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A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« on: March 18, 2013, 01:56:47 AM »
Hi All,
Here is a link to a publisher in England who reproduces new books from old on most subjects from cannons ,coastal fortifications, artillary mounting including carriages and finally arms from muskets etc
Highy recommended, and the information to restore and build the carriage I am working on for a 68pdr came from these guys.
http://www.military-naval-history.co.uk/index.htm

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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2013, 03:43:11 AM »
I came across these folks a few years back... keep meaning to get an order together....
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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2013, 05:31:33 AM »
I came across these folks a few years back... keep meaning to get an order together....
I certainly recommend them, most of the stuff is original from books that were written by the likes of the Royal Engineer regiment and is basicly reprints of this material.

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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2013, 05:31:54 PM »
Good source of information...... Thanks for posting...... Gary
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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2013, 11:49:05 PM »
restore and build the carriage I am working on for a 68pdr
 
Sounds like a very fascinating project indeed, what type of 68pr? I was inspecting & researching a batch of 8" projectiles that were found locally recently, ammunition from long ago for 68prs of 95 Cwt  - upon delving into the subject it was surprising just how many different 8" projectiles existed, about a dozen for the mid 19th century.
I'm in Victoria, OZ, there were 30 x 68prs here at one time, several of their carriages still exist in various condition.
Adrian

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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2013, 02:57:11 AM »
restore and build the carriage I am working on for a 68pdr
 
Sounds like a very fascinating project indeed, what type of 68pr? I was inspecting & researching a batch of 8" projectiles that were found locally recently, ammunition from long ago for 68prs of 95 Cwt  - upon delving into the subject it was surprising just how many different 8" projectiles existed, about a dozen for the mid 19th century.
I'm in Victoria, OZ, there were 30 x 68prs here at one time, several of their carriages still exist in various condition.
Adrian
Hi Adrian,
The 68pdr we have is a Dundas Pattern shot gun (that is designed to fire shot rather than shell) this is an example of the largest caliber of guns of this type of gun produced in the UK, at the Low Moor foundry in 1869. it is 10feet and a 1/4 inch long and is the second longest of the Dundas range of 68pdrs, it is about 6 inches shorter than the longest produced.

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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2013, 09:57:27 AM »
A 10' 68pr barrel by my reckoning would then be the 95 Cwt weight pattern, generally known as the 68pr, 95 cwt. Does its engraved weight confirm this? What type of carriage are you working on, a garrison carriage, a sliding carriage?
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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2013, 12:04:05 AM »
A 10' 68pr barrel by my reckoning would then be the 95 Cwt weight pattern, generally known as the 68pr, 95 cwt. Does its engraved weight confirm this? What type of carriage are you working on, a garrison carriage, a sliding carriage?
Adrian
Hi Adrian,
I would need to check the engraved weight but I would guess the weight at  about 95cwt give or take a pound or so.
We are mounting it on a traversing carriage/sliding carriage of which at the moment the traversing part of the carriage is just about finished apart from a small amount of metal work to be installed. I have started to build the upper part of the carriage or sliding part and have just ordered some of the steelwork for this the rest of it we will make ourselves as we have our own forge at the fort.
Our biggest problem at the moment is the steel rails it runs on as we have the details of the radius from one of the books from D&P Publishing that I posted up recently.
We have approach most of the local steam railway museums and have managed to have donated two lengths of world war 1 rail track, this type of track is easier to bend than the more recent type as the flange on the bottom is a lot wider on the modern stuff.
The first piece is from memory about 27ft long and the smaller one for the front is about 16ft long these need to be curved to 70 degrees. We have managed to bend the longer one using a crows foot by hand but it took 6 of us over 7hrs to bend it and we had really tied ourselves out by the end of it. The trouble is with the shorter one the curve is a lot tighter and the general feeling is that this is not going to work with rail track trying to bend it without really heating it up at a steel mill which would cost a lot of money. So we are looking at other options at the moment for the front piece.
I have quite a good relationship with the army (Royal Engineers Regiment) who are based next to the fort and they help us out from time to time so I will be speaking to them to borrow a crane for lifting the carriage and barrel into position when the time comes.
So the only other thing will be to get the barrel proofed and then fire it.........
Due to the cost of the powder I guess this will only be fired on very special occassions to proof it I guess we will go up to about 25 pounds of black powder to proof it then we will then probaly only use up to 15 pounds of powder when we fire it. Either way it should make quite a bang when it goes off.........
I will try and sort out some pictures when I am next at the fort and post them up.
Rivercat

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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2013, 08:03:18 AM »
No idea what a crow's foot is but can you not setup some kind of hydraulic bending system?  Or maybe use lighter weight rail?  Or maybe have the rail group bend it for you.  Bending rail is part of railroading.
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Re: A good publisher for cannon and gun information
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2013, 11:32:09 PM »
No idea what a crow's foot is but can you not setup some kind of hydraulic bending system?  Or maybe use lighter weight rail?  Or maybe have the rail group bend it for you.  Bending rail is part of railroading.
I am afraid it is hard to explain what a crows foot is and I will try and post up a picture.
Well the rail group did bend it for us with a few of us volunteers from the fort doing all the work!!!!
From what the rail lads told us cold bending of rail track is a difficult operation for the sort of curve that we require for the carriage.
The amounts of curve that they put in the rail track for crossings etc is far less than we required at 70 degrees. It is very hard to do this by mechanical means as if the track is bent a large amount at a time then they tell us it would stand a good chance of it fracturing so you need to do a small amount at a time.
To be quite honest I do not think at the time we decided to do this carriage  what was actually involved in trying to bend rail track.