ? And also when were either dead if a new human came from the union ?
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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2013, 02:29:28 AM »
Didn`t take long for this conversation to take a left turn.  :)
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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2013, 04:32:32 AM »
Didn`t take long for this conversation to take a left turn.  :)

just want to understand their position with regard to their post.
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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2013, 05:49:17 AM »
Didn`t take long for this conversation to take a left turn.  :)
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Well not quite the case...,,, actually, it was IG starting again with the usual not trolling along, conflating the disscussion checking with those who purport to valuing human life yet not concerned with the killing 400 bankers.  That put me to wondering what their feelings are for 50,000,000 murdered Americans alone, in the last 40 years, with other issues not related to Iran legally dealing with their criminal bankers in the OP, and trying to go off topic,(mods take note)  Boo Hoo..me cry to mods..sniff, sniff.,,,i.e. by the measures of their system. Demonizing Iran or moosilimbs is a fulltime advocation of IG and a few others in the ranks of the FCR.  Wrong again! Not demonizing Iran....just pointing out the evil of their leadership.  Not demonizing Mooslimbs in general..just those who try to evangelize with guns, bombs and beheading knives..
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 Post #2 simply relates the facts that in contrast not one American white collar criminal banker during our recent economic meltdown was prosectuted....Not my fault, where's Holders "justice dept been? ;) ;D .plenty of OWStreeters protestors were, union and labor leaders were and so on and endlessly demonized.   Act like demons, be treated like demons!Basically the Bush regime, a far right christian regime, (and BHO) had a hands off policy with corps and banking criminals...even essentially closing down the SEC.  The only exception was the Madoff swindler who's actions were so egregious, so over the top, plus most importantly accused of ripping off his 'own people'...that he finally got taken down. Meanwhile, those he swindled if lucky enough got bailed out, when truth be know their assets may well be hiddne in a certain country's banks_ _thanx to Bernie...!!... :o ... ::) I believe the banks should NOT have been bailed out..nor the dysfunctional auto companies...but BHO bailed out Government motors for the union's comfort.
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« Reply #15 on: March 06, 2013, 05:55:22 AM »
Pre-born= not a human being.
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    Don't tell that to me, tell it to God when you meet Him.  ...And you WILL meet him, whether you wish to or not!
 
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« Reply #16 on: March 06, 2013, 06:21:33 AM »
Did He also say that in regards to thief's? That is what they are and hanging them IMO is justified.
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  Yes; that was in regards to all sins..  Do you suppose Amadinijhad & the various mullahs in Iran are without any sin?
 
  Read John 8..before you criticize..

I don't have to read Peter Paul and Mary to know that the Bible recognizes that the Govt has the authority to arrest, try, convict and sentence lawbreakers.
 
Whether or not the above mentioned individuals are with or without Sin is completely irrelevant. Do you think Judges in any country including mine are sinless and therefore have no authority. ??
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« Reply #17 on: March 09, 2013, 12:51:08 AM »
  Nice try BBF;
   But I wasn't addressing you! Kindly note when I suggested that we would all face God, I was speaking directly to Chung, concerning his statement that the 50,000,000 little boys & girls murdered in the USA alone, over the last 40 years.
  Let me refresh your memory; read reply #16...
 
  BTW;  Just FYI..Mary didn't write any books! 
    ..Although she was quoted as remarking what a wonderful, God-given gift pregnancy is.
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« Reply #18 on: March 09, 2013, 02:13:19 AM »
Jesus only STRUCK someone else in one instance--- they were bankers. 'Nuff said.
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« Reply #19 on: March 09, 2013, 04:42:27 AM »
Jesus only STRUCK someone else in one instance--- they were bankers. 'Nuff said.
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  Quite obvious you don't know your Bible very well, if you think the "money changers" are the ONLY ones he was furious with.
  He also was disgusted with liars, drug users, homosexuals, the Arab neighbors who worship false gods, abortionists, cursing, drunks, evolutionists and others who deny the truth of scripture, exorbitant tax collectors (like some of today's politicians) and those who would deny His diety. etc, etc..
 
   In just how much of the above list do YOU defy Jesus?
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« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2013, 04:48:50 AM »
Jesus didn't like money changers, bankers, and system predators.  He and the Ancient Christians were against 'interest' banking...the root of all evil.....similar to the formal Shariaistas of today.
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   He also was opposed to the Sicarii (suicide murderers),  He also had great distrust and distain for those who mistreat women, in particular..those who stone women to death.  Beheading was not in His lexicon.
   The OT is full of references to "the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob"..  The NT also has the following references to "the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob"
     Matt 8:11
    Luke 13:28
     Acts 3:13
     Acts 7:32
 
   Yet, there is no mention of "the God of Abraham and Ishmael" in either the OT or the NT..
  In fact, there is no mention ,at all of Ishmael in the NT ..which is the covenant between Jesus and His people.
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  So TM, since you want to cite the Bible ..are you going contrary to what Jesus said in the Bible?
 
   Or are you just using the Bible cafeteria style? 
        " I want some of that..and that..but I don't like the taste of that or that, so I won't take any"... ;) :D
 
 
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« Reply #21 on: March 09, 2013, 05:15:32 AM »
Jesus only STRUCK someone else in one instance--- they were bankers. 'Nuff said.
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  Quite obvious you don't know your Bible very well, if you think the "money changers" are the ONLY ones he was furious with.
  He also was disgusted with liars, drug users, homosexuals, the Arab neighbors who worship false gods, abortionists, cursing, drunks, evolutionists and others who deny the truth of scripture, exorbitant tax collectors (like some of today's politicians) and those who would deny His diety. etc, etc..
 
   In just how much of the above list do YOU defy Jesus?


Extrapolating quite a bit, here, no? (He still only HIT the money changers., and Jesus himself never mentioned homosexuals, drugs, nor abortion--- you're just reading into your own book whatever you want.)
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« Reply #22 on: March 09, 2013, 05:47:38 AM »
Jesus only STRUCK someone else in one instance--- they were bankers. 'Nuff said.
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  Quite obvious you don't know your Bible very well, if you think the "money changers" are the ONLY ones he was furious with.
  He also was disgusted with liars, drug users, homosexuals, the Arab neighbors who worship false gods, abortionists, cursing, drunks, evolutionists and others who deny the truth of scripture, exorbitant tax collectors (like some of today's politicians) and those who would deny His diety. etc, etc..
 
   In just how much of the above list do YOU defy Jesus?


Extrapolating quite a bit, here, no? (He still only HIT the money changers., and Jesus himself never mentioned homosexuals, drugs, nor abortion--- you're just reading into your own book whatever you want.)
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  Not at all; you are simply using the old liberal's trick of "spin"..
    First of, Jesus endorses all the Bible, OT and NT.. What is written there is as good as His own testimony..  You had better "brush up"..
 
  Homosexuals; see...(Romans 1:24-30) 
     
    Homosexuals were considered to be "dogs" ..which were held in very low esteem:

    " 17“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute. 18“You shall not bring the hire of a harlot or the wages of a dog into the house of the LORD your God for any votive offering, for both of these are an abomination to the LORD your God"  (Deut 23:17&18)
 
   Abortion; see.. " Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for those about to be crushed"  (Proverbs 31: 8)  Then there are Jesus' own words:
   
    From (Matthew 18) ...2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
               5“And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
       Further more; When Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me"..I doubt He considered the way you and the "abortionaires" (millionaire abortionists) have in mind.. ;) ;D :'( .
 
    Drugs; see..
  (Deut 18:4)           (2 Kings 17:17)        (Lev 19:26)      (Numbers 23:23)        (Numbers 24:1)    (Galatians 5:19,20) and (Rev 18:23)
   All of these passages mention "sorcery" which also includes drugs, potions and smoke inhalation..
 
  Chung...you simply must learn more before you decide to attempt to use scripture to justify immorality. 
     Of course, if you were to truly study the Bible, you may get saved..then you would not find a need to justify immorality! ;) ;D ;D   
 
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« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2013, 06:22:14 AM »
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     Of course, if you were to truly study the Bible, you may get saved..then you would not find a need to justify immorality!       


Well said IG.   I'll pray for Chung as I do for the president and all the unsaved.
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« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2013, 12:35:37 PM »
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His quarrel was with your people, and your people's quarrel is with everybody.

 
 
 
So, Christ had a problem with Christians?  Very odd.  Well, at least your meter is working.  That post just about broke it.
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« Reply #25 on: March 09, 2013, 01:11:47 PM »
Jesus only STRUCK someone else in one instance--- they were bankers. 'Nuff said.
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  Quite obvious you don't know your Bible very well, if you think the "money changers" are the ONLY ones he was furious with.
  He also was disgusted with liars, drug users, homosexuals, the Arab neighbors who worship false gods, abortionists, cursing, drunks, evolutionists and others who deny the truth of scripture, exorbitant tax collectors (like some of today's politicians) and those who would deny His diety. etc, etc..
 
   In just how much of the above list do YOU defy Jesus?


Extrapolating quite a bit, here, no? (He still only HIT the money changers., and Jesus himself never mentioned homosexuals, drugs, nor abortion--- you're just reading into your own book whatever you want.)
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  Not at all; you are simply using the old liberal's trick of "spin"..
    First of, Jesus endorses all the Bible, OT and NT.. What is written there is as good as His own testimony..  You had better "brush up"..
 
  Homosexuals; see...(Romans 1:24-30) 
     
    Homosexuals were considered to be "dogs" ..which were held in very low esteem:

    " 17“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute. 18“You shall not bring the hire of a harlot or the wages of a dog into the house of the LORD your God for any votive offering, for both of these are an abomination to the LORD your God"  (Deut 23:17&18)
 
   Abortion; see.. " Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for those about to be crushed"  (Proverbs 31: 8)  Then there are Jesus' own words:
   
    From (Matthew 18) ...2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
               5“And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
       Further more; When Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me"..I doubt He considered the way you and the "abortionaires" (millionaire abortionists) have in mind.. ;) ;D :'( .
 
    Drugs; see..
  (Deut 18:4)           (2 Kings 17:17)        (Lev 19:26)      (Numbers 23:23)        (Numbers 24:1)    (Galatians 5:19,20) and (Rev 18:23)
   All of these passages mention "sorcery" which also includes drugs, potions and smoke inhalation..
 
  Chung...you simply must learn more before you decide to attempt to use scripture to justify immorality. 
     Of course, if you were to truly study the Bible, you may get saved..then you would not find a need to justify immorality! ;) ;D ;D   
 


Wow! Talk about a spin doctor! Where is the glossary you used to jump to the conclusion that sorcery means all those things? And the story of the little children does not mention abortion. That story is where he was telling the adults to get out of the way and let the kids come down to the front, nothing more, and certainly a different message than what you read into it. Oh, and Jesus didn't say ANYTHING in Deuteronomy.
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« Reply #26 on: March 09, 2013, 01:48:08 PM »
Jesus only STRUCK someone else in one instance--- they were bankers. 'Nuff said.
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  Quite obvious you don't know your Bible very well, if you think the "money changers" are the ONLY ones he was furious with.
  He also was disgusted with liars, drug users, homosexuals, the Arab neighbors who worship false gods, abortionists, cursing, drunks, evolutionists and others who deny the truth of scripture, exorbitant tax collectors (like some of today's politicians) and those who would deny His diety. etc, etc..
 
   In just how much of the above list do YOU defy Jesus?


Extrapolating quite a bit, here, no? (He still only HIT the money changers., and Jesus himself never mentioned homosexuals, drugs, nor abortion--- you're just reading into your own book whatever you want.)
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  Not at all; you are simply using the old liberal's trick of "spin"..
    First of, Jesus endorses all the Bible, OT and NT.. What is written there is as good as His own testimony..  You had better "brush up"..
 
  Homosexuals; see...(Romans 1:24-30) 
     
    Homosexuals were considered to be "dogs" ..which were held in very low esteem:

    " 17“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute, nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult prostitute. 18“You shall not bring the hire of a harlot or the wages of a dog into the house of the LORD your God for any votive offering, for both of these are an abomination to the LORD your God"  (Deut 23:17&18)
 
   Abortion; see.. " Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for those about to be crushed"  (Proverbs 31: 8)  Then there are Jesus' own words:
   
    From (Matthew 18) ...2He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
               5“And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me.
       Further more; When Jesus said, "Let the little children come to me"..I doubt He considered the way you and the "abortionaires" (millionaire abortionists) have in mind.. ;) ;D :'( .
 
    Drugs; see..
  (Deut 18:4)           (2 Kings 17:17)        (Lev 19:26)      (Numbers 23:23)        (Numbers 24:1)    (Galatians 5:19,20) and (Rev 18:23)
   All of these passages mention "sorcery" which also includes drugs, potions and smoke inhalation..
 
  Chung...you simply must learn more before you decide to attempt to use scripture to justify immorality. 
     Of course, if you were to truly study the Bible, you may get saved..then you would not find a need to justify immorality! ;) ;D ;D   
 


Wow! Talk about a spin doctor! Where is the glossary you used to jump to the conclusion that sorcery means all those things? And the story of the little children does not mention abortion. That story is where he was telling the adults to get out of the way and let the kids come down to the front, nothing more, and certainly a different message than what you read into it. Oh, and Jesus didn't say ANYTHING in Deuteronomy.
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  Again; you are showing your unfamiarity with Biblical studies
  Vine's expository dictionary explains it quite succinctly;
 
     Vine's Dictionary brings this into perspective with the following:
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 SORCERY: >"Pharmakeia" (Eng., pharmacy etc.) primarily signified the use of medicine, DRUGS, SPELLS; then, POISONING; then, SORCERY, Galatians 5:20, R.V., "sorcery" (A.V., "witchcraft"), mentioned as one of "the works of the flesh." See also Rev. 9:21; 18:23
In the Septuagint (the Greek translation of the Old Testament ca. 200 B.C.), Ex. 7:11,22; 8:7, 18; Isa. 47:9,12
"In sorcery, the use of DRUGS, whether simple or potent, was generally accompanied by INCANTATIONS and appeals to OCCULT powers, with the provision of various charms, amulets, etc., professedly designed to keep the applicant or patient from the attention and power of demons, but actually to impress the applicant with the mysterious resources and powers of the sorcerer."
   More...
http://www.bible.ca/s-marijuana.htm
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  Here; look for yourself ..and LEARN.. http://www2.mf.no/bibelprog/vines.pl?tofrom=s
  The koine Greek word translated as sorcery was "phamakeia".. the basis for the title of our present day "pharmacy"..  Couldn't be a much clearer connection.
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  Then there is the abortion question;
  Proverbs showed how He wants the helpless, those who "can't speak for themselves" PROTECTED..
   The incident presented form Matt 18..simply shows Jesus' love for children..and is also presented in Mark & Luke.  Can't picture Him saying "if they are an inconvenience, just kill them"..
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  Oh Boy!  Then you come up with "Jesus didn't say anything in Deuteronomy".  Now, THERE IS an example of scriptural ignorance. 
    Just FYI...Jesus said ALL of Deuteronomy!!!  Jesus being God, dictated the very words to the inspired men who wrote them down.. ;)
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  No need to apologize.. just get busy and ... study up !!
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Iran to Execute Four 'Bankers"...
« Reply #27 on: March 09, 2013, 03:41:01 PM »
Some people's heads are in a place so deeply that their ears are covered.   :o And now Jesus is a time traveler...  ;D
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