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Offline Norminator

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30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« on: March 06, 2013, 04:08:39 PM »
Can someone tell me about this "30-30 Basic 3 1/4 " cartridge. Not much on google. Today is the first time I ever heard of such a round.
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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2013, 04:15:12 PM »
I believe you are referring to 30 basic 3-1/4 which is a straight wall brass.  It's like a full length 45-120 length only in .30 caliber.  It has no shoulder, so isn't really a 30-30, but the full length pencil sized brass.  I believe there is a slight taper to it though.
 
 
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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2013, 04:29:54 PM »
Basic brass if full length brass that an entire family of cartridges can be made of, it comes in lots of different forms, 30 Basic is just one of them, there's also 405 Basic and 45 Basic, and another for rimless  in the form of .30-06 cylinder basic.

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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2013, 04:48:13 PM »
When will they make some 35cal basic brass with a rim? Think of the possibilities. ;)

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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 02:20:26 AM »
Quote from: -Dinny on March 06, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
When will they make some 35cal basic brass with a rim? Think of the possibilities. ;)

Thanks, Dinny

Like a .357 super duper Maxi...   ;D
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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 03:34:31 AM »
"Like a .357 super duper Maxi...   ;D"

I have the same question about the .38-55.  Would a longer case match .358 performance with a larger bullet? ???   

Why'd they stop at Maxi case length...anyone know?.  I have read that the .45-90 was the most efficient of the .45-70 family.  If that is true, perhaps the same applies to the .357 and .38s. ??? ??? ???

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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 04:10:09 AM »
I have a 45-90 sitting on the bench, place a 45-70 next to it and the bullet of the 90 basically sits at the top of the mouth of the 70, so the 90 is a 'full case o' powder' type of thing.
If you work out the proportions of dia/case capacity/bullet weight, etc using that as a guide you can maybe calc that out and create the '380 Uper'?
Mostly though, I think that the advent of the more powerful smokeless powder and the move to 'small bore' calibers did it in. The old timers held onto theirs but the young turks took up the 30cal.'s and if they needed more beans, maybe went straight to the 45-70. The schuetzen target shooters moved from the 45-70 to 38-55 to 32-40, etc. because they could shoot good scores longer with smaller calibers.
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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 04:50:20 AM »
Quote from: petemi on March 07, 2013, 03:34:31 AM
Why'd they stop at Maxi case length...anyone know?.   

Perhaps because it was a revolver round.  ;)

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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2013, 05:14:24 AM »
Stevens (100yrs' ago and more) had long, pencil like cartridges that worked well with black powder, I suspect not so well with smokeless. Anyway, they are long gone but if you have a Cartridges of the World reference they would be fun to look up. BTW, there was a cartridge back then that the 357 Max basically emulates too. Maybe that size, revolver cyl. length aside, is what gets the 'bang for the buck' with modern propellants?
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Re: A .38-55 Question
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2013, 05:27:35 AM »
Some of those are listed in the COTW link I posted, you can scroll that page.

Tim

Quote from: quickdtoo on March 05, 2013, 11:22:59 AM
Read my first reply and look at the 38-55 in the link I posted, its parent case is the 38-50 Ballard Everlasting. Here's a copy of the COTW with some of the old 38-?? rounds, they list a 38-35 Stevens Everlasting in which a couple 41 Colt rounds can be fired, but they're smaller diameter rounds also.

Tim

http://books.google.com/books?id=bjhy8uv196IC&pg=PA132&lpg=PA132&dq=38-35+stevens+everlasting&source=bl&ots=STLNBUyxyk&sig=xRir-q_MReT_ZqUyKCQPNMcA2-g&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g242UfCEA8TErQHJ5YGQAQ&ved=0CEEQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=38-35%20stevens%20everlasting&f=false
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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2013, 12:02:42 PM »
Quote from: gcrank1 on March 07, 2013, 05:14:24 AM
Stevens (100yrs' ago and more) had long, pencil like cartridges that worked well with black powder, I suspect not so well with smokeless. Anyway, they are long gone but if you have a Cartridges of the World reference they would be fun to look up. BTW, there was a cartridge back then that the 357 Max basically emulates too. Maybe that size, revolver cyl. length aside, is what gets the 'bang for the buck' with modern propellants?

I cannot remember the names, But back 100 years or so Australia had ''Kangaroo rifles'' chambered in long tapered cases simular to the 32-40 only longer, in many different calibers.

I have a couple in my collection.

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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2013, 12:37:52 PM »
Quote from: dave29 on March 07, 2013, 02:20:26 AM
Quote from: -Dinny on March 06, 2013, 04:48:13 PM
When will they make some 35cal basic brass with a rim? Think of the possibilities. ;)

Thanks, Dinny

Like a .357 super duper Maxi...   ;D

Exactly! I would like to call it a 357 ultra max. Making some 357 Basic brass 1.8+" would be a great start. ;)

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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2013, 12:44:19 PM »
The Maxi was first called a SuperMag, so ya'd have ta add the duper!  ;D

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_magnum
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Re: 30-30 Basic 3 1/4 !!!
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2013, 12:56:52 PM »
Quote from: quickdtoo on March 07, 2013, 12:44:19 PM
The Maxi was first called a SuperMag, so ya'd have ta add the duper!  ;D

Tim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_magnum

Those where in Dan Wesson guns. There name IIRC...

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