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Offline rebAL

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"safe" act ??
« on: March 19, 2013, 03:19:24 AM »
When NYers are forced to go through "background check" to purchase ammo in NY (Assuming there are still retailers willing to go thru the B.S) will records be kept or  be retained by NYS for their future gun confiscation records?  As I understand it federal NICS checks are not retained.

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Re: "safe" act ??
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2013, 04:14:29 AM »
rebAL:  I have absolutely no doubt that the state police intelligence service, if that isn't a oxymoron, will maintain a record of every single round of ammunition purchased that they can obtain.  I doubt it will be a NICS check, but rather a state type of NICS background check which would not be covered under federal laws and by which the state polezi will be able to maintain (as in keep for as long as they can) information.
 
For example:  let's say you own a bolt rifle in 223.  You see a great deal on 223 ammo at your local dealers.  You order 500 rounds and the dealer swipes your drivers license or pistol permit for a bacground check but it comes back denied because the state cops do not have you registered as a 'assault rifle' owner in that caliber and will not allow you to purchase the ammo until you either register your assault rifle or show them that you own another, more legal rifle, in that caliber.  javol mein herr, eh....
 
And yes, under benito kwomo's gun law you would have to undergo a background check every time you purchase ammo and the pure cop bullsh_t the state cops spew at these clarification sessions they hold across the state that they can recognize the difference between a sport shooter, competetive shooter and someone else is just pure lyin' cop bs.  This is their chance, their one and only chance to begin taking control of gun owners in the state.  If they cannot confiscate the rifles, thousands at a time, to disarm the populace, then they can deny them ammo to shoot. 
 
The most effective strategy considered is that in which we simply overwhelm the state police information services with massive purchases.  We can still probably purchase through the net although it will most likely have to be sent to our dealer and the dealer will conduct the background check, or conduct the check before ordering.  Rather than purchase 500 rounds of 22lr ammo, purchase 2,000; instead of buying just 500 rounds of 380 today, and next month something else, purchase it all at one time, if you can afford it.  Or, purchase your ammo out of state - the cops cannot check on that and will ahve no record of it.  Sort of like buying smokes and fireworks on your trips to and from Florida - no records kept.  Reloading supplies are not covered under the law and can be purchased openly.  I see a flourishing black market for ammo here.
 
And have no doubt that the bought and paid for state cops, formerly mere civil servants now turned nazi type intelligence gatherers will have absolutely no problem with storing any and all information they can obtain on ammo purchases and denying you the purchase of ammo you should be able to rightfully own.  But, I have said before that if and when I need a 'assault rifle', I will just get one from a cop and take his ammo to boot, and whenever I need more ammo, get resupplied when the cops get resupplied.
 
So, develop a relationship with someone who lives out of state and get your massive amounts of ammo from that source, or make trips to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Vermont or Massivetwoschmidts, all of which will probaly now set up gun and ammo shops right on the borders. 
 
This law of kwomos will last just so long and then the people will toss his sorry butt out, or hang him upside down like they did with benito mussolini. 
 
50 of 57 upstate counties have petitioned kwomo to repeal the act, but he is far too arrogant to repeal something he authored, so those counties refuse to comply.  That leaves the 5 nyc buroughs and 5 more upstate.  Forget nyc, that place has been a loss since the revolution when they finally dragged their sorry azzes into the war, after seeing that everyone else jumped in first.  As for those upstate counties that support kwomo, the next elections are coming more quickly than they imagine and we, as gun owners, had damned well keep up the pressure on kwomo until he loses his kewl and starts spitting all over himself. 

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Re: "safe" act ??
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2013, 05:34:27 PM »
   
 
   +1 Mikey   No .22 ammo at Gander Mtn, Watertown today. Cuomo has been refered to as Hitler Cuomo. In his aim to make a national name for himself, he will find out that on the national scene, people won't have him as president.
We are sick of dictators as it is. NY has the highest taxes in the nation.
Pistol permit control is being given to the state police where as it has always been under county jurisdiction.
Supply and demand will be met. Stupid Cuomo will lose more sales tax revenue as a result.
I don't smoke, but my neighbor pays $ 2.50 for a pack of ciggaretts. Supply and demand. Simple.
Do you feel any "safer" now?
 
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« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2013, 03:26:14 AM »
Hermit:  apparently, and according to the nysp when they give these bs info sessions, the counties will continue to have the authority to issue pistol permits (thank goodness for small favors) but the act just wants that information shared with the nysp so the nysp will know who has 'assault pistols' - you know, those evil scary looking things with front loading magazines and threaded barrels, so they can make certain they are registered and the nysp knows who has them. 
 
But, that's where the rubber duck keeps floatin' to the surface.  50 of the 57 upstate counties have said they will not enforce or comply with the law or spend one dime (Schoharie Cty) on this unfunded mandate, and have called for repeal.  Kwomo wants to drop a mere 36.2 million $ on this effort but won't spend another dime in upstate for counties still hurting from hurricane Irene, although he is spending evey damn penney he can get on nyc after hurricane sandy. 
 
It may be a long while before the nysp develops a computer system to categorize all the data they may or may not get and their files may well sit empty for a long time.  This law may also either be repealed or hopefully amended to apply to cities with populations of over 1 million, which means it would be headed to nyc and left there; then, when someone with a wee bit o brain makes another state out of that dump it can calim to have the highest population of unarmed fools in the nation, along with chicago and d.c. and if terrorists or criminals want to run roughshod over anyone anywhere those would be the places to do it.
 
I still think I'm more in favor of purchasing most of my ammo and supplies out of state and only use my local dealers for 22s and shotguns stuff..................

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« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2013, 09:17:54 AM »
Hermit:  apparently, and according to the nysp when they give these bs info sessions, the counties will continue to have the authority to issue pistol permits (thank goodness for small favors) but the act just wants that information shared with the nysp so the nysp will know who has 'assault pistols' - you know, those evil scary looking things with front loading magazines and threaded barrels, so they can make certain they are registered and the nysp knows who has them. 
 
But, that's where the rubber duck keeps floatin' to the surface.  50 of the 57 upstate counties have said they will not enforce or comply with the law or spend one dime (Schoharie Cty) on this unfunded mandate, and have called for repeal.  Kwomo wants to drop a mere 36.2 million $ on this effort but won't spend another dime in upstate for counties still hurting from hurricane Irene, although he is spending evey damn penney he can get on nyc after hurricane sandy. 
 
It may be a long while before the nysp develops a computer system to categorize all the data they may or may not get and their files may well sit empty for a long time.  This law may also either be repealed or hopefully amended to apply to cities with populations of over 1 million, which means it would be headed to nyc and left there; then, when someone with a wee bit o brain makes another state out of that dump it can calim to have the highest population of unarmed fools in the nation, along with chicago and d.c. and if terrorists or criminals want to run roughshod over anyone anywhere those would be the places to do it.
 
I still think I'm more in favor of purchasing most of my ammo and supplies out of state and only use my local dealers for 22s and shotguns stuff..................

Mikey,

I think you should just get your ammo from another state, like a previous poster suggested.   Screw the NYSP.    Better yet, I invite you to relocate to Florida, the GUNSHINE state.    Best of all --- no snow and no Komissar Cuomo.  Hence, no snowjobs.

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« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 02:27:04 AM »
Swampthing:  the Gunshine State - I like that and you are absolutely correct about no kwomo or snowjobs but hey, what about those two wacky Reps you have down there who proposed screwy laws - total ban on guns and something else - what, do they think they are in league with those idiot reps in ny???? 

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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2013, 04:00:58 PM »
With the new law the NYS Police  have broad powers It was reported on the news today the NYS Police are setting up a hotline for people to call in to report anyone who they suspect is in violation of the new law. The state police will then turn the information over to the local police. If the information turns out to be correct the person gets a $500 reward. Even if it is not correct the local and state police now have a file on you. I've already put my house up for sale and my wife and I have decided to retire to Nevada. This state really stinks with a capital S.

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2013, 06:17:17 PM »
With the new law the NYS Police  have broad powers It was reported on the news today the NYS Police are setting up a hotline for people to call in to report anyone who they suspect is in violation of the new law. The state police will then turn the information over to the local police. If the information turns out to be correct the person gets a $500 reward. Even if it is not correct the local and state police now have a file on you. I've already put my house up for sale and my wife and I have decided to retire to Nevada. This state really stinks with a capital S.
So what would stop you from reporting any one that has an Obama sticker on their car?  Say you saw them comming from a Wallmart in another state, they could have ammo in their car,  and you would not like to give your name , just doing the right thing for the Reich.

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« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2013, 01:16:08 AM »
1marty, mcwoodduck:  this new 'offering' by the kwomo gestapo for $500 for turning in someone with a 'illegal' gun was initaited last year as a means to control gang violence but now tied to the safe act creates the very 'hitlerian' society nazi Germany had in 1934 where and when good germans we encouraged to turn in jews or anyone else not in love with adolf. 
 
I know the nys chapter of the NRA has already launched a lawsuit against the safe act but this latest rub of offering $ to turn people in is about as bad as it can get.  The nonsense about being a anonymous tipster means that anyone can say anything they want and then state cops will then refer the information to the local authorities to investigate - but the failing here is that at least 50 (and the number keeps growing) of the counties or upstate Sheriff's have said they would not support the law, which means the state cops either don their jackboots and go lookin' themselves, or the job just doesn't get done. 
 
I think the job won't get done.  Yes, there will be instances where the state cops confiscate some assault rifles when they get a tip on something but they need to be aware that the nazi in albany has put a bullseye on the chest of every cop in the state and I think most of the Sheriffs understand that and are refusing to support a (very) bad law.  Also, kwomo does not likle being depicted as hitler - it totally screws his chances for any national showing in 16 and since hitlery herself will take center stage in 16, kid kwomo may well be out of a job, especially if and when a lot of the jewish people in this state realize he is just a hitler in disquise. 
 
I knew a Rabbi who spent 4 years at Auswich (sp?) and who still had his serial number tattooed on the inside of his wrist.  The man was non-violent but from experience knew what it means to be able to defend yourself, so I doubt even he would rail against someone like kwomo, thinking that nazi germany could not happen here; however, I will betcha dollars to a short skirt on Sarah Palin that the Jews for the Preservation of Freedom, a goodly militant group and quite vocal, will have a heyday come pre-election campaigning time depicting this little dictator as the hitlerian tyrant he is. 
 
They say that only one voice is not usually heard but many voices cannot be stilled and there are significant nubmers of us here in ny who want that little crap out of office.  If the corts do not side with him but side with us then he will either repeal or revise the law (like make it applicable to nyc only) or be impeached, and if he faces impeachment charges his is political history, just exactly what we want and are working for. 

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« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2013, 08:24:16 AM »
Hermit,
OFF topic but FYI, Ive gotten .22 at Van Tassel's 2 times in the last month. Nothing great, CB's and Shorties, but right now any .22 cant be passed up.
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« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2013, 09:07:56 AM »
Adolph Cuomo may have shot himself in the foot !  Since I am retired, about 3 -4 months ago I was contemplating opening a retail store.  This store would be handling outdoor stuff, including cutlery, camping/survival gear etc...but centered around ammo.  I had planned on selling enough to make good discounts for fellow shooters and being "the place" for rimfire fans to get those common as well as rare and/or exotic rounds..
         However; I don't want to join the state gestapo, keeping an account of everybody who buys a box of .22s
 
  It wouldn't matter anyway..if the "Adolph law" holds... because ammo sales will go to the reservations for those of us who live near reservations..and to bordering states for those who live anywhere near a border.
      Then too, when shooters travel..say to and from Florida..they will likely "load up" with ammo before hitting NY.
  I suppose the Albany spendthrifts will enjoy losing that tax money..
 
   I rather wonder if when there are huge sales figures coming out of the reservations...if the Pitman/Robertson tax will be paid for conservation purposes..
 
   Thanks Adolph !!! :o :P
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2013, 03:18:53 PM »
1marty, mcwoodduck:  this new 'offering' by the kwomo gestapo for $500 for turning in someone with a 'illegal' gun was initaited last year as a means to control gang violence but now tied to the safe act creates the very 'hitlerian' society nazi Germany had in 1934 where and when good germans we encouraged to turn in jews or anyone else not in love with adolf. 
 
 
I understand what the intent was, my point is how long will the Obama supporters and the Cumo supporters still support them after the police pay them visits looking for high cap mags being brought in state and ammo. 
How soon will the law be struck down as the police are racial profilling or are going after honest citizens and violating their 4th amendment rights. 
My point was you simply spend $150 for a month long disposable burner phone and make all kinds of phone calls ratting out liberals as potential violaters of the law, saying you saw them in a Wall mart in the sporting goods section out of state as you were getting a fishing license for your nephew, and are sure they were buying magazines and ammo and noticed them getting into a NY car.  (just happens to have an Obama sticker on it) 

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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2013, 05:20:07 PM »
MTNRGR thanks,
 
I'll try Van Tassel's this week.
 
 
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2013, 12:27:32 AM »
No problem. Good luck its hit and miss right now. I know Mary keeps some LR behind the counter, one of my buddies has been getting it from her. But he is a "regular" there and gets the special treatment. I'm not on that list. :'( :)  -Jason
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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2013, 04:08:56 PM »
I was quite surprised a lacky from my state senator's office called me after I wrote him about the stupid law. I had written to them that my C&R license is useless since the law requires everyone to go through a background check even if they posses a C&R license. He had no idea what a C&R license was and said any transfer of forearms must go through a state check. I told him to purchase a Curio and relic will now cost $100 plus extra since that's what these Fed firearm dealers want. After some discussion I told him he didn't have a clue what the law was about. Also I told him the law was written and voted on by a bunch of morons. He told me my state senator voted for the bill. I told him he's working for a moron. He hung up the phone.