LIberals Argue: Neither Blacks Nor Women Should Have Guns

[lgm270]

Interesting assessment of Colorado Democrat who argues that blacks and women should not be allowed to have guns.  I have a different take on this issue. I think they should be allowed to  have guns, but not be allowed to vote.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/02/why_blacks_and_women_should_not_have_guns.html

[wganz]

We need to throw them a curve ball and say that if they call the laws what they are, "Jim Crowe Laws", the (R) would vote 'Present' and let them pass.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from lgm270:
"I think they should be allowed to  have guns, but not be allowed to vote. "


Since you brought it up why not be allowed to vote?
GuzziJohn

[SharonAnne]

yes I am too hormonal to have a gun or vote. only thing I should be allowed to do is house work, cook and pop out babies.

[Swampman]

Only property owners and veterans should be allowed to vote.  They have a vested interest.

[SHOOTALL]

Some things come to mind . First is an armed socity is a polite socity , so people wanting the time or directions won't be running up and getting in womens faces. They will be calm , keep their distance so the lady won't feel threatened and ask the time etc. Those who believe in freedom and the 2nd amnd. must realize that all free people have the same rights or freedom does not exist.
 The azz that wrote the article must believe removing the horn from the buff will make the wolf stop eating them. He also must not have a mother , wife , sister or daughter that he cares about 
 
As far as voters only tax payers should be allowed to vote.

[guzzijohn]

Quote from Shootall:
"As far as voters only tax payers should be allowed to vote.


Then that would be everyone! I don't think anyone gets by without paying some kind of taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, phone tax, etc.
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

Quote from Shootall:
"As far as voters only tax payers should be allowed to vote.


Then that would be everyone! I don't think anyone gets by without paying some kind of taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, phone tax, etc.
GuzziJohn

Good point ! Income tax and/or realestate tax then

[coyotejoe]

Quote from Shootall:
"As far as voters only tax payers should be allowed to vote.


Then that would be everyone! I don't think anyone gets by without paying some kind of taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, phone tax, etc.
GuzziJohn

Good point ! Income tax and/or realestate tax then

Oh I see, so now that I'm 71 years old, retired and don't have enough income to owe any tax and the property is in the wife's name I should not be entitled to vote.

[SHOOTALL]

well maybe or after you have paid for say 50 years you can still vote. But in reality if you don't pay in you are spending other peoples money

[guzzijohn]

Coyotejoe,
If I may ask why is the property only in your wife's name? I guess your state laws allow that? In Kansas a husband and wife cannot hold real estate separately both names have to be on the deeds.
GuzziJohn

[DDZ]

Quote from Shootall:
"As far as voters only tax payers should be allowed to vote.


Then that would be everyone! I don't think anyone gets by without paying some kind of taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, phone tax, etc.
GuzziJohn

What is being talked about here is someone that is on welfare. Who"s money are they really paying taxes with? What imaginary taxes they are paying is money stolen from someone else's labor and given to them.  Welfare recipients aren't paying anything. So please don't try to make it sound like everyone that votes pays taxes.   

[SHOOTALL]

really voters should own land .

[coyotejoe]

And ignorant bigots should keep their opinions to themselves.

[SharonAnne]

I think Robert Heinlein had it right in his book Starship Troopers. The movie had it all screwed up.

To become a citizen one had to enlist in public service for a minimum of two years. It was a crap shoot as far as what branch of public service you wound up in. You could volunteer for the military but if you did not volunteer it was a lottery system for what branch of public service you wound up in. Only after completing your public service were you a citizen and able to vote. Those who chose not to put the public good ahead of themselves for two years did not get to vote, ever.

I like the concept.

[yellowtail3]

really voters should own land .

Should that be a requirement, a qualification to political enfranchisement? Why?

You could volunteer for the military but if you did not volunteer it was a lottery system for what branch of public service you wound up in. Only after completing your public service were you a citizen and able to vote. Those who chose not to put the public good ahead of themselves for two years did not get to vote, ever.

I like the concept.

This veteran will pass on that model...

[lakota]

democrats being racist and sexist. Why should anyone be suprised by this? The Democrat party is the official party of racism and racists.

[mcwoodduck]

Quote from Shootall:
"As far as voters only tax payers should be allowed to vote.


Then that would be everyone! I don't think anyone gets by without paying some kind of taxes. Sales tax, gas tax, phone tax, etc.
GuzziJohn

How about you need to pay +$1 on your state and Federal taxes in order to vote.
But this law is more proof that the liberals are the ones that are the Sexists and the racists!
 

[SHOOTALL]

And ignorant bigots should keep their opinions to themselves.

Before calling people bigots one should study their history and see who the founding fathers allowed to vote . That was before the law of the land was changed . Had the laws not been changed it could argured that this country would not be in the trouble we are today.
Just one more example of the un informed voters

[SHOOTALL]

really voters should own land .

Should that be a requirement, a qualification to political enfranchisement? Why?A return to how we started out .

You could volunteer for the military but if you did not volunteer it was a lottery system for what branch of public service you wound up in. Only after completing your public service were you a citizen and able to vote. Those who chose not to put the public good ahead of themselves for two years did not get to vote, ever.

I like the concept.

This veteran will pass on that model...

[coyotejoe]

And ignorant bigots should keep their opinions to themselves.

Before calling people bigots one should study their history and see who the founding fathers allowed to vote . That was before the law of the land was changed . Had the laws not been changed it could argured that this country would not be in the trouble we are today.
Just one more example of the un informed voters

And before one denies being a bigot one should look up the definition of the word, you might find your picture there.

[SHOOTALL]

I doubt it as it would make no difference if the land owner was of any race or religion or other group other than non land owner   
You are a typical liberal can't come back aginst history so you attack me   

[mcwoodduck]

And ignorant bigots should keep their opinions to themselves.

Before calling people bigots one should study their history and see who the founding fathers allowed to vote . That was before the law of the land was changed . Had the laws not been changed it could argured that this country would not be in the trouble we are today.
Just one more example of the un informed voters

And before one denies being a bigot one should look up the definition of the word, you might find your picture there.

You mean Bigots like Hillary that called NYC Hymie town? refering to all the Jewish people in the city.
you mena like Senator Kerry that said we need ot take care of the black man as he can not do it him self.
You mena like the bigots that started planned parent hood so the Black women acting like animals would not over reproduce asn we need ot have a way to abort thier unwanted (by society) children.
Every bit of Liberal platform stated because of some of thier bigot representives started something to either take care of them or keep them down.

[coyotejoe]

I doubt it as it would make no difference if the land owner was of any race or religion or other group other than non land owner   
You are a typical liberal can't come back aginst history so you attack me 

Like I said, look up the definition, it is not limited to race or religion. Yes, I know that most of the founding father's were slave owners who believed women should not have a vote, that blacks were counted as half of a person and Indians were not counted as people at all but that does not excuse your bigotry today and the fact that you seem to believe it does just proves the point.

[mcwoodduck]

I doubt it as it would make no difference if the land owner was of any race or religion or other group other than non land owner   
You are a typical liberal can't come back aginst history so you attack me 

Like I said, look up the definition, it is not limited to race or religion. Yes, I know that most of the founding father's were slave owners who believed women should not have a vote, that blacks were counted as half of a person and Indians were not counted as people at all but that does not excuse your bigotry today and the fact that you seem to believe it does just proves the point.

Wait you are changing history.
The south wanted to count slaves as people so they could have more reps in congress.  The slave owners wanted to skew the population giving them more power in  congress.  The Mo comprimise was set up to block the southern states from added influence by owning states.  The slaves were never going to vote.   
 

[yellowtail3]

really voters should own land

Should that be a requirement, a qualification to political enfranchisement? Why?

A return to how we started out

thanks for the reply. I'm not convinced that just because that is how we started is a good reason to return. There are a few things that we started with, that we're well rid of now!

[BAGTIC]

I think only those with an I.Q. larger than their hat size should be allowed to vote. Nothing personal.
 
Actually, I believe that every citizen should be allowed to vote, including felons, including those in jail. The basic premise is that those who are subject to the law should have a right to participate in deciding what the laws would be.

[BAGTIC]

Well if only landowners should vote then there won't be enough people left eligible to bother holding an election. Only about 1/2 of Americans have their own house and about 30% own it free and clear. That means only 15% would be eligible to vote and the bankers would outnumber them.

[SHOOTALL]

really voters should own land

Should that be a requirement, a qualification to political enfranchisement? Why?

A return to how we started out

thanks for the reply. I'm not convinced that just because that is how we started is a good reason to return. There are a few things that we started with, that we're well rid of now!

Well it may or may not be but one only need to look at how things are going now really. Are they good ? When half the people get support from the govt. but contribute nothing one needs to address that .

[mcwoodduck]

Well if only landowners should vote then there won't be enough people left eligible to bother holding an election. Only about 1/2 of Americans have their own house and about 30% own it free and clear. That means only 15% would be eligible to vote and the bankers would outnumber them.

No a bank is a company and it would never have a vote.
But anyone holding a morguage would be eligible to vote.
The original intention of the framers was two fold in making land owners voters.
One was they were paying property taxes.  We had just severed from England that taxed the colonies heavily and they had no say in what the taxes were to be spent on.  This way the ones paying the taxes would ellect the people spending the money and raising taxes.
two, there were afraid of someone stuffing the ballot boxes with Canadians/ English or Spanish comming over the boarder to vote and ellecting people that did not have our colonies/ states best interest at heart.
Seems to me that both fears have been reached.  We have people that do not pay net positive taxes voting to take more and more from the ones that do inorder to give it to them selves and we have no clear voter identification with the liberals screaming that we can not have polling places verify the people as to who they are and ballot boxes are being stuffed.