Author Topic: Knight Catalogue (Read 842 times)

Crunch · « **on:** February 18, 2004, 06:13:42 AM »

I received my 2004 Knight catalogue today. The Revolution was in there, $421.00, I think. It looks pretty slick. When do you all think that someone - Randy perhaps?, will get a chance to test one out? I like reading and value the opinions of you all on this forum. Buying a new rifle is a pretty big deal to me, especially as prices seem to climb higher each year. Thanks, ATB, Crunch

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2004, 07:24:53 AM »

There's not much real opinion based on experience to draw from.

The last word was shipment of the Revolution in late April, so no final production models have ever been shot / tested at present. What exactly it will do or how it really performs is just speculation.

The current production Knight Elite .50 caliber is the best Knight (IMO) made. Yet, the promotion of that model has been muted compared to the Knight .52, etc. Knight has two winners in their affordable Wolverine and last years introduction of the Knight Elite-- the two guns in their offering that seem to be the least promoted. As to why, I have little clue.

Trail Bum · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2004, 12:20:05 PM »

Ill agree with Randy,on the Disc Elite.Ive had one for several month's now,and the more i shoot it,the more accurate it becomes.Awesome Rifle.Im consistently shooting 3/4" 3- shot groups.But wont be happy,till 3 make one ragged hole. Now that's a lot to ask for! Especially at 100yds.Well i can wish!

bomtek44 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2004, 02:47:41 PM »

Greetings,

I can add my two bits to the Disc Elite. I finally got to shoot my new one Monday and it puts three 200 grain Shockwave .40/.50 sabots into sub .75 inch with the best of the day being four shots into .650 inch. That WAS one ragged hole.

Have to thank Randy for the excellent review which finally turned me to this rifle. My only gripe is that external fouling is a bit more than expected.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #4 on:** February 18, 2004, 03:17:33 PM »

It remains the most accurate muzzleloader I've ever tested. I've never had a muzzleloader that shot repetitive 1/2" groups out of the box, before or since.

The red jacket area is one that could be improved. Some shooters have reported no external fouling at all-- but, that is not the case here. They do seem to vary somewhat, based on cumulative tolerances of bolt / breechplug, etc. I had hoped that 209-4 Remington primers might offer some relief from that, but they wouldn't reliably set off pellets. Not much worse than a gun that won't go bang. So, I've stuck with Federal 209A primers as they always have, regardless of inline. The amount of residue could be reduced with a lighter primer, but the Knight's excessively long (my opinion) breechplug prohibits that.

msdh · « **Reply #5 on:** February 18, 2004, 05:00:30 PM »

Ive got to agree about the Elite. Ive owned 4 Knights. One of them was their top of line Master Hunter Disc. This Elite will shoot rings around it. Its definitely the best shooting Knight Ive ever owned. .75 inch groups with 300 grain XTPs and Pyro select are the norm for this gun. It also handles like a dream. I dont know why they dont promote this gun more. If the Revolution shoots like this it will be a big hit.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #6 on:** February 18, 2004, 07:07:21 PM »

My friends at Knight sure don't listen to me! :?

The Knight Elite is not revolutionary, but evolutionary. The steps that have made it into an outstandingly good gun have been incremental, but very good. They have always had excellent tech support and customer service, and outstanding triggers-- including an "industry first" of free factory trigger adjustments that void no warranty. The non-C-Lect-Tool bolt was a great addition / improvement. The red plastic jackets, while alternatively praised and damned-- do absolutely weatherproof the gun. In a hunting scenario, the easy no-tool capping / decapping is a plus-- and a quick glance lets you (or anyone) know if the red jacket is on the breechplug nipple, or not. About as safe to use as can be had, with redundant safeties to boot.

The forked, extended tine recoil lug was a brilliant idea, and the tapered, floated barrel is something that many, many muzzleloaders could benefit from. "Easy maintenance" has been touted /claimed by many, but the Knight Elite takes just a few moments longer to clean than an Omega-- for example. It seems that it takes most people longer to complain about it, than to just do it.

Additionally, when compared directly to break action guns, any action cleaning is problematic-- and seldom even described / allowed via owner's manuals. With the Knight, you have it all cleaned, every time. No special breech plug tool required, either. I like the Omega-- but, good luck if you don't like the trigger as supplied. Chances are, your Knight trigger is excellent as received, but if not to your preference-- Knight takes care of it for free. And, they are just plain tack-drivers.

Knight also has outstanding synthetic stocks, a big jump up from the hollow offerings from other makers. There are many competent muzzleloaders out there, but the Knight Elite is one of the very best. Right now, you even can get a $50 rebate on them.

What the Revolution will or will not be remains to be seen, but (IMO) the best Knight Rifle ever made is already out there. If I had any input on the matter (I don't) the Knight Elite would be the model I'd be screaming about from the mountaintop-- apparently, the ad-copy people at Knight don't see what I see, at all.

When I first tested the Knight Elite, I really wondered if the accuracy I was getting was just a fluke, or the luck of the draw. As it turns out, I've not heard from anyone yet that has less than excellent results with a Knight Elite. Knight may think their "2-1/2 in. accuracy guarantee" is a reason to buy a Knight, but their Knight Elite easily splits that accuracy level in half. At least. I don't think it is just "a Knight," I think it is the Knight. It would be very hard to discern that from the ad copy, media coverage, etc.

Wolfhound · « **Reply #7 on:** February 19, 2004, 12:02:29 AM »

Quote from: RandyWakeman

The Knight Elite is not revolutionary, but evolutionary. The steps that have made it into an outstandingly good gun have been incremental, but very good. They have always had excellent tech support and customer service, and outstanding triggers-- including an "industry first" of free factory trigger adjustments that void no warranty. The non-C-Lect-Tool bolt was a great addition / improvement. The red plastic jackets, while alternatively praised and damned-- do absolutely weatherproof the gun. In a hunting scenario, the easy no-tool capping / decapping is a plus-- and a quick glance lets you (or anyone) know if the red jacket is on the breechplug nipple, or not. About as safe to use as can be had, with redundant safeties to boot.

The forked, extended tine recoil lug was a brilliant idea, and the tapered, floated barrel is something that many, many muzzleloaders could benefit from. "Easy maintenance" has been touted /claimed by many, but the Knight Elite takes just a few moments longer to clean than an Omega-- for example. It seems that it takes most people longer to complain about it, than to just do it.

Additionally, when compared directly to break action guns, any action cleaning is problematic-- and seldom even described / allowed via owner's manuals. With the Knight, you have it all cleaned, every time. No special breech plug tool required, either. I like the Omega-- but, good luck if you don't like the trigger as supplied. Chances are, your Knight trigger is excellent as received, but if not to your preference-- Knight takes care of it for free. And, they are just plain tack-drivers.

Knight also has outstanding synthetic stocks, a big jump up from the hollow offerings from other makers. There are many competent muzzleloaders out there, but the Knight Elite is one of the very best. Right now, you even can get a $50 rebate on them.

What the Revolution will or will not be remains to be seen, but (IMO) the best Knight Rifle ever made is already out there. If I had any input on the matter (I don't) the Knight Elite would be the model I'd be screaming about from the mountaintop-- apparently, the ad-copy people at Knight don't see what I see, at all.

When I first tested the Knight Elite, I really wondered if the accuracy I was getting was just a fluke, or the luck of the draw. As it turns out, I've not heard from anyone yet that has less than excellent results with a Knight Elite. Knight may think their "2-1/2 in. accuracy guarantee" is a reason to buy a Knight, but their Knight Elite easily splits that accuracy level in half. At least. I don't think it is just "a Knight," I think it is the Knight. It would be very hard to discern that from the ad copy, media coverage, etc.

I have to agree with you that the Knight Elite is the best Knight ML currently sold. The only real issue I have with it is that if you want a thumbhole stock for it, your out of luck. My Extreme while not as accurate as your Elite is at least available with my prefered stock style. With ammo it likes I can keep it under an inch at 100 yds. Unfortunately that bullet that shoots so well is a buck a shot.

I'm currently looking for a cheaper bullet that shoots as well in it.

RandyWakeman · « **Reply #8 on:** February 19, 2004, 11:44:53 AM »

According to the 2004 catalog, they are taking the QR bolt pin (as on the Extreme .52) and adding it to all their Extreme / Elite models. Another very good idea, long overdue.

grouse · « **Reply #9 on:** February 19, 2004, 06:37:06 PM »

Wolfhound,
My knight Extreme shoots DeadCenters really well.
Both the 220grn .40cal and the 300grn .44cal. If you buy them
direct, the 250 pack is around 54cents a bullet. It also shoots
the 348grn PB well also. But your around a buck a bullet again.