Libby teacher tell student to remove Marine T shirt, it has crossed rifles on it

[powderman]

Father wants school dress code changed after son asked to remove Marines T-shirt  By Joshua Rhett Miller
Published February 26, 2013
FoxNews.com     

•    Daniel McIntyre, of Genoa, Ill., told FoxNews.com that his 14-year-old son, Michael, was asked to remove this T-shirt during reading class at Genoa-Kingston Middle School on Monday. (Courtesy: Daniel McIntyre)

  An Illinois father wants a school district to reconsider its dress code after his son was asked to remove a U.S. Marines T-shirt or be suspended, FoxNews.com has learned.
Daniel McIntyre, 44, of Genoa, told FoxNews.com that his 14-year-old son, Michael, was asked to remove the T-shirt by eighth-grade teacher Karen Deverell during reading class at Genoa-Kingston Middle School on Monday. Deverell, citing the school’s dress code, said the garment’s interlocking rifles was problematic and had to be removed from sight, McIntyre said.
“My son is very proud of the Marines, and, in fact, of all the services,” McIntyre said. “So he wears it with pride. There are two rifles crossed underneath the word ‘Marines’ on the shirt, but to me that should be overlooked. It’s more about the Marines instead of the rifles.”

 

"This is not right. This policy that they have in place can obviously be loosely interpreted, so they need to change it.”

- Daniel McIntyre, father
McIntyre said his son was initially threatened with suspension before complying with Deverell’s request to turn it inside out. He has worn the T-shirt to school many times before without incident, McIntyre said.
“He was upset, he couldn’t understand it,” he continued. “He couldn’t understand why a teacher would make him do that.”
 
Brett McPherson, the school’s principal, referred questions to Genoa-Kingston Superintendent Joe Burgess, who reiterated that the shirt is not in violation of the district’s dress policy.
 
“We’ve been accused of a lot of things, but our middle school is well-known for its support of the armed forces,” Burgess told FoxNews.com. “That’s why this is so disheartening to all of us.”
Deverell did not inform school officials of the incident, Burgess said, adding that McPherson would have quickly determined the shirt to be a non-issue if consulted.
“Nobody took the next step of asking the principal or making them aware of it,” Burgess said. “The teacher is obviously allowed to question anything they feel might be a violation of dress code, but again, had an administrator been allowed to respond, this could have been taken care of yesterday.”
 
Students within the district are expected to wear clothing in a “neat, clean and well-fitting manner,” according to a copy of the policy, which was obtained by FoxNews.com. While addressing “violent behavior,” gang symbols and other inappropriate images, it does not explicitly ban images of guns and other weapons.
“Student dress (including accessories) may not advertise, promote, or picture alcoholic beverages, illegal drugs, drug paraphernalia, violent behavior, or other inappropriate images,” it reads. “Student dress (including accessories) may not display lewd, vulgar or obscene or offensive language or symbols, including gang symbols.”
 
Hats, bandannas and sunglasses are also banned inside the building. Students who violate the dress code will be asked to wear their gym uniform, it reads.
District officials, meanwhile, said its students are dutiful patriots who support U.S. troops as much as they can.
 
“The students and staff regularly write letters of support to the troops, and hold patriotic ceremonies for Veterans Day and Patriots' Day,” a statement obtained by FoxNews.com reads. “We very much support the armed forces and were disheartened to learn of this matter through the media. The administration and school handbook agree that this shirt is not a violation of the dress code. We also take school safety very earnestly and it needs to be recognized that is a topic that we also take very seriously and support our students and staff in providing a safe environment to learn, teach and work in on a daily basis.”
 
McIntyre said he believes the incident is likely an overreaction to recent mass shootings, particularly to the Dec. 14, 2012, massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in which 20 students and six staffers were killed after Adam Lanza killed his mother at their Connecticut home.
“I backed him up and he knows that,” McIntyre said of his son. “This is not right. This policy that they have in place can obviously be loosely interpreted, so they need to change it.”

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/02/26/father-wants-school-dress-code-changed-after-son-asked-to-remove-marines-t/#ixzz2M22oMvlP

[rwng]

I am not sticking up for this teacher but this PC BS that has poluted our country, has everyone so worried about doing something wrong, that they make stupid decisions.

[powderman]

With liberals like that educating our children it's no wonder America is so messed up. POWDERMAN. 

[SHOOTALL]

is it PC to confuse educating with brain washing ?

[Old Fart]

Do we know if it's the teacher's or the school's policy?
Sounded like school policy.
 
Okay I went and re-read it.
 
From my exposure to some of the schools around here, this line is rich.
“The teacher is obviously allowed to question anything they feel might be a violation of dress code, but again, had an administrator been allowed to respond, this could have been taken care of yesterday.”

[KIMBER45]

I know a lot of conservatives who would have done the same. We don't really know if she is a liberal or conservative, but for some it's more fun to label people a certain way.

[Casull]

I know a lot of conservatives who would have done the same.

 
 
 
I seriously doubt that.  If they would have done the same, these acquaintances of yours are NOT conservative.

[powderman]

Brett McPherson, the school’s principal, referred questions to Genoa-Kingston Superintendent Joe Burgess, who reiterated that the shirt is not in violation of the district’s dress policy.
 

 
OLD FART. Libby teacher, it did NOT violate policy.
CASULL. Good post Sir, and true. There oughta be a law against liberals teaching our children. POWDERMAN. 

[yellowtail3]

There oughta be a law against liberals teaching our children. POWDERMAN. 

Do your civic duty, Sir, and write your Congresscritter - "hey there, I'm a God-fearin' American, a patriot... I want to see a law enacted against libruls teeching in our skools!"

[Cheesehead]

There oughta be a law against liberals teaching our children. POWDERMAN. 

Do your civic duty, Sir, and write your Congresscritter - "hey there, I'm a God-fearin' American, a patriot... I want to see a law enacted against libruls teeching in our skools!"

The Constitution applies to everyone, including Libbys. Powderman does not like that. He wants to destroy the Constitution. He wants to destroy America. !

[powderman]

There oughta be a law against liberals teaching our children. POWDERMAN. 

Do your civic duty, Sir, and write your Congresscritter - "hey there, I'm a God-fearin' American, a patriot... I want to see a law enacted against libruls teeching in our skools!"

The Constitution applies to everyone, including Libbys. Powderman does not like that. He wants to destroy the Constitution. He wants to destroy America. !

 
CHEESEHEAD. On the contrary Sir, I want to prevent it. Liberals are destroying it now, just as they are destroying the minds and lives of our children. Where do you think all this PC crappola comes from?? LIBERALS. POWDERMAN. 

[Cheesehead]

"There oughta be a law"

More laws? That means more government! You sound EXACTLY like a libbydem!

You want to destroy the Constitution and our great country. 

What next, the second amendment...

[KIMBER45]

"There oughta be a law"

More laws? That means more government! You sound EXACTLY like a libbydem!

You want to destroy the Constitution and our great country. 

What next, the second amendment...

Good post sir. Powderman wants the world to fit his mold. If it doesn't- eliminate it. Same thinking as a nazi, communist and fundamentalist Muslim. 

[williamlayton]

The real problem is that we ALL have our liberal leanings---it is your objection that all have the same leanings that I have---that aint gonna happen.
I would stand a nd defend the thought that it was a very liberal concept that is written into the constitution that gives people the right to choose what they think and how they lean.
I would defend the thought that this teacher was ultra conservative because she wants folks to obey her thoughts above their own--Hitler did this.
You folks are messed up when it comes to understanding what liberal and conservative really is.
Blessings

[KIMBER45]

The real problem is that we ALL have our liberal leanings---it is your objection that all have the same leanings that I have---that aint gonna happen.
I would stand a nd defend the thought that it was a very liberal concept that is written into the constitution that gives people the right to choose what they think and how they lean.
I would defend the thought that this teacher was ultra conservative because she wants folks to obey her thoughts above their own--Hitler did this.
You folks are messed up when it comes to understanding what liberal and conservative really is.
Blessings

Excellent insight and well stated.   "I would defend the thought that this teacher was ultra conservative because she wants folks to obey her thoughts above their own". I agree. Just read what the ultra conservatives believe in this site . It's either their belief of it's wrong. There is no compromise or middle ground.

[powderman]

Liberals teach our kids that homosexuality is just a normal thing that should be embraced by all, instead of an abomination like God says it is.
Liberals teach our children that life is not sacred and that it's perfectly acceptable to murder a child if you don't want it, just another form of birth control, instead of telling them that it's a sin to murder.
 
Liberals see nothing wrong with premarital sex, go on, have fun, everybody does it so it's ok, God calls it fornication, another sin taught by liberals.
Liberals have had children suspended from school for having nerf GUNS, bubble guns, paper guns, pics of guns, even pointing a finger like a gun, and then there was the grenade attack where all a boy did was PRETEND to throw an imaginary one.
 
Liberal demand that God not be allowed in our schools, courtrooms, etc. Our nation was founded by Christians, not buddhists, pagans, wiccans, muslims, or any of the other godless cults. America was born and exists today because of the grace of God almighty, but liberals insist we not acknowledge him publicly.
 
Liberals like the teacher in this OP teach that not only are GUNS bad, but generally have a low opinion of our military because they use guns to defend their right to whine like babies.
 
Liberals teach that criminal invaders should be rewarded for their criminal behaviour and go to the head of the line of all those who have followed the rules and obeyed our laws to become American citizens. I could go on, and may later, but I don't want my childrens minds poisoned like this.  POWDERMAN. 

[Cheesehead]

Liberals teach our kids that homosexuality is just a normal thing that should be embraced by all, instead of an abomination like God says it is.
Liberals teach our children that life is not sacred and that it's perfectly acceptable to murder a child if you don't want it, just another form of birth control, instead of telling them that it's a sin to murder.
 
Liberals see nothing wrong with premarital sex, go on, have fun, everybody does it so it's ok, God calls it fornication, another sin taught by liberals.
Liberals have had children suspended from school for having nerf GUNS, bubble guns, paper guns, pics of guns, even pointing a finger like a gun, and then there was the grenade attack where all a boy did was PRETEND to throw an imaginary one.
 
Liberal demand that God not be allowed in our schools, courtrooms, etc. Our nation was founded by Christians, not buddhists, pagans, wiccans, muslims, or any of the other godless cults. America was born and exists today because of the grace of God almighty, but liberals insist we not acknowledge him publicly.
 
Liberals like the teacher in this OP teach that not only are GUNS bad, but generally have a low opinion of our military because they use guns to defend their right to whine like babies.
 
Liberals teach that criminal invaders should be rewarded for their criminal behaviour and go to the head of the line of all those who have followed the rules and obeyed our laws to become American citizens. I could go on, and may later, but I don't want my childrens minds poisoned like this.  POWDERMAN. 

You want to destroy our constitution and replace it with a your version of a theocracy, kinda like what they have in IRAN. This is America, love it or move to IRAN where you can execute anybody you disagree with. 

[powderman]

cheese. I see that you agree with all the libby stuff I said in my above post. I bet you voted for hussein both times. I'm glad you are not teaching my children. POWDERMAN. 

[KIMBER45]

Liberals teach our kids that homosexuality is just a normal thing that should be embraced by all, instead of an abomination like God says it is.
Liberals teach our children that life is not sacred and that it's perfectly acceptable to murder a child if you don't want it, just another form of birth control, instead of telling them that it's a sin to murder.
 
Liberals see nothing wrong with premarital sex, go on, have fun, everybody does it so it's ok, God calls it fornication, another sin taught by liberals.
Liberals have had children suspended from school for having nerf GUNS, bubble guns, paper guns, pics of guns, even pointing a finger like a gun, and then there was the grenade attack where all a boy did was PRETEND to throw an imaginary one.
 
Liberal demand that God not be allowed in our schools, courtrooms, etc. Our nation was founded by Christians, not buddhists, pagans, wiccans, muslims, or any of the other godless cults. America was born and exists today because of the grace of God almighty, but liberals insist we not acknowledge him publicly.
 
Liberals like the teacher in this OP teach that not only are GUNS bad, but generally have a low opinion of our military because they use guns to defend their right to whine like babies.
 
Liberals teach that criminal invaders should be rewarded for their criminal behaviour and go to the head of the line of all those who have followed the rules and obeyed our laws to become American citizens. I could go on, and may later, but I don't want my childrens minds poisoned like this.  POWDERMAN. 

Bin Laden couldn't have said it any better.

[guzzijohn]

Powderman,
Eyes wide open but they do not see. PW, you really do not appear to have a clue that what you say aligns you much closer to the group of people you claim to hate (Muslims) yet you want to model their ways of governing over our constitution. I don't get it and apparently neither do you. Sad.
GuzziJohn

[Cheesehead]

cheese. I see that you agree with all the libby stuff I said in my above post. I bet you voted for hussein both times. I'm glad you are not teaching my children. POWDERMAN. 

What a completely wrong and foolish statement. Nothing like a little guess work to redirect. How about giving me an example of the new teacher law you want. I can not wait. You are also the guy that professes some good old fashion book burnings? Where have is seen that in the history books?
 You really hate the Constitution. Move to Iran now.

Cheese

[Oldshooter]

I am liberal when I shoot at my rifle range.
I am conservative in my dress, I rarely like things written on my clothes.
I am liberal when I pray.
I am conservative where economics are concerned.
I am liberal concerning freedom of speech.
I am consevative when it comes to the constitution. I like the way it was written and think it should not be diluted or changed,
 
So basically I am confused as to what I am. 
 
But as to my opinion on the OP, the teacher, whatever she is, jumped the gun, and should have checked with the principle. This is not a big deal, everyone is a lil on edge, what with the gun grab and all going on. Lets tone down the rhetoric and so we can keep discussing this here.  Is that conservative or liberal? I am still confused.     

[KIMBER45]

I am liberal when I shoot at my rifle range.
I am conservative in my dress, I rarely like things written on my clothes.
I am liberal when I pray.
I am conservative where economics are concerned.
I am liberal concerning freedom of speech.
I am consevative when it comes to the constitution. I like the way it was written and think it should not be diluted or changed,
 
So basically I am confused as to what I am. 
 
But as to my opinion on the OP, the teacher, whatever she is, jumped the gun, and should have checked with the principle. This is not a big deal, everyone is a lil on edge, what with the gun grab and all going on. Lets tone down the rhetoric and so we can keep discussing this here.  Is that conservative or liberal? I am still confused. 

It was a decision made by the teacher . Why does everything have to be labeled liberal or conservative?

[Awf Hand]

The problem I would see in introducing God into the public school classroom is one of doctrine.  Which religion has a lock on the bible and will diseminate it's interpretation best?  Should the kids get their lessons from Presbyterians, Catholics, Lutherans (WELS, ELCA, Missouri), Baptists, Methodists, Unitarian...  Which one would you like? 
 
I see where Cheesehead is coming from as more laws equates to more oversight and less freedoms.  Watch the movie "Indoctrination" and try to think of how many more rules or laws could save some of these schools.  Full lockdown with uniforms and closed campuses (dorms too) might do it.  There's always that problem of which textbook to use though...

 
I believe the OP story above is the result of zero tolerance policy run amok.  Zero tolerance makes it easier for administrators to  hide behind the rules that they've created and never have to exercise any judgement.  A plastic knife in a lunch box isn't really a weapon, but with ZT rules in place in doesn't matter.  An image on paper or clothing?  Covered under section 12, paren (B), subparen #.   A child defends themselves in a playground brawl.  Who started it? -don't care.  The rules state: quote....endquote.  There is an assumption that parents will not follow through on any punishment meted out, so all discipline occurs in school, under their control and oversight.  It's obvious to you and me that a screenprinted rifle on a shirt can't cause injury, but if that's the policy and someones decision to "make it a law" prohibits images... What if it didn't have the Marines logo on it?  Is it okay then?
 
My kids are in elementary school.  It is a school that *I* chose.  I pay money for them to be there.  My wife volunteers in the classroom 2-4 times per week.  I volunteer in the classroom about once per semester and we both help serve hot lunch once a year.  Parental involvement is mandatory.  There aren't zero tolerance policies in place and the principal can/will act as a judge for issues that come up.  The school where my kids attend hosts hunter's safety classes.  Our local public school?  Parental involvment in the classroom is considered a security risk, and furthermore we have been told that it would act to undermine a union-worker's duties.  The rifle range in the basement that was built when the school was new now stores old furnishings prior to surplus sales.  I don't like their rules, so I voted with my feet. 
 
More rules and laws wasn't going to help.  It's what got them where they are, which in many ways was a result of lowest-common-denomonator methods and perhaps parental judgement.
 
-In an interesting and somewhat related aside, I saw a girl (at a 4-H event) wearing a t-shirt that said "I compete in an Olympic sport that I can't talk about in school".

[Oldshooter]

I am liberal when I shoot at my rifle range.
I am conservative in my dress, I rarely like things written on my clothes.
I am liberal when I pray.
I am conservative where economics are concerned.
I am liberal concerning freedom of speech.
I am consevative when it comes to the constitution. I like the way it was written and think it should not be diluted or changed,
 
So basically I am confused as to what I am. 
 
But as to my opinion on the OP, the teacher, whatever she is, jumped the gun, and should have checked with the principle. This is not a big deal, everyone is a lil on edge, what with the gun grab and all going on. Lets tone down the rhetoric and so we can keep discussing this here.  Is that conservative or liberal? I am still confused. 

It was a decision made by the teacher . Why does everything have to be labeled liberal or conservative?

I think that is what I said...... and quit shooting at trees! 

[KIMBER45]

I am liberal when I shoot at my rifle range.
I am conservative in my dress, I rarely like things written on my clothes.
I am liberal when I pray.
I am conservative where economics are concerned.
I am liberal concerning freedom of speech.
I am consevative when it comes to the constitution. I like the way it was written and think it should not be diluted or changed,
 
So basically I am confused as to what I am. 
 
But as to my opinion on the OP, the teacher, whatever she is, jumped the gun, and should have checked with the principle. This is not a big deal, everyone is a lil on edge, what with the gun grab and all going on. Lets tone down the rhetoric and so we can keep discussing this here.  Is that conservative or liberal? I am still confused. 

It was a decision made by the teacher . Why does everything have to be labeled liberal or conservative?

I think that is what I said...... and quit shooting at trees! 

I was agreeing with you. The tree was standing behind a deer I shot with a 405 gr. bullet out of my 45/70. I think they call that collateral damage. 

[Oldshooter]

ok. well that poor tree has been bothering me.  Glad we can agree on some things. 

[KIMBER45]

ok. well that poor tree has been bothering me.  Glad we can agree on some things. 

Yep, that's why it's good to know the full story before jumping to conclusions.   Would jumping to conclusions be a conservative or liberal trait?    Just kidding. Hope that doesn't turn into a heated discussion.

[Casull]

Powderman wants the world to fit his mold. If it doesn't- eliminate it. Same thinking as a nazi, communist and fundamentalist Muslim.

 
 
 
You forgot liberal democrat.  They are the champions at shouting down that which they disagree with.  Free speech . . . as long as it doesn't offend a homosexual, minority, woman, etc.  Oh, and don't forget about hate crimes.  Killing someone is somehow worse if you hate them.       

[KIMBER45]

Powderman wants the world to fit his mold. If it doesn't- eliminate it. Same thinking as a nazi, communist and fundamentalist Muslim.

?
 
 
 
 
You forgot liberal democrat.  They are the champions at shouting down that which they disagree with.  Free speech . . . as long as it doesn't offend a homosexual, minority, woman, etc.  Oh, and don't forget about hate crimes.  Killing someone is somehow worse if you hate them.   

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