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Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« on: March 06, 2013, 06:21:44 AM »
Does anyone have any thoughts on the blued 700CDL versus the stainless  700CDL fluted?  Does one have an accuracy advantage over the other?

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 10:54:51 AM »
I'd say no advantage.  I have Remingtons with blue, stainless, stainless fluted, but none in the same caliber so I can't compair.  Fluting is purely cosmetic and serves no real purpose except to sell guns and charge a little more.
My 7's and 700's are very accurate.

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 05:25:26 AM »
Thanks for the reply,  I have severalv700's also and they are all accurate.  Was just curious about 1 stainless, and 2about the fluting.

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2013, 11:04:15 PM »
I believe the fluting on a barrel is there to give a stiffer barrel in the same contoure. And also dissipates heat faster.
In other words it will give you some of the benefits of a heavier barrel without the weight. At least that's my take on it.  ;)

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2013, 02:31:52 AM »
im with charles it may make it stiffer and dissipate heat but im guessing not alot in ether cases. Id say its there about 99 percent for looks.
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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2013, 03:59:31 AM »
The flutes give more surface to the barrel and would half to dissipate more heat just like the fins on a motorcycle head does.  ;) I have no idea how much but it must help some. I like them on a stainless barrel but don't believe they are cosmetically pleasing on a blued barrel. But then my appreciation of fluted may be because I have trouble handling heavy guns anymore.  :( JMO.

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 01:22:56 AM »
anyone have both a flutted and non flutted cdl that could weight them and maybe measure the barrel diameter. Id be curious to know if the use the same countour barrel on both. I know my 26 inch flutted 257 wby isnt real heavy but its sure not a featherweight either.
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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 04:10:36 AM »
Lloyd my cdl sf is a 257 Roberts with 24" barrel. It also has the short action. So I'm sure it liter than your long action 26" gun. I'll try to weigh it later today. It seems farely light to me.

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 11:29:21 AM »
If a barrel had fins on it like a spline, it would add more surface area, but that is not the case with arc shaped flutes. 
 
As for stiffness, removing metal from a barrel blank can only make it weaker.  It just removes a little weight.arrl
 
Barrel flutes are sort of like arcs.  Divide a the end of a round rod into 12 equal arcs (like a watch dial).  Turn the odd numbers arcs upside down and leave the even numbers arcs the way they were.  Now examine the external surface area of the rod.  It hasn't changed at all.   

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 11:30:42 AM »
If a barrel had fins on it like a spline, it would add more surface area, but that is not the case with arc shaped flutes. 
 
As for stiffness, removing metal from a barrel blank can only make it weaker.  It just removes a little weight.
 
Barrel flutes are sort of like arcs.  Divide a the end of a round rod into 12 equal arcs (like a watch dial).  Turn the odd numbers arcs upside down and leave the even numbers arcs the way they were.  Now examine the external surface area of the rod.  It hasn't changed at all.   

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 02:57:51 PM »
With stainless being so much harder to work with barrel life should be longer, and of course the benefit of not having to have an oily rag handy after every fondling, or hunting trip makes stainless look pretty good if accuracy is on par with blued models.  Many thanks for the feedback.  I hope to try stainless in the future, I just still cannot accept synthetic stocks.  I know they are stable, but also homely! 

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 03:06:42 PM »
Hogwaller,

All stainless is not the same. I know that a stainless weatherby will begin to rust after riding all day in the rain and a Remington will not. Of course they will all rust eventually but with the weatherby you better not put it to bed wet.  ;)

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2013, 01:55:26 AM »
I had just he oposite results. Only stainless wby i had was a 257 vanguard and it didnt rust. Where i get rust is in stainless sps remintons. My cdl doesnt do it but those matte finished sps guns sure do. Ive got an 06 and a 300 win mag and youd better keep oil on both of those rifles.
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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2013, 01:58:28 AM »
another thought if you dont like syn stocks is the LSS rems. Ive got two and i really like the looks of them. there a laminated wood stock with a stainless barreled action. they can usually be picked up for a couple hundered bucks less then a cdl. they have the stainless bdl barrled actions that have the smoother matte finish and dont tend to rust like the sps do.
With stainless being so much harder to work with barrel life should be longer, and of course the benefit of not having to have an oily rag handy after every fondling, or hunting trip makes stainless look pretty good if accuracy is on par with blued models.  Many thanks for the feedback.  I hope to try stainless in the future, I just still cannot accept synthetic stocks.  I know they are stable, but also homely!
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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2013, 02:40:03 AM »
My stainless synthetic weatherby was not a vanguard but was just marked weatherby. So I don't know about the vanguards, never haveing any real use experience with them. Only vanguard I ever bought was for a gift so I passed it on to the recipient unused.

But I assure you the weatherby rusted overnight in the tent. It was brutal weather as only southeast Alaska can be. After riding all day on the 4 wheeler with the gun in the rack. We went to bed in our tent that had quite a bit of water on the floor, so I put a duffel under my cot and placed the rifle on the duffel to keep it out of the water.

Next morning there were several rust spots starting on the action.  ;)

The browning jacket with gore tex vapor barrier and the cabelas dry plus rain pants both did their job and I was dry & toasty warm all day.

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Re: Remington 700CDL versus the 700CDL stainless fluted
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2013, 09:04:51 AM »
All else being equal, if you compare a fluted bull barrel to a non-fluted bull barrel, then you will notice a sizeable amount of weight reduction.  The thinner the barrel contour, the less you will notice the weight savings.  The deeper and wider the flutes, the greater the weight reduction.
 
As far as heat dissipation is concerned, I can give you some real world experience.  I have a Sendero Stainless Fluted (SF) in .300 Win Mag.  There was a guy at the range one day that had a Sendero, also in .300 Win Mag, but his did not have a stainless fluted barrel, instead it was just a black barrel with no flutes.  Honestly, it's been so many years that I don't recall if that was a stock gun, or if he had it customized, but I do remember that it had the same HS Precision stock as mine, and it also had a 700 action (except his was also black, not stainless).
 
In any event, I was similarly very curious about this "heat dissipation" thing, so we both took the same amount of shots in the gun booths right next to each other.  I was using Factory Ammo, and he was using his own handloaded ammo.  He told me that his load were not "hotter," meaning that he did not put more, or hotter, powder into his cartridges. 
 
So, after each shooting 5 shots during a warm Miami winter morning (around 84 degrees...and yes, during the dead of winter sometimes the temp is around the low 80s around 10am) within about the same time of each other, his barrel felt a little bit hotter to the touch than my barrel, and he came to the same conclusion.  Now, was this some scientific project?  No.  Did we have any "heat-measuring devices?" No.  All I can tell you is what I told you and, based on my own lay-person's real world experience, my fluted barrel was not as hot as his.  Now, is there a difference between a stainless barrel and regular black barrel?  I'm not a scientist...so I don't know. 
Again, all I can do is give you these facts, and you can interpret them any way you like.
Hope this helps.

Zachary