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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2013, 05:12:49 AM »
  First; let's look to see whwere this report is coming from..which is "The Daily Kos"!  Now for any thinking person, this should raise red flags..since the Far left is great at telling only PART of the truth..
  With that in mind, I searched the web for other information from more reliable sources..result; this story from just one remote source is being parroted by only the "lefty-lefties".
   As Paul Harvey liked to say.."Now for the rest of the story".
  It looks like The Kos is harkening back to the 1938 law, when the law Cantor was aiming at was a 1985 law rammed through in order to please the public service unions to help them promote their scam of fleecing the taxpayers.  The scam is so the public service (union) employees can double and triple their overtime just a couple years before retiring.  This boosts their average wage and that way they collect a much higher retirement from the taxpayer for the rest of their lives.  Need I remind you that many of these people retire at 55 years of age?
  Even the Kos admitted that this Democrat sponsored law was aimed at "certain workers'..not all who work overtime.  A quote from the kos article:
     " that Eric Cantor wants to end the Federal law that mandates certain workers get paid overtime for the extra hours they labor."
  The fact is, the Democrats specifically said the law when passed, was specifically aimed to help those union employees.
  By the way, that suggestion by Cantor never went anywhere..so seeing it was long ago, I'll borrow a phrase from Hillary..........................."who cares?" ;) ;D ;D
 
BTW:  " The rest of the story"..really makes a difference, doesn't it! 
    The whole truth sometimes paints a very different picture! ;) ;D
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2013, 10:36:50 AM »
Thanks for posting the truth IG. Thats the reason that some only report half the truth. It just fits their beliefs better.

Why should government be telling companies what they have to pay their employees anyway? Shouldn't that be decided by the employee and the employer?
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2013, 10:46:05 AM »
First it said some , second it said so that time off could be given. Some people might enjoy more time off instead of being placed in a higher tax bracket for extra cash from over time . If any of you have ever worked much OT you would realize that often you bring home less per hour worked due to taxes.
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2013, 10:48:35 AM »
The disinformation program of the present regime.
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2013, 10:54:23 AM »
  My phraseology wasn't very good..but that 1985 law the Dems created, was aimed at giving the public services unions a big boon, all the while forbidding workers in the private sector the same break.
   ...But the lefties fail to mention that.
  Here is another little "skim" game the SEIU (Obama's favorite union) plays, taking money out of elderly poor's government checks (Note: for clarity, I highlighted some passages in maroon..without any change):
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 'Dues Skim' Ballot Proposal 
Proponents Cloud Issue With MistruthsCampaign repeatedly engages in 
falsehoods to lock in millions for the SEIUBy Jack Spencer | July 18, 2012Embedding the unionization of Michigan's so-called home health care workers into the state constitution is the goal of a prospective ballot proposal called “Keep Home Care Safe.”
Those who support the proposal have made it clear how they plan to get it passed. First and foremost, they are counting on well-meaning voters who don't know that the federal Home Help Program exists. Under that program, elderly patients and others suffering from various dysfunctions can be cared for at home instead of being placed in nursing homes or other institutions.
In roughly 75 percent of the cases, those providing the care are relatives or friends of the patient.
In 2005, the Service Employees International Union targeted Michigan's Home Help Program as a potential dues-producing source.
Michigan's Home Help Program was well-established before Jennifer Granholm was elected governor. While Granholm was governor, the SEIU held a little-known election that forced Michigan's 44,000 Home Help Program participants into the union. Dues have been taken from the Medicaid checks of the Home Help Program participants and sent to the SEIU ever since. This flow of dues to the union is called the "home health care dues skim".  The SEIU has taken more than $31 million from disabled residents in Michigan.
Faced with a new law that would eventually end the “skim,” the SEIU is resorting to a ballot proposal. If passed, the proposal would lock the “skim” into the state constitution.
Those who oppose the proposal predict that to sell it to the Michigan voters,  the SEIU will pretend that the proposal creates tha Home Help Program despite the fact the program already exists and has been around for years.
The union is already using this strategy as evidenced by how the proposal is described on the ballot proposal's website.
“Senior and disability rights groups across Michigan are working to put a proposal on the November ballot that would give all Michiganders — including seniors and persons with disabilities — the choice to direct their own care in their own homes, instead of forcing them into expensive nursing homes or institutions."
In addition to the website, there have been dozens of reports that the signatures gathered to put the proposal on the ballot were collected by the use of this same claim. A Michigan Capitol Confidential staffer was approached by a signature gatherer in Oakland County who claimed signing the petition would help "ensure elderly and disabled residents would not be forced into nursing homes."
When informed about the SEIU's taking of millions for dues, she walked away.
"Let's make one thing abundantly clear, this ballot proposal has nothing to do with creating a home help care program to keep people out of nursing homes," said Rep. Paul Opsommer, R-Dewitt. "That program is already in existence, and gives many people an option to stay in familiar surroundings with loved ones. What this ballot proposal is instead about is the SEIU trying to hijack the federal Home Help Program, twisting it for its own purposes, and then milking it for everything it can."
A second argument that will be used for the proposal is that the Home Help Program is somehow in danger of being blocked and the proposal is needed to save it. Virtually no one opposes the Home Help Program.
This "threatened program" tactic has been used previously. In April, when legislation to end the "dues skim" was in the Michigan House, opponents of the bill told those who depend on the program that the legislation would cut them off.
A third tactic the union can be expected to use is to mix in rhetoric about a registry to do criminal background checks of professional caregivers in the Home Help Program. If the state decides to run the registry that now exists, it could do so with one or two employees. In seven years, only 933 names have been collected for the registry, despite 61,000 providers being forced to join the union. Such a registry requires neither the proposal nor the union.
Finally, voters should not be surprised that they'll likely not be hearing anything about the SEIU's role in this ballot proposal nor the existing scheme to keep taking dues money. Instead, spokespeople for this union-backed plan will include social service agency workers, lobbyists and some government officials.
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   Wow!  Nothing quite like USING the low-information voter..even against their own interests.. ;) ;D
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2013, 11:14:40 AM »
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   ...But the lefties fail to mention that.
Don't seem to be hearing to much from the lefties since your post there IG. :o
I guess getting slapped down with truth quites them down.
 
 

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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2013, 11:40:20 AM »
First it said some , second it said so that time off could be given. Some people might enjoy more time off instead of being placed in a higher tax bracket for extra cash from over time . If any of you have ever worked much OT you would realize that often you bring home less per hour worked due to taxes.
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Thats true Shootall. I used to work a good bit of overtime, then I would look at my check and be disappointed, not because of what my employer paid me, but because of what government took from me. I decided that all the hours worked away from my family and the things I like to do is just not worth it. It also ticks one off thinking about how wasteful government is with your money, and how they use so much of it just for buying votes. 
No more overtime for me unless my employer absolutely needs me. Government just takes to much of it anymore. I wouldn't even want overtime if I was offered double time. 
Ever notice how liberals always blame corporations and companies for everything, including all the ills their beloved government creates. 
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2013, 12:41:53 PM »
in the whole sceme of things....does it really matter


i work  a place 10 years when i was young
want  time & half......don't work over 40 hours
if you work  over 40 hours...you got paid cash any hours over 40....tax savings for both parties


with  obumer care...every one /many  will  only be working 30 hours anyway
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2013, 10:36:59 AM »
TM, I don't see where government should have a hand in any business between them and the employee. Why should government mandate number of hours or what the pay scale should be after those mandated hours. If an employee doesn't like what they are paid, or what hours they have to work, for that pay, they are free to barter for what they want, or go else where. The fact is, companies do their best to retain their good employees. Its just good business sense to do so. The way I see it, if someone strives to do a good job, and does a good job, you become an asset to that company. Where that company will what to keep you from looking for another job.

What about the millions of salaried workers across the country that are very happy with their job. There is no mandated pay, or hours by the government. there is no overtime pay. Its an agreement between the worker and the company, and thats the way it should be. A big problem I see anymore is that there are to many people that expect companies to pay them what they want for little effort. Government and unions have made it to easy for people to just complain about unfair wages, hours, work conditions, etc. We all know its easier to complain then do the work required.
As far as a company moving its business off shore.  If government would make a more friendly business environment here, companies would stay. How can we blame corporations for moving when they can avoid the mountain of regs they have to abide by here. That is what costs companies money to do business here. Bureaucracies like the EPA never stop creating laws and regulations, because that is exactly what they do, and the more regs and laws they create the bigger and fatter they get. It costs companies billions to abide by government regs, then we want to blame companies for leaving. It isn't all about cheaper labor.           
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Re: Another of the Right's guys...
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2013, 10:49:26 AM »
 Unless it changed a company has to have more than 9 employees before they have to pay OT. There are alot of companies with less than 9 .
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