30-30 vs 35 remington

[Oldshooter]

I have shot 30-30's since I could hold a rifle and like them(dont own one right this minute). I do own and shoot two 35 Rems. in Marlin 336 one in Stainless and an old blued one I drug out of a pawn shop close to here.
 
I never paid much attention to ballistics for the 30-30 but decided to reload for the 35's so naturally I paid attention to the stats. I was sure the 35 was a better stopper than the 30-30  but upon doing some investigation the 30-30 holds its own if not a better. MHO
 
30-30 = muzzle- 2400/2246                 100= 2150/1643   160gr ftx  24 "barrel
35 rem= muzzle= 2225/2198                100= 1963/1711   200gr ftx  24" barrel
 
per hornady factory lds
 
I personally still like the 35 remy.  Whats the consenus here? Are these even comparable? you hand loaders have any input?
 

[cwlongshot]

As a kid growing up THE rifle I wanted to own was a Marlin 336 chambered in 35 Remington! Today I have 6 different 35 Remington rifles and five 30-30 rifles. Guess I like them both.

Better... I like the 35 a little better, But I also prefer 35 calibers...

CW

[Oldshooter]

Thanks CW, I really thought the hevier bullet was really going to overcome the 30-30's velocity but I found them to be real close. how about reloads, is there any room for improvement for either.

[cwlongshot]

Thanks CW, I really thought the hevier bullet was really going to overcome the 30-30's velocity but I found them to be real close. how about reloads, is there any room for improvement for either.

Sure is!!

BOTH benifit form modern powders and both can be loaded a bit hotter. The 35 has a ''super'' version for some actions that will take the added pressures.  Making the super35 darn near a 358 in ballistics!

CW

[Oldshooter]

Hey is that possible in my Marlin SS 336. Thats interesting anyway.

[cwlongshot]

Hey is that possible in my Marlin SS 336. Thats interesting anyway.

The 336 will handle more then the win 1894 YES!

Back in the day Winchester brought out the BIG BORE with thicker receiver walls to reinforce the locking lug when chambered for the then new 375 Win, 307 Win and 356 Win chamberings. Marlin not wanting to be out done also sked production for all three calibers... the 307 never made it to production as it was deemed not worthy sales wise. But the 375 was offered in TWO models and the 356 is highly sought after. But the best thing is... Marlin did not have to do a thing to there gun to shoot these higher intensity calibers!! With careful loading prectices I am certain the Marlin 336 would be a safe platform to make some of these loadings.

Do a search over in the H&R area and use Tim AKA quickdtoo as a author and you will find data for the 35super to try. I think I have it too somewhere...



CW

[Oldshooter]

Thank you, I'll work on some loads and try em!
 
Great information

[336SC]

I own both 30-30 and 35 Remington chambered rifles.  I've never shot a deer with the 30-30 but have with the .32 Win Special, the 30-30's bigger cousin.  I've shot deer with the 35 Remington also and always "thought" the 35 Remington was the better killer.  However, after going over all the kills in my minds eye, if the deer is hit properly with either, you got winter meat.  Both are equally accurate when fed the right loads.  I have used the HDY FTX bullets to kill deer in both the .32 Win Special and the .35 Remington.  Again, both hit correctly and both were bang flops.  Personally, I just plain love .35 caliber chambered rifles as I own one .350 Mag, two .35 Whelens, three .358 Winchesters, four .35 Remingtons, and two .357 Mag chambered rifles.  If you run across me in the woods hunting deer, I'll probably be carrying one of the above rifles.  Then again I may have my hands wrapped around one of my 7mm-08's, one of my .308 Winchesters, one of my 30-06's, or my 7x57, my 6mm Rem, one of my three 30-30's, or one of my four .32 Win Specials!  Oh let me not forget one of my .270 Winchester rifles.  Oh my almost forgot about my four .300 Savage chambered rifles.  Oh my decisions, decisions.  Now I got a headache and gotta take a nap !
336SC

[mannyrock]

 
  But isnt' the .35 Remington dropping like a rock after 100 yards?   
 
   How high do you have to sight it in at 100 to make it dead on at  150 or 175?
 
  Mannyrock

[Oldshooter]

According to Hornady, their ftx gummies go 3" high at 100 and o" at 200.
 
Thats a 200 gr bullet. the only one they have listed for 35 Rem.

[BBF]

  But isnt' the .35 Remington dropping like a rock after 100 yards?   
 
   How high do you have to sight it in at 100 to make it dead on at  150 or 175?
 
  Mannyrock

Have a look at the trajectories for the Speer 180 and 220 gr bullets.

[FPH]

Why use those weights when comparing to a .30-.30?

[txpitdog]

I really like the Speer 180gr for the 35. It may be relatively light for caliber, but it punches through both sides no problem AND didn't fracture or explode when fired at 2900+ fps into a buck from my 35 Whelen.  In fact, it also went through a 6" sapling behind the buck.

I know these ol' leverguns can really shine with heavy bullets, but as soon as my Marlin 336er 356 win arrives, those are the first bullets I'm loading. 

[Oldshooter]

Why use those weights when comparing to a .30-.30?

Not sure what you mean but the heaviest bullet that hornady has for the 30-30 is 170 gr.

From what I can tell the 30 -30 only compares using the lighter bullet, with  the 150 gr bullet it's speed overcomes the 35's weight. If not overcome it makes it a competitor.


Hand loading may can make them more comparable. Cw posted some interesting loads for the 35 however. If those are possible in your firearm then the 35 may step away from the 30-30.