Would someone explain this to me?

[guzzijohn]

Many here many times have referred to Obama as inept, an idiot, naive, etc. yet many here seem to be scared to death of Obama and say how effective he has been turing the USA into a socialist or communist nation. How could a bumbling idiot pull that off? Which is it? Is he an idiot or a genius? I don't see how he can be both.
GuzziJohn

[DDZ]

No Guzzi, Obama knows full well what he is doing. Being smart or intelligent though, does not lead one to do the right thing. Obama has been well schooled by his Marxist/Communist friends while growing up. He understands to gain power and possibly a dictatorship, he has to remove some of our freedoms, and reduce our prosperity. He has to create a centralized state that has all say so on how we live, all he needs now is a congress to agree with him. 

[gypsyman]

Guzzi, I think of Obama as a college educated idiot. Like so many college professors that teach young minds on how to make something of themselves when they get out into the REAL world, but, the professors themselves, have never lived in the real world. They don't understand how it, reality, affects real world situations. With Obama, I don't think he realize's what the consiquence's are going to be. He's a modern day Timothy Leary. He thought LSD would be a real mind opener. When reality hits, Obama will still not understand how he had such a part in it. The people behind the scene's will, they'll be ready to pick up the piece's, what's left of them. gypsyman

[Hairy Chest]

Many here many times have referred to Obama as inept, an idiot, naive, etc. yet many here seem to be scared to death of Obama and say how effective he has been turing the USA into a socialist or communist nation. How could a bumbling idiot pull that off? Which is it? Is he an idiot or a genius? I don't see how he can be both.
GuzziJohn

Bush will be remembered as the moron from Texas. 

[m-g Willy]

Many here many times have referred to Obama as inept, an idiot, naive, etc. yet many here seem to be scared to death of Obama and say how effective he has been turing the USA into a socialist or communist nation. How could a bumbling idiot pull that off? Which is it? Is he an idiot or a genius? I don't see how he can be both.
GuzziJohn

Bush will be remembered as the moron from Texas.

And obama will be remembered as the puppet that brought all the idiots and evil bastards together to destroy America.

[JonnyReb]

Many here many times have referred to Obama as inept, an idiot, naive, etc. yet many here seem to be scared to death of Obama and say how effective he has been turing the USA into a socialist or communist nation. How could a bumbling idiot pull that off? Which is it? Is he an idiot or a genius? I don't see how he can be both.
GuzziJohn

Bush will be remembered as the moron from Texas.

And obama will be remembered as the puppet that brought all the idiots and evil bastards together to destroy America.

X2

[yellowtail3]

Many here many times have referred to Obama as inept, an idiot, naive, etc. yet many here seem to be scared to death of Obama and say how effective he has been turing the USA into a socialist or communist nation. How could a bumbling idiot pull that off? Which is it? Is he an idiot or a genius? I don't see how he can be both.
GuzziJohn

You gotta understand, Guzzi... that ideology, mixed in with hatred & flat-out ignorance, makes for strange inconsistencies...

[lakota]

This thread reminds me of the Bush years when democrats were railing Bush calling him names, claiming he was a moron in one breath and then proclaiming him to be some sort of diabolical genius who all by himself planned  and pulled off 9/11 in the next breath, all while defending their hateful rhetoric as "freedom of speech." Well now that the shoe is on the other foot and the freedom of speech is pointed at your president, how do you democrats like it? Last time I checked freedom of speech was for everyone to use, not just for liberals to use to lob insults and death threats at a president they dont like.

[yellowtail3]

This thread reminds me of the Bush years when democrats were railing Bush calling him names, claiming he was a moron in one breath and then proclaiming him to be some sort of diabolical genius who all by himself planned  and pulled off 9/11 in the next breath, all while defending their hateful rhetoric as "freedom of speech."

They're similar! And just goes to show... no moral diff, between Left & Right. Both are fallible, and neither has moral high ground everywhere (though both think they do)

[tobster]

I think he is a master politician that has no idea of how things work in the real world.  He claims to represent the middle class but I believe he considers himself an elitist. I also believe he will trample all over the Constitution and do whatever it takes to make the U.S. what he thinks it should be, legally or otherwise. I don't know if that makes him smart or dumb, but I think he is dangerous as long as
people believe him. DO AS I SAY-NOT AS I DO should be his motto. I attribute most of Obama's behavior to narcissism, but for the life of me I don't understand how someone that considers the Second Amendment necessary for our form of freedom could possibly support him.

[lakota]

This thread reminds me of the Bush years when democrats were railing Bush calling him names, claiming he was a moron in one breath and then proclaiming him to be some sort of diabolical genius who all by himself planned  and pulled off 9/11 in the next breath, all while defending their hateful rhetoric as "freedom of speech."

They're similar! And just goes to show... no moral diff, between Left & Right. Both are fallible, and neither has moral high ground everywhere (though both think they do)

You are right there is really no difference of substance. Any differences are purely cosmetic.

[blind ear]

It isn't the current leaders or the current parties that are the problem. It is the people that support them. They support them. There is no way for reason to prevail. ear

[BBF]

The last % of support for him that I saw was 43.
 That is more than just scary !!

[jimster]

It isn't the current leaders or the current parties that are the problem. It is the people that support them. They support them. There is no way for reason to prevail. ear

Agreed. President Obama is a product of what is wrong, or as another country put it, a republic can survive a fool, the question is how long can a country survive the multitude of fools who put him there.
I'm not afraid of President Obama, I am afraid of how someone like that got there. He is only a product of someone coming up through the system and never needing a real job, tax payer supported the entire way, and brings with him that mentality without any experience in much of anything except how to work the system. Add to that a willingness to hurt people to prove a political point, and you have what a large portion of the American people have become.
Refusing to have a budget for example is how many Americans want to live, so they elect like minded people, and you have no budget. Wanting money and a home without sacrificing yourself with hours of study and working crummy jobs for years to get there, and you elect people in congress who give out lots of "entitlements". Wanting to have sex whenever you want and not pay for the consequences of your actions, you elect people who will make others pay for your bad judgement with their money instead of yours. After a while you will not outvote that. People do not improve their morals and work ethics and drive for independence on their own, they will go to the grave that way, and their offspring will be the same. Sooner or later, it will be time to "crop" the herd, not sure how that will happen, but it eventually will happen I think. It's nature.
President Obama is not the threat, he's not even scary, heck to be honest nobody pays any attention to him much at all, you have entire states telling him they will do what they want and not pay attention to his fed laws, try to stop me. I don't think too many people are scared of Obama. Matter of fact, all the fed agencies are doing whatever they want regardless of him...the boss don't matter, let runs some guns into Me-he-co and have a parties in some other country on the tax payers dime. Just make sure you pay the gals there...so it don't hit the news next time.
 
 

[blind ear]

It isn't the current leaders or the current parties that are the problem. It is the people that support them. They support them. There is no way for reason to prevail. ear

Agreed. President Obama is a product of what is wrong, or as another country put it, a republic can survive a fool, the question is how long can a country survive the multitude of fools who put him there.
I'm not afraid of President Obama, I am afraid of how someone like that got there. He is only a product of someone coming up through the system and never needing a real job, tax payer supported the entire way, and brings with him that mentality without any experience in much of anything except how to work the system. Add to that a willingness to hurt people to prove a political point, and you have what a large portion of the American people have become.
Refusing to have a budget for example is how many Americans want to live, so they elect like minded people, and you have no budget. Wanting money and a home without sacrificing yourself with hours of study and working crummy jobs for years to get there, and you elect people in congress who give out lots of "entitlements". Wanting to have sex whenever you want and not pay for the consequences of your actions, you elect people who will make others pay for your bad judgement with their money instead of yours. After a while you will not outvote that. People do not improve their morals and work ethics and drive for independence on their own, they will go to the grave that way, and their offspring will be the same. Sooner or later, it will be time to "crop" the herd, not sure how that will happen, but it eventually will happen I think. It's nature.
President Obama is not the threat, he's not even scary, heck to be honest nobody pays any attention to him much at all, you have entire states telling him they will do what they want and not pay attention to his fed laws, try to stop me. I don't think too many people are scared of Obama. Matter of fact, all the fed agencies are doing whatever they want regardless of him...the boss don't matter, let runs some guns into Me-he-co and have a parties in some other country on the tax payers dime. Just make sure you pay the gals there...so it don't hit the news next time.

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I included the Republicans with the Demodrats. ear

[ChungDoQuan]

I will personally remember Obama as a gutless wonder who ran and won on a set of principles then folded at every turn. I could put a better spin on the Republican do-nothing Congress than he does! He makes good speeches, but not GREAT ones--- then, does NOTHING. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren; at least she has a pair...

The whole gutlessness of Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi makes me nauseous. Why is it the only progressives that have what it takes to push ahead are new (Liz Warren), Independents, (Bernie Sanders), or gone (Barney Frank)? All the rightys are petrified at what this administration has done; I'm disgusted at what they haven't done.

[Doublebass73]

I wish we had Elizabeth Warren; at least she has a pair...

She sure does.

[nw_hunter]

I will personally remember Obama as a gutless wonder who ran and won on a set of principles then folded at every turn. I could put a better spin on the Republican do-nothing Congress than he does! He makes good speeches, but not GREAT ones--- then, does NOTHING. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren; at least she has a pair...

The whole gutlessness of Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi makes me nauseous. Why is it the only progressives that have what it takes to push ahead are new (Liz Warren), Independents, (Bernie Sanders), or gone (Barney Frank)? All the rightys are petrified at what this administration has done; I'm disgusted at what they haven't done.

What would you like to see him do?

[Victor3]

.  Post modern USA is not what a socialist state looks like...its the opposite,,,,the only part of socialism that has increased is the part that socializes costs...
..TM7

 That's kinda what I've been telling people who ask me "where's all this 'socialism' you're talking about?"

We're paying for socialism but most of us are not receiving any of the supposed benefits of it.


 In CA, all the politicos talk about is how we need to pay more taxes (or "fees" as they like to call them now) to "save our schools," "protect our 911 services," "repair crumbling infrastructure," etc.


 What they never tell us is that the vast majority of new taxes go to prop up the unsustainable benefits promised to members of public employees' unions (which in turn fund the politicos' campaigns). It's a huge money laundering scheme.


 Only a tiny fraction of what we pay into the system here is used to actually improve anything for the general population; the schools still suck and I'm still running over the same potholes...

[George Foster]

nw_hunter, I would like to see Obama tell the republicans to KMA.  They and most on this board just wish to see him fail so I wouldn't worry about them.  He should do whatever he feels is best to do after all the people elected him to do just that.  I feel the same about anyone who is elected President as to what they should do.

[ChungDoQuan]

I will personally remember Obama as a gutless wonder who ran and won on a set of principles then folded at every turn. I could put a better spin on the Republican do-nothing Congress than he does! He makes good speeches, but not GREAT ones--- then, does NOTHING. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren; at least she has a pair...

The whole gutlessness of Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi makes me nauseous. Why is it the only progressives that have what it takes to push ahead are new (Liz Warren), Independents, (Bernie Sanders), or gone (Barney Frank)? All the rightys are petrified at what this administration has done; I'm disgusted at what they haven't done.

What would you like to see him do?

The list is so long... Pretty well everything that makes the right lose sleep at night. Tax reform--- especially closing loopholes, at least the ones he can do by decree. Making Medicare and Social Security sacrosanct would be another good one. Cut the military at least 50%. Stop the war on poor people commonly referred to as the war on drugs. Put Congress and the Senate on Obamacare, and cut their salary to 30% of what it is: they only (theoretically) work 30% of the time, anyway. Make Obamacare cover "alternative" medicine. Stop government subsidies. Reform the prison system, releasing non-violent drug offenders. Put a 100% tariff on goods manufactured by companies who moved overseas. In fact, make those companies form a trust fund covering wages for the employees they put out of work by moving overseas--- for at least 20 years--- or they do not get to do business in the US. Stop pulling his punches when he mentions right wing nut cases in his speeches. That would do for the first day...

[ChungDoQuan]

nw_hunter, I would like to see Obama tell the republicans to KMA.  They and most on this board just wish to see him fail so I wouldn't worry about them.  He should do whatever he feels is best to do after all the people elected him to do just that.  I feel the same about anyone who is elected President as to what they should do.

That's another good one!

[magooch]

Boy, it must be tough to be a lefty and have to live in the real world.

[Victor3]

Tax reform--- especially closing loopholes, at least the ones he can do by decree.

 The IRS accepts donations; you may close any of your personal "loopholes" at any time. When will you be mailing your check?

[Oldshooter]

Stop pulling his punches when he mentions right wing nut cases in his speeches.

Really........... and what is that supposed to mean. And what about left wing nut cases that make statements like that.

nw_hunter, I would like to see Obama tell the republicans to KMA.  They and most on this board just wish to see him fail so I wouldn't worry about them.  He should do whatever he feels is best to do after all the people elected him to do just that.  I feel the same about anyone who is elected President as to what they should do.

That's another good one!

Really, ......    I think he has done just that,  oh kma was not verbalized (not that we heard) but basically he has done everything he could do towards his agenda like fast and furious, letting illegals go, bowing and kissing the hands of the Saudi King. Killing cadaffy and setting up muslim brotherhood government. also in Egypt .  maybe he can go down and run Venezuela when his term is up and run that country by executive order.  No constitution there to slow him down. They already disarmed them there. Looks like he'd be a shoe in for eel presidente there, heck maybe the people will invite him down


In what way has he not done what he wanted to do.......oh that danged ole constitution again. Seems he said he wanted to change that in an interview way before he was elected. Let me see, I think he said he wanted it to say more about what the government could do than what the government could not do...yada yada yada........

[ironglow]

    Charlie McCarthy had no brains at all, in fact his head was solid wood...but Edgar Bergen was a clever guy, and very adept at handling Charlie !

[nw_hunter]

I will personally remember Obama as a gutless wonder who ran and won on a set of principles then folded at every turn. I could put a better spin on the Republican do-nothing Congress than he does! He makes good speeches, but not GREAT ones--- then, does NOTHING. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren; at least she has a pair...

The whole gutlessness of Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi makes me nauseous. Why is it the only progressives that have what it takes to push ahead are new (Liz Warren), Independents, (Bernie Sanders), or gone (Barney Frank)? All the rightys are petrified at what this administration has done; I'm disgusted at what they haven't done.

What would you like to see him do?

The list is so long... Pretty well everything that makes the right lose sleep at night. Tax reform--- especially closing loopholes, at least the ones he can do by decree. Making Medicare and Social Security sacrosanct would be another good one. Cut the military at least 50%. Stop the war on poor people commonly referred to as the war on drugs. Put Congress and the Senate on Obamacare, and cut their salary to 30% of what it is: they only (theoretically) work 30% of the time, anyway. Make Obamacare cover "alternative" medicine. Stop government subsidies. Reform the prison system, releasing non-violent drug offenders. Put a 100% tariff on goods manufactured by companies who moved overseas. In fact, make those companies form a trust fund covering wages for the employees they put out of work by moving overseas--- for at least 20 years--- or they do not get to do business in the US. Stop pulling his punches when he mentions right wing nut cases in his speeches. That would do for the first day...

Dang Chung! You didn't really believe Obama  or Romney would end the Bush wars, make any pay cuts to Washington welfare clients (AKA Congress),Stop the failing war on drugs and put a tariff on overseas manufactured goods......................Did you?

[powderman]

Dang Chung! You didn't really believe Obama  or Romney would end the Bush wars, make any pay cuts to Washington welfare clients (AKA Congress),Stop the failing war on drugs and put a tariff on overseas manufactured goods......................Did you? 

     HUNTER. About as much as believing obama wouldn't go all out to disarm the law abiding citizens. POWDERMAN. 

[ChungDoQuan]

I will personally remember Obama as a gutless wonder who ran and won on a set of principles then folded at every turn. I could put a better spin on the Republican do-nothing Congress than he does! He makes good speeches, but not GREAT ones--- then, does NOTHING. I wish we had Elizabeth Warren; at least she has a pair...

The whole gutlessness of Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi makes me nauseous. Why is it the only progressives that have what it takes to push ahead are new (Liz Warren), Independents, (Bernie Sanders), or gone (Barney Frank)? All the rightys are petrified at what this administration has done; I'm disgusted at what they haven't done.

What would you like to see him do?

The list is so long... Pretty well everything that makes the right lose sleep at night. Tax reform--- especially closing loopholes, at least the ones he can do by decree. Making Medicare and Social Security sacrosanct would be another good one. Cut the military at least 50%. Stop the war on poor people commonly referred to as the war on drugs. Put Congress and the Senate on Obamacare, and cut their salary to 30% of what it is: they only (theoretically) work 30% of the time, anyway. Make Obamacare cover "alternative" medicine. Stop government subsidies. Reform the prison system, releasing non-violent drug offenders. Put a 100% tariff on goods manufactured by companies who moved overseas. In fact, make those companies form a trust fund covering wages for the employees they put out of work by moving overseas--- for at least 20 years--- or they do not get to do business in the US. Stop pulling his punches when he mentions right wing nut cases in his speeches. That would do for the first day...

Dang Chung! You didn't really believe Obama  or Romney would end the Bush wars, make any pay cuts to Washington welfare clients (AKA Congress),Stop the failing war on drugs and put a tariff on overseas manufactured goods......................Did you?

I had HOPED he would--- I KNEW Romney wouldn't.

[Casull]

I had HOPED he would--- I KNEW Romney wouldn't.

            Guess I gave you a little too much credit.  Anybody with their eyes open knew EXACTLY what a POS obama was/is.