Author Topic: The stand your ground law! (Read 2531 times)

Oldshooter · « **on:** February 27, 2013, 04:43:09 AM »

I saw in the news last night that the defendant in the trevon martin case is gonna use the "stand your ground law" in place in Florida in his defense. There is at least one other case using that defense in Florida right now.

Now it seems Florida is rethinking that law as is three other states.

The report said that violent crime is down by 21 % since the law passed but.......there have been 30 deaths attributed to it.

SEEMS its working like it should to me!

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In the United States of America, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first.

Dee · « **Reply #1 on:** February 27, 2013, 05:36:30 AM »

Funny how that works out. I would have stand my ground. Too old and busted up ta run.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #2 on:** February 27, 2013, 08:02:42 AM »

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Too old and busted up ta run.

If you google that,..... a picture of me comes up!

Dee · « **Reply #3 on:** February 27, 2013, 08:09:30 AM »

Oldshooter, you goin ta Jefferson the 22nd?

Oldshooter · « **Reply #4 on:** February 27, 2013, 08:16:47 AM »

I would have to check with my "activities directer" PM coming.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 27, 2013, 04:00:19 PM »

A lot of the legal talking heads around here are stating that GZ has a valid SYG defense but judge Nelson will rule against him because she is afraid of the black community (local and out of state race mongers) rioting if GZ gets off. It surely is some tense times around here.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #6 on:** February 27, 2013, 04:15:16 PM »

ITs not a jury trial?

gstewart44 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 27, 2013, 04:30:36 PM »

Not the SYG hearing ....... facts about SYG go before Judge Nelson and she decides if it is valid (and the case goes no further and immunity from civil suits for GZ). If Judge Nelson says no to SYG then GZ will have to go to trial and prove Self Defense in the criminal court. If he is acquitted of second degree murder then he still faces jeopardy in civil court which no doubt will follow. the SYG hearing is key to the future around here.

Dee · « **Reply #8 on:** February 27, 2013, 05:09:00 PM »

If the judge rules syg, the blacks will take that town apart, and she knows it. He'll face a jury and they'll convict him.

Larry L · « **Reply #9 on:** February 27, 2013, 05:30:16 PM »

So Zimmerman is going to get mob justice? And that's what the folks in that part of the country seem to think is right? Remind me never to set foot there again.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #10 on:** February 27, 2013, 05:33:57 PM »

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the SYG hearing is key to the future around here.

no doubt, maybe everywhere.

Dee · « **Reply #11 on:** February 28, 2013, 01:31:30 AM »

Quote from: Larry L on February 27, 2013, 05:30:16 PM

So Zimmerman is going to get mob justice? And that's what the folks in that part of the country seem to think is right? Remind me never to set foot there again.

That what I think will happen. All the major black figures are sittin on a limb waitin on it. No way the judge rules against THEM.

Mikey · « **Reply #12 on:** February 28, 2013, 01:54:19 AM »

This is very interesting. Mob justice is exactly how hillary klinton, as a law student at harvard, got the 3 black panthers accused of murdering a informant freed of murder charges evn though each one of them confessed to their part in the crime. It seems the gutless judge in harvard yard did not have the moral or ethical strength to convict the felons because he was too worried about how the foaming racist blacks in the area would take to his findings and he feared they would riot. So now everyone has to worry about what a uninformed mob thinks - gutless judges, immoral politicians. This should become another Watts and let the Fla NG clean out the racist ghettos.
I say: no justice for GZ, no peace

lakota · « **Reply #13 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:20:16 AM »

Zimmerman should have fled when he had the chance. There is no way he gets a fair trial or an unbiased jury. Judge Jackson and Judge Sharpton have already found him guilty based on the evidence provided by prosecutor Shabazz and company.

45-70.gov · « **Reply #14 on:** February 28, 2013, 04:57:45 AM »

i hope one good person ended up not getting out of jury duty

tobster · « **Reply #15 on:** February 28, 2013, 06:47:54 AM »

I agree about the judge knowing what will happen if he doesn't send the case to a jury trial. Zimmerman is going to be a scape goat one way or the other. If riots break out because of this I think a great many people will end up using the SYG law to protect life and limb from looters and we will have a glaring example of why citizens "need" assault style weapons.

bulletstuffer · « **Reply #16 on:** February 28, 2013, 10:58:54 AM »

We are seeing an increase in flash mobs attacking stores and innocent bystanders. This case will just be another excuse to do something stupid.

Then you have to ask yourself. Are people buying up guns and ammo as fast it hits the shelf because they think it is going to be banned...or are they buying because of the looming sense of evil? A gun is the best option to protect yourself and your family in case of a disaster whether natural or man made...after prayer of course.

Keep your fingers crossed for the country!

Bulletstuffer

Bob Riebe · « **Reply #17 on:** February 28, 2013, 11:15:36 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on February 27, 2013, 04:43:09 AM

I saw in the news last night that the defendant in the trevon martin case is gonna use the "stand your ground law" in place in Florida in his defense. There is at least one other case using that defense in Florida right now.

Now it seems Florida is rethinking that law as is three other states.

All it takes is for one liberal politician to babble the above and the biased news will quickly report "rethinking the law."

That is all that is about.

Martin had the right and did the right thing.
The biased liberal news is the only thing that is actually prosecuting him.

Dee · « **Reply #18 on:** February 28, 2013, 11:26:50 AM »

Well bob the only thing Martin did was start a fight with the wrong guy, get shot, an go permanently 10-42. I think you mean Zimmerman.

two-blocked · « **Reply #19 on:** February 28, 2013, 03:20:29 PM »

Quote from: Mikey on February 28, 2013, 01:54:19 AM

This is very interesting. Mob justice is exactly how hillary klinton, as a law student at harvard, got the 3 black panthers accused of murdering a informant freed of murder charges evn though each one of them confessed to their part in the crime. It seems the gutless judge in harvard yard did not have the moral or ethical strength to convict the felons because he was too worried about how the foaming racist blacks in the area would take to his findings and he feared they would riot. So now everyone has to worry about what a uninformed mob thinks - gutless judges, immoral politicians. This should become another Watts and let the Fla NG clean out the racist ghettos.
I say: no justice for GZ, no peace

She went to Yale
http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/panthers.asp

Dee · « **Reply #20 on:** February 28, 2013, 03:46:37 PM »

Yea, and she makes me want ta YALE every time I hear her voice.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #21 on:** March 01, 2013, 03:01:30 AM »

It would seem the stand your ground law failed in this case . When it is working the defendent does not have to defend himself or be arrested. Don't forget the Chief of police and head DA both quit.
This may be the case that goes to the SCOTUS .
Would add the roit that would follow a not guilty verdict will last less time than the crime spree that will follow a guilty one

KAC1911 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 02, 2013, 06:36:54 AM »

The SYG doesn't work the same for everyone here. IIRC not long ago in Fl and older black man killed a younger white father in front of his son over something stupid. But got off because of SYG. If it was reversed I doubt it would have been the same expecially do to the age difference let alone the jackson & sharpton crew. Blacks are killing each other daily down here but not much is said about it by jackson & sharpton but god forbid if a white man kills a black man all hell brakes loose. Not trying to sound racist but facts are facts.

Dee · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2013, 08:41:21 AM »

In this case it IS a black verses white issue. If Zimmerman walks you'll see the match strikers will be black.

srussell · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2013, 01:27:42 PM »

Quote from: Dee on February 27, 2013, 05:09:00 PM

If the judge rules syg, the blacks will take that town apart, and she knows it. He'll face a jury and they'll convict him.

just another reason to have the syg law on the books

gstewart44 · « **Reply #25 on:** March 04, 2013, 03:50:34 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 03, 2013, 07:38:07 AM

KAC1911...don't buy trouble....strictly speaking this is not a white on black issue_ _its an hispanic on black issue.
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NBC idiots turned it into a White/Black issue even coining the term "White Hispanic".

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #26 on:** March 04, 2013, 04:44:52 AM »

Several reports claim both have Black in there family past .

gstewart44 · « **Reply #27 on:** March 04, 2013, 05:28:17 AM »

Quote from: TM7 on March 04, 2013, 05:06:21 AM

Quote from: gstewart44 on March 04, 2013, 03:50:34 AM
Quote from: TM7 on March 03, 2013, 07:38:07 AM
KAC1911...don't buy trouble....strictly speaking this is not a white on black issue_ _its an hispanic on black issue.
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NBC idiots turned it into a White/Black issue even coining the term "White Hispanic".
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I know what propamedia is doing.....technically a Latin or Hispanic person would or could check white or Caucasian on various forms, healthcare forms etc...even if having the darkest skin color. That's my understanding.
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For me this is an hispanic vs black case...
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Agreed TM.....but the media and the racemonger/pimps won't leave it alone. BTW a health facility that receives any Fed monies or participates with Medicare/caid has to offer "Hispanic" as a choice of ethnicity on their health questionaires....one of the hoops we jump through.....whether the person fills it out as such is another question.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #28 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:55:24 AM »

funny thing is justice is blind

shame the liberal press isn't !

Oldshooter · « **Reply #29 on:** March 04, 2013, 07:04:07 AM »

They are dumb! And deaf! Two outa three ain't bad!