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Arkansas House overrides veto of bill that would ban abortions after 12th week  Published March 06, 2013
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  •   March 5, 2013: Sen. Jason Rapert, R-Conway, speaks in the senate chamber at the Arkansas state Capitol in Little Rock, Ark. (AP)
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. –  Arkansas lawmakers overrode a veto Wednesday and gave the state the most restrictive abortion law in the country -- a near-ban on the procedure from the 12th week of pregnancy onward that is certain to end up in court.
A day after the Republican-led state Senate voted to override Democratic Gov. Mike Beebe's veto, the GOP-controlled House voted 56-33 to do the same. Only a simple majority was needed in each chamber.
 
The vote comes less than a week after the Legislature overrode a veto of a separate bill banning most abortions starting in the 20th week of pregnancy. That bill took effect immediately after the final override vote, whereas the 12-week ban wouldn't take effect until this summer.
Abortion rights proponents have already said they'll sue to block the 12-week ban from taking effect. Beebe warned lawmakers that both measures are likely to fail in court and that the state would end up wasting money defending them if they became law.
The measures' supporters, who expected court challenges, were undaunted.
"Not the governor, nor anyone else other than the courts, can determine if something is constitutional or unconstitutional," Rep. Bruce Westerman, a Republican from Hot Springs, said in urging his colleagues to override Beebe.
 
Bill sponsor Sen. Jason Rapert, a Republican from Conway, watched the vote from the House gallery and said a number of law firms have offered to help the state defend the laws in court, if it comes to that.
"I'm just grateful that this body has continued to stand up for the bills that have passed. The eyes of the entire nation were on the Arkansas House of Representatives today," he said.
Beebe rejected both measures for the same reasons, saying they were unconstitutional and contradicted the 1973 Roe v. Wade ruling that legalized abortion until a fetus could viably survive outside the womb. A fetus is generally considered viable at 22 to 24 weeks.
"The Arkansas Legislature has once again disregarded women's health care and passed the most extreme anti-women's health bill in the country," said Jill June, the CEO of Planned Parenthood of the Heartland. "With this bill, the Arkansas Legislature will force many women to seek unsafe care."
 
The 12-week ban would prohibit abortions from the point when a fetus' heartbeat can typically be detected using an abdominal ultrasound. It includes exemptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother and highly lethal fetal disorders. The 20-week prohibition, which is based on the disputed claim that a fetus can feel pain by the 20th week and therefore deserves protection from abortion, includes all of the same exemptions except for fetal disorders.
Six Democrats joined with Republicans in voting to override the veto of the 12-week ban. Last week, only two Democrats voted to override the veto of the 20-week ban.
"I think a lot of people felt some pressure after the last vote," said House Minority Leader Greg Leding, a Democrat from Fayetteville.
 
The measure is among several abortion restrictions lawmakers have backed since Republicans won control of the House and Senate in the November election. Republicans hold 21 of the 35 Senate seats, and 51 of the 100 seats in the House. It takes a simple majority in both chambers to override.
Beebe has signed into law one of those measures, a prohibition on most abortion coverage by insurers participating in the exchange created under the health care law.
Rep. Ann Clemmer, a Republican of Benton serving her third term in the House, asked her colleagues to support the override attempt, saying her votes on anti-abortion bills this year were the first time she could fully express a pro-life stand at the Capitol. When Democrats held control, such bills never made it this far.
 
"If I say that I'm pro-life, at some point I have to do something about what I say I believe," said Clemmer, the bill's sponsor in the House.
Unlike the 20-week ban, which took effect immediately, the 12-week restriction won't take effect until 90 days after the House and Senate adjourn. Lawmakers aren't expected to wrap up this year's session until later this month or April.
 
In vetoing both measures, Beebe has cited the costs to the state if it has to defend either ban in court. The American Civil Liberties Union of Arkansas has vowed to sue if the state enacts the 12-week ban and the group said it was considering legal action over the 20-week restriction as well.
"I think today, for whatever reason, the Arkansas House turned its back on the women of Arkansas and said we don't think you're capable of making your own decisions," said Rita Sklar, ACLU of Arkansas' executive director. Sklar said the group planned to file suit in federal court in the next couple weeks.
Beebe noted that the state paid nearly $148,000 to attorneys for plaintiffs who successfully challenged a 1997 late-term abortion ban.
 
The original version of Rapert's bill would have banned abortions as early as six weeks into a pregnancy, but he changed the measure after facing resistance from some lawmakers worried that it would require the use of a vaginal probe.
Women who have abortions would not face prosecution under Rapert's bill, but doctors who perform abortions in violation of the 12-week ban could have their medical licenses revoked.

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Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
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Find ANY 3 year old. Show the 3 year old a picture of a 20 week or younger fetus alongside a picture of a newborn. Now ask the 3 year old to point to the baby. Case closed.  (So you think you are smarter than a 3 year old?)
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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Find ANY 3 year old. Show the 3 year old a picture of a 20 week or younger fetus alongside a picture of a newborn. Now ask the 3 year old to point to the baby. Case closed.  (So you think you are smarter than a 3 year old?)

I think I know what you mean, but I'm not sure. Exactly what are you saying?
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     I wonder if your parents would have recognized you at 20 weeks Chuyng Dung or what you turned out to be ??  Just curious since you are against NOT KILLING A FETUS.  Jason Rubert has a vary strong feeling abt. killing babies and so do I, however I really dont think it should be a Political Football.  Jim

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Comparing such a task to be given to a 3 year old is indeed a liberal idiocy. I wonder if he would let that same three year old decide whether to play in the yard, or the street? The logic on a three year olds realm of reality is about the same on both.
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Fetus is a libby word for baby. Sounds better to say, I terminated my fetus than to say, I murdered my baby. It's called libbyspeak. An old dr told a female wanting to get rid of her blob. If thats not a baby, you aren't pregnant. Good for Ark, it's a start. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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Find ANY 3 year old. Show the 3 year old a picture of a 20 week or younger fetus alongside a picture of a newborn. Now ask the 3 year old to point to the baby. Case closed.  (So you think you are smarter than a 3 year old?)

While your at it, why not ask the three year old what the word FETUS means in Latin. Reckon he'll say "off spring". ::)
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Find ANY 3 year old. Show the 3 year old a picture of a 20 week or younger fetus alongside a picture of a newborn. Now ask the 3 year old to point to the baby. Case closed.  (So you think you are smarter than a 3 year old?)


 ::) If this is the best you can do, you really should keep your hands in your pocket. I have been lenient with your posts, which at times could be seen as trolling.Your skating on thin ice here, and I'm really getting tired of it.Debate without the intent of flaming, or stay out of it.

For the rest of you guys.................Don't fall for his bait. He's had his last warning from me.
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I don't really see it as bait.
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Fetus is a libby word for baby. POWDERMAN.  ;D ;D

that's a silly political statement - it's a real word with real, specific meaning, and not what Pman thinks. Fetus is not a 'libby word' - it's a Latin root, meaning to bring forth or offspring. What is refers to, is the developing human or animal - for a human, the period between about 11 weeks and birth.

Calling fetus a 'libby word' is evidence of ideology in place education & understanding of the world
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Find ANY 3 year old. Show the 3 year old a picture of a 20 week or younger fetus alongside a picture of a newborn. Now ask the 3 year old to point to the baby. Case closed.  (So you think you are smarter than a 3 year old?)


 ::) If this is the best you can do, you really should keep your hands in your pocket. I have been lenient with your posts, which at times could be seen as trolling.Your skating on thin ice here, and I'm really getting tired of it.Debate without the intent of flaming, or stay out of it.

For the rest of you guys.................Don't fall for his bait. He's had his last warning from me.

 
HUNTER. Thanks. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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It'll be overturned in Federal court. The right is looking at this law as a victory, when the flaws are apparent in the article. The Arkansas law is basically the SAME as Roe v. Wade, except the restriction is at an earlier point in fetal development. When it gets to federal court, the state will have to prove why it's timeline, based on detecting the heartbeat with an ultrasound, overrides the minimum fetal viability age of 20 weeks. That will be hard to do, if not impossible. Meanwhile, if a single woman dies, or has other complications between 12 and 20 weeks, and says she wanted an abortion but was refused because of the state law, there will be massive lawsuits against the state.

My previous post was no more "trolling" than the posting of these FauxNews articles. In fact, I was trying to put my opinion in the simplest, black-and-white terms I could come up with. I understand that some people have religious convictions against abortions. I personally believe that, surely, there must be a better way to achieve birth control. However, I also do not want the responsibility of imposing my own beliefs on the rest of the world. To those who do not accept that, doing that is the same as imposing shariah law to someone like me. Do what you must.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

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My previous post was no more "trolling" than the posting of these FauxNews articles.
perhaps you came up against a protected species...
Jesus said we should treat other as we'd want to be treated... and he didn't qualify that by their party affiliation, race, or even if they're of diff religion.

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LIFE, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

 
DBLBASS. Do you mean that LIFE means BABIES too?? Seems libbies have a huge problem grasping that concept. POWDERMAN.  ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Mr. Charles Glenn “Charlie” Nelson, age 73, of Payneville, KY passed away Thursday, October 14, 2021 at his residence. RIP Charlie, we'll will all miss you. GB

Only half the people leave an abortion clinic alive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAiOEV0v2RM
What part of ILLEGAL is so hard to understand???
I learned everything about islam I need to know on 9-11-01.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDqmy1cSqgo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_u9kieqGppE&feature=related
http://www.illinois.gov/gov/contactthegovernor.cfm

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If a federal court does overturn this then clearly they have no respect for the Constitution that they are sworn to uphold:

Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

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I'm not going to argue religion on the political board.
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

"'Cause what they do in Washington, they just take care of number 1. And number 1 ain't you. $__t, you ain't even number 2!" Frank Zappa

The greatest idea the right ever had is personal responsibility; the greatest idea the left ever had is social responsibility. Both take effort.

The Founding Fathers had complete access to the Bible, but they came up with the Constitution as our governing document.