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Offline rebAL

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deceitful negotiating tactic?
« on: March 21, 2013, 03:05:18 AM »
I was wondering if andy was planning on "Giving in" on the 7 shot clip knowing it would never fly and acting like a big "Reasonable" negotiator in order to sneak through the ammo purchase part of his scheme.  I believe the ammo scheme is even more damming to more sportsmen, not to mention small arms dealers.  Once NYS state knows who is buying what, they will know where the guns are. 

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Re: deceitful negotiating tactic?
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2013, 02:43:50 PM »
rebAL,
 You only wish! He knows there are no 7 round mags and he doesn't care. Now he's got a law to pay $500 to whomever
turns in someone who has illegal guns or magazines.
New York offers $500 reward for reporting illegal gun owners

ALBANY, N.Y. –  Nearly a year before  signing the nation's most stringent gun control measure into law, New York Gov.  Andrew Cuomo launched a hotline that allows state residents to report illegal  gun owners in exchange for a $500 reward.The measure is part of a four-pronged approach established by the governor's  office to reduce gun violence in urban communities, according to  CBS6Albany.com.
New Yorkers can call the "Gun Tip Line" if they believe someone they know has  an illegal gun. Hotline calls are answered by state police and tips are referred  to local law enforcement, the station reported.
“This initiative seeks to turn neighbor against neighbor and use their own  tax dollars to pay for the $500 reward,” Republican Assemblyman Steve McLaughlin  told the station.
Three police agencies contacted by CBS6Albany.com for comment said they have  not received tips from state police. Two of the agencies said they were unaware  the program existed before this week.
Cuomo and legislative leaders said after announcing a budget deal Wednesday  night that they will continue to discuss changes in January's gun control law  before a provision kicks in banning the sale of 10-bullet magazines.
The gun measure outlaws the purchase of any magazines that carry more than  seven bullets, the nation's most stringent limit. That would have put a severe  limit on the sale of guns with industry-standard 10-bullet magazines when the  provision of the law went into effect April 15.
"There is no such thing as a seven-bullet magazine. That doesn't exist, so  you really have no practical option," Cuomo said. He told reporters that any  suggestion this will be a rollback of the law is "wholly without basis."
Cuomo said the state needs to allow the sale of handguns and rifles with  10-shot magazines, but New Yorkers will still be required to keep no more than  seven bullets in them, except at shooting ranges and competitions. Violating the  seven-bullet limit is a misdemeanor but a violation if the magazine is in the  owner's home.
Cuomo minimized the cleanup now needed in the bill as addressing  "ambiguities" and "grammatical errors" and routine for complex measures. They  include exempting police and their weapons and allowing Hollywood to continue to  film violent movies and TV shows in New York using weapons outlawed under his  measure.
Tom King, president of the New York Rifle & Pistol Association, said the  move will affect gun sellers but does nothing for gun owners.
He says the group plans to sue this week to overturn the gun law, which also  banned sales of some formerly legal semi-automatic firearms and requires federal  background checks for private gun sales.
Although Cuomo said Wednesday that the gun bill was developed over months  within his administration, it was rushed to a vote in the Legislature after  closed-door negotiations Jan. 15. Cuomo issued an order approved by the  Legislature that suspends the three days' public review of all bills under the  constitution.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Chenango  >:(

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Re: deceitful negotiating tactic?
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2013, 03:02:12 PM »
umm im going to be ill!soon to come to a state near yu!

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2013, 01:47:35 AM »
I saw the news blip of prince andrew reminding allus stupid upstaters that keeping more than 7 bullets in a 10 round magazine is still inconsistent with his law, which he stated he has absolutely no intention of repealing.
 
In addition, the states division of criminal justice services re-issued language from the ny sage act offering $500 for any anonymous tipster who turns in or reports anyone who supposedly owns a assault rifle.  Sounds a lot like nazi germany in 1934 when hitlers propaganda minister urged good germans to turn in jews and others who did not support hitler. 
 
It seems that prince andrew is neither a scholar of history or of the Constitution, but rather nothing more than a greasy lawyer like his father. 
 
The director of public information (propaganda) at the division of criminal services is janine kava, whose work phone is (518) 457-8906.  I've already made my call, but if I were jewish, whether pro-gun or not, I would be crapping my pants right about now, just as any holocaust survivor would be, remembering what hitler did with the same type of information janine kava is offering $500 for.  This has got to stop.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2013, 06:02:40 AM »
I guess those videos portraying Hitler as Cuomo were a lot closer to the truth and not as funny as some thought.  Joe Biden said   it is nothing to do with the 2ND. Amendment, it is about safety. Well I got news for both of them it is about the violation of the 2ND. Amendment and does nothing to protect any one other than the criminal. I guess we are just to dumb to understand " shall not be infringed" . They are a bunch of IDIOTS and MORONS.

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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2013, 04:47:52 AM »
My point when posting the topic is that as bad and as stupid  as the 7 shot clip part is, the ammo tracking is actually more destructive to more gunowners and small arms dealers.  It could easily lead to fewer retail outlets, higher prices, and much more inconvenience to the public with absolutely nothing to do with safety while leading to an underhanded scheme for gun registration.  I have always thought the main objective of gungrabbers is to incrementally make it harder and harder for gunowners and gun dealers.

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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2013, 09:00:54 AM »
here is the plan plain and simple  jump up and demand everything,back off a couple points and everyone will be happy.  By the looks of the crowd at Syracuse Saturday, I am guessing people are happy with it.  I for one am not, but the majority will win out.  Kind of like gas prices they raise it 50 cents an two weeks people complain.  They back it back down 25 cents and everyone is happy again.  Umm you are still paying 25 cents more than a month ago.  This is how gas prices have went up as much as they have.  it did not happen over night.  Now this law will be in effect the same way.  Give people a little back they are happy sad sad sad.  I truly am ashamed.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2013, 12:22:35 PM »
People are hot on an issue but soon forget about it and go about their business. That is what politicians count on.  I used to know an old guy that worked in Albany, when I would comment about not voting for someone that had done a stupid thing his reply was that as far as politicians are concerned if it is at least 6 to 10 week from voting time it will be forgotten by the stupid voters. From what I have noticed I feel he was right.

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« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2013, 03:55:41 AM »
Bubba; I wish I had an answer on how to get people off their butts. We had a small rally in Catskill 4/13, they claimed 300 people, my guess 150  to 200. Not bad for a small town, but I did not see one person I knew or recognized as a fellow club member.  People just don't think they can do any thing or don't care.
But they will be the ones crying the most when all is said and done.

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« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2013, 01:04:25 PM »
We had a rally in Northern New York in Gouverneur on 4/13.  It is also a small town and we had between 800-1000 in the cold and wind.  I hope we can keep this going
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 02:32:16 AM »
bubba:  you're right, we definately need to keep this going but we need to ram it down his throat every single time, just as he rammed this law down ours.  It is one thing, fairly harmless to him, to hold small rallies in  upstate and other small places but we need another 10,000 strong loud and unfriendly rally in Albany.  The smaller upstate rallies are seen by this greaser as 'fringe' issues and since albany is his seat of power he does not feel threatened by these smaller rallies.  We need another really large and loud rally in albany to kick his 'seat of power' out from beneath him and set him back on his azz.  The closer we come to his seat of power the more threatened he becomes - why do you think he was on long island during the last rally when there were 10,000 of us in albany - because he knows that if he was in town or if he was called out to face us he would hae been humiliated and bullies cannot take humiliation.  He needs to be politically slapped around and deeply humiliated, he needs to be tripped up and embarrassed by his actions and sent into a tantrum, which will embarrass him even more. 
 
You're right, we cannot stop here and need to keep this rolling. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2013, 04:54:05 PM »
After seeing the republicans cave to the Dems probably because they didn't want to look politically incorrect I have pretty much have had it living in this state. I recently retired and was expecting to live out the rest of my life here. My ancestors have been NYer's dating back to the mid-1800's. Between the taxes and all the laws they've been passing-especially these antigun laws my wife and I have decided to move to Nevada. This is only the beginning of the anti-gun measures. I'm sorry to say the reality of the situation is that gun owners are "fair game" in NYS.

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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2013, 02:33:12 AM »
MArty:  gun owners, republicans, constitutionalists, conservationists, farmers, those of native birth and any of those who do not care to live in nyc have always been 'fair game' for the socialists in ny, especially those who verge closer to communism in nyc.
 
A lot of people think the only solution for them is to cut and run.  This is exactly what that greasy sob wants.  He did not give a brown squat about remington being offered incentives to move out of state - I think his exact words were - 'let them'. 
 
He now calls gun owners 'extremists' and I am certain he will use the term terrorist in concert with his intent to 'confiscate'.  I think that when that happens we need to go into a full revolutionary cadence and take action. 
 
If Tom King cannot get another large and vociferous rally organized or if he does and kwomo tells his OGS staff to close off the parking garages in albany to make it difficult for us then we willhave to do a bit more than ruin the lawns around the capital when we march on against his aggression. 
 
He has already turned his back on the gun issue, hoping that it will just 'go away'. It cannot stop here or stop now.  It must continue to bite him in the azz and to continue to chop away at his meglomanical plans for the white house.  Can you imagine that pos in dc?  Is there any reason but that to fight this creep  The best way to keep him out of dc is to crush his hopes for disarming law-abiding new yorkers.  We simply cannot stop now. 
 
My ancestry goes right straight back to the Revolution, to the Schoharie Valley and the Old Stone Fort.  There is no way I'm leaving, and I will fight.  See ya 'round. maybe.

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2013, 12:24:06 AM »
Just my opinion, but moving is not a solution.  You can not out run the federal govt, and this mess in NY is just a prelude of what coming nationally.  You can sit back and say it will never happen, but we never thought it would in NY either.  Somewhere and some time  you have to be prepared to stand up and fight rather than go to a new place and wait for it to happen there. 
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