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Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« on: March 22, 2013, 04:47:34 PM »
Here is what I am wanting.  A ultralight, compact bolt action .243 for some mountain hunts.  I have a couple of Superlight .243s by NEF. They have 20'' barrels and synthetic furniture around a 35'' total length.  Like to have more follow up shots.
Some options I have been looking at is an older M77 Ruger Youth, with a 17" barrel, also been looking at the Savage 11 youth.  Also been considering building a Remington 700 in .243, whereas I have a 20'' barrel. I have been looking at the Ruger American.  Really like the compact with a 18'' barrel, but it has a L.O.P of only 12.50'', so I would have to go over to the standard 22'' with the 13.50 LOP.
I am looking at a rifle capable of 100-125 yd shots.  Really like under 7lbs.  Any thoughts or recommendations are valued.

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2013, 06:48:52 PM »
I've had a couple of rifles that are conceptually similar to what the OP seems to be wanting -a Ruger M-77RL "Ultralight" in .250 Savage and a Savage Model 10 Sierra in .243.
 
I bought the Savage Model 10 Sierra in .243 used at a gun show about four years ago.  This was obviously a short action mated to a slim-profile 20" barrel with the metal being blued carbon steel.  The barrled action was fitted to a KEVLAR stock to make a blind-magazine rifle.  At the time, I had no independent interest in a light .243 and only bought it because the $200.00 asking price was too low to pass up and I figured I could flip it later for a profit, which I did after keeping it a couple of years.  At the time, it was the most accurate sporter-type bolt action rifle I had ever shot.  It grouped .550" or less with boring regularity.  It was my first and so far only Savage bolt action and mechanically, the only thing I didn't like about it was the bolt lift / cocking effort.  I'm not a huge fan of synthetic stocks because I don't like the way they look, but if beauty to the OP is found in function over form, he'd do well to consider snagging one of these Model 10 Sierras.
 
Currently, I'm shooting a c.1985 Ruger M-77 RL "Ultralight" in .250 Savage.  This is a short action with a slim profile, 20" barrel in polished blued carbon steel.  The stock is checkered walnut, but much more slender than the standard M-77R stock of the same period.  Advertised weight on these was 6.5 pounds.  Mine is fitted with a period Leupold 33mm Obj. 2-7X Vari-X IIc in the factory Ruger steel ring mounts.  It wears a simply nylon Mountain Sling carry strap.  I seriously doubt if it weighs over seven pounds, field ready.  It groups between .650"- .750" with factory 100gr. Remington fodder, and equally well with several different handloads including one that spits out 120 grain Sierra GameKings.  It is a delight to carry.  I don't even feel the thing on my shoulder when I'm carrying it on the strap, but I usually have the thing in my hands.  It is the same length overall as my Marlin 336c, so it is a compact, handy size.  Still, it isn't so light that it is insanely difficult to shoot from compromised field positions.  These were also available in .243. 
 
Between the two, I like the Ruger better.  I prefer the aesthetics of its polished, blued steel and checkered walnut stock with its contrasting forend tip.  The bolt lift / cocking effort of the Ruger is significantly less than that of the Savage.  The Ruger also has a hinged aluminum floor plate, rather than the blind magazine the Savage had.  It is probably a few ounces heavier, but it is still "feathery" to a guy who has mostly hunted with M-1903 Springfields and Ruger No.1-B's which aren't all that light.  I also vastly prefer the .250 Savage because I think it has even milder report and recoil than the .243 but allows for a probably insignificant extra bit of lead to be slung with every shot -120 grain handloads v. 100 grain.
 
Apart from the fact that I like the Ruger M-77 RL enough to make it my main thing for the stuff I use a centerfire rifle for, it has sentimental value because I bought it for my dad way back when and it was his main deer rifle until he had to give up hunting for medical reasons.  So, I'll never part with it.
 
But if I were looking for a replacement, I'd be leaning toward a Remington Model Seven CDL in .260 Remington.  This is conceptually the same thing as my M-77RL -a lightish, compact bolt gun in a mild recoiling but sufficiently powerful and flat shooting round, with a traditional blued steel and walnut aesthetic. 
 
I'm not sold on the idea that a rifle has to be stainless steel with a synthetic stock to withstand season after season of hunting use, and my 28 year old M-77RL kind of testifies to that, as it still shoots and presents as new, in spite of the use it has seen, which was pretty extensive for the first 12 years of its life.  My old Marlin 336 that I've had since I was eleven still looks and performs great, too.
 
The Model Seven is available in different finishes / stocking if you have to have stainless and plastic.  And you can it in .243 if you absolutely want to.
 
I mentioned my 336 and while it isn't a bolt gun, it is still a light, compact, rifle.  With Hornady LeverEvolution rounds or equivalent reloads, it shoots flat enough and hits hard enough for any hunting I care to do.  And mine groups those LE loads to 1.5" or less, so it is sufficiently precise.  Mine has been converted to a "button style" half-magazine so it is a little lighter, a lot less prone to vertical stringing, and still gives me 1+3 firepower that I have yet to ever need in the field.  I only mention this because a lever gun with a little gunsmithing can make for a nice, compact, fast-handling, relatively light, mild-recoiling but sufficiently powerful rifle, too...  Especially in .30-30 when paired with the gummy-tip bullets...
 
The Ruger American has about zero appeal to me personally because I think its UGLY with a capital "U".  But they are lightweight.  They feel about as light to me as my M-77RL is.  They are available in .243.  The standard ones don't seem too compact to me, though.
 
There is the New Ultra Light Arms offerings to consider, too, though I wouldn't because still want polished blued steel and walnut.
 
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2013, 01:41:19 AM »
JP,
Thanks for the in depth reply and comparisons between models and options.  I too, am a Ruger M77 bolt lover.  Whereas I own a few of the M77s and 77/22.  I too do prefer a traditional wood and blued rifle, but it seems to be a thing of the past with great quality and workmanship. 
I have found a youth/compact M77 in .243, walnut blued rifle with factory scope rings from Ruger. Plus I think it is a true youth with an approximate 17'' barrel.  I did send him a message to measure the LOP to be sure it wasn't too short.  A pretty nice rifle but the guy is pretty firm on the 625, price plus shipping plus me paying my FFL, plus putting a good quality glass on it... so the story goes.
The main question on the ''RL'' is that, does Ruger mark the RL model on the receiver with the M77 so you know what
I too do not like the new Americans, I do feel that they are rather Ugly as well.  But they are a shooter.  As well as what I think is the best buy in a rifle right now, and that is the Stevens 200.  My friends have had numerous various calibers in this rifle and with a little trigger work, I would challenge some high dollar customs to shoot as well as these.  With that said, ugly.  But Boyd's make a nice Walnut stock for them, but there goes the weight...
I would like to spend about a $100 per lb complete.  Hence a 6lb rifle, $600.  The better off I get in the rifle the better optics I can go with or visa versa.  Keep the feedback coming.

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 02:51:13 AM »
My vote would be for a Remington model 7, stainless synthetic. Their a little hard to shoot well because of the light weight but sure do carry nice.  ;)
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 03:20:05 AM »
I have a Mod 70 Featherweight in 243.  I'd probably vote for the Mod 7, but in 308.

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 11:20:12 AM »
Ive got a little stainless synthetic 20 inch barreled Model 7 remington in 308 that is one of may favorite rifles. It would serve you well in 243.
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 12:07:16 PM »
Remington model 7 , and don't overlook the Browning BLR.
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2013, 07:17:30 PM »
I have a Ruger Compact model 77 in 7mm/08.  Slick action, decent trigger, and accurate.  They have a 16 1/2 inch barrel, and a slightly shorter then average stock length (don't remember the exact measurement).  I am a 6'3, and have not had a problem with the stock length.  I just mounted the scope a little forward in the rings to avoid "scope eyebrow", and am usually wearing a heavy jacket when hunting with it, so it's length of pull works for me.  The rifle balances nice.
 
For a couple hundred more, the Kimber 84 is available in a walnut stock, weighs under 6lbs, and is a solid choice.  Barrels are 22 inches, and balance fine.  I have one in 308 and one in 7mm/08, and both are shooters.  The extra 5 1/2 inches of barrel length over the Ruger are not that noticeable except in the really thick stuff, and its nice to get the full velocity out of the cartridge you are shooting, though at the ranges you are talking about, a shorter barrel will work fine.
 
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2013, 02:42:40 PM »
Well guys, I have located a couple of compact (walnut, blued) Ruger M77's.  These have the 16.5'' barrels and the short LOP 12.5".  Both seem to be bringing top dollar, between 575-600.  I am also looking at some Model 7's, those are closer to 700.  I think I may just use one of my two NEF superlights in .243.  20" barrel, adult synthetic stocks, and about a 35'' overall length.  Until I can just find one of the above mentioned rifles local without shipping and FFL transfer fees. 

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 05:13:53 AM »
 I've found that even in the mountains, even though I've carried repeaters, 99.9 of my kills have been one shot and if they didn't drop, they were gone so fast I never had a second shot opp. Go with a Leupold Ultralight 2.5X or a Weaver V3 ( 1 to 3X) on your NEF and spend the rest of your money on ammo/reloading supplies, lol.

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 02:33:25 PM »
I've found that even in the mountains, even though I've carried repeaters, 99.9 of my kills have been one shot and if they didn't drop, they were gone so fast I never had a second shot opp. Go with a Leupold Ultralight 2.5X or a Weaver V3 ( 1 to 3X) on your NEF and spend the rest of your money on ammo/reloading supplies, lol.
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I completely agree with you about the repeater and lack of needing it.  I have never taken more than one shot on a deer ever.  This rifle is so sweet, and light.  I have one of my favorite Simmons ATV with AO ready to mount on it.  Going to order some Burris Signature Zee rings for it.  Got some custom handloads made for it for me to shoot to see what it will shoot well.  Sierra 75gr Varminters, and some 85gr Game King BTHP loaded as well both with 4350 powder.

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 07:20:12 PM »
The main question on the ''RL'' is that, does Ruger mark the RL model on the receiver with the M77 so you know what

The receiver just has the serial number and "Ruger M77" on the side.  You know it is an "RL" because it'll have a slender, 20" barrel, a slim, checkered walnut stock with a contrasting black fore-end tip...  L.O.P on these, going off memory, is 13.75" but is the same as the standard walnut stocked Ruger M77 of the period if my memory isn't so good.  So it feels kinda like shooting a full size gun, in that respect -at least in comparison to the later "compacts" with their short length of pull.
 
I've seen old M77 RL Ultralights like mine but in .243 fetch as little as $350-$400 in the same excellent condition mine is in.  So, they're out there...
 
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 07:29:25 PM »
I know the OP was originally interested in discussing light bolt guns in .243....
 
But just for "grist for the mill" and something to mull over, a Contender Carbine is VERY compact and weighs about 5.5 pounds, sans scope.  I had one of those, too, with .22RL, .22Hornet, .223 Remington, and 7-30 Waters barrels.  I used it pretty extensively for backpacking trips in pursuit of blacktail deer in California's fairly steep coastal mountains.  I had a different M77 RL Ultralight in 250 Savage at the time, but prefered the Contender Carbine because it was fairly thin, no bolt handle sticking out, etc.  And it was accurate enough.  I never missed the repeating firepower in the field.  Since the OP has a single-shot, he might not, either.  The 7-30 Waters is obviously not a .243, but I don't think a deer would notice the difference between getting killed by either of them.
 
Somthing to think about, anyhow...
 
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 12:49:49 AM »
The main question on the ''RL'' is that, does Ruger mark the RL model on the receiver with the M77 so you know what

The receiver just has the serial number and "Ruger M77" on the side.  You know it is an "RL" because it'll have a slender, 20" barrel, a slim, checkered walnut stock with a contrasting black fore-end tip...  L.O.P on these, going off memory, is 13.75" but is the same as the standard walnut stocked Ruger M77 of the period if my memory isn't so good.  So it feels kinda like shooting a full size gun, in that respect -at least in comparison to the later "compacts" with their short length of pull.
 
I've seen old M77 RL Ultralights like mine but in .243 fetch as little as $350-$400 in the same excellent condition mine is in.  So, they're out there...
 
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JP,
Thanks for the comparision.  I think this is the one I will hold off for.  The adult full length stock and 20'' barrel is what I'm looking for, especially at those prices.  The newer ones I run into is a 12.50 and 16 or 17'' barrel.  I like it but I am fearing the length of pull.  I may change my mind when I can shoulder one.
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 12:52:08 AM »
I know the OP was originally interested in discussing light bolt guns in .243....
 
But just for "grist for the mill" and something to mull over, a Contender Carbine is VERY compact and weighs about 5.5 pounds, sans scope.  I had one of those, too, with .22RL, .22Hornet, .223 Remington, and 7-30 Waters barrels.  I used it pretty extensively for backpacking trips in pursuit of blacktail deer in California's fairly steep coastal mountains.  I had a different M77 RL Ultralight in 250 Savage at the time, but prefered the Contender Carbine because it was fairly thin, no bolt handle sticking out, etc.  And it was accurate enough.  I never missed the repeating firepower in the field.  Since the OP has a single-shot, he might not, either.  The 7-30 Waters is obviously not a .243, but I don't think a deer would notice the difference between getting killed by either of them.
 
Somthing to think about, anyhow...
 
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Another great comparison, and even though the deer may not know the difference, but my choice and my resources allow the .243 caliber, so thats my choice... for now.
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 06:14:25 AM »
I have a Mod 70 Featherweight in 243.  I'd probably vote for the Mod 7, but in 308.

I have a Model 70 Featherweight too, still NIB, but a 243WSSM that I'd call easy enough to use in the thick stuff and for mountain carry.   They don't get much taller than the Rockies I hunted up and over most of my life packing full size rifles with no problems.   
 
I am a Ruger fan too, but only the old tang safety models, don't care for anything newer from them.   
 
So if I was looking, a Remy Mod 7 would probably be where I'd be looking as well.   Nothing wrong with a 243, they are very capable for deer farther than most folks will shoot them.   Have a viseo someplace of a buddies buddy who shot a running muley buck in the Rockies beyond 500 yards with his stock older Remy 243 (also used for long range digger varmints).   The Model 7's are great little rifles, although those I've shot were 17 Rem & 22-250 for P&V. 
 
Any of those "youth" models you are considering are easy enough to add LOP to... plenty of screw on thicker pads available out there to gain up to an inch and a half anyway, and the slide on "boots" as well.
 
 
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2013, 09:33:16 AM »
I have a Browning A-Bolt in 243 WSSM that is really hard to beat.  It is short, light and shoots like a dream.  I am loading 80 grain Barnes TTSX bullets at 3,450 fps.  That short action really makes for a nice rifle.

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #17 on: April 18, 2013, 01:09:11 AM »
I have a Rem: Mohawk 18 1/2" barrel short sweet gun and has to come in well under 6 1/2 lbs and it is a tack driver

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2013, 05:28:10 PM »
Have you looked at the Browning Micro hunter ? 20" barrel,  13 5/16"LOP comes in 6lb 2oz    love mine in 7mm-08

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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2013, 05:45:26 PM »
Well guys, I have located a couple of compact (walnut, blued) Ruger M77's.  These have the 16.5'' barrels and the short LOP 12.5".  Both seem to be bringing top dollar, between 575-600.  I am also looking at some Model 7's, those are closer to 700.  I think I may just use one of my two NEF superlights in .243.  20" barrel, adult synthetic stocks, and about a 35'' overall length.  Until I can just find one of the above mentioned rifles local without shipping and FFL transfer fees.
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  I have a Ruger American in .308 and am very pleased with it.  With an MSRP of $450..  one can be had in most places for $350 or less.  Mine is accurate and the American is steadily gaining a reputation for accuracy around the world.  The accuracy trigger is a free bennie at that price! 
  If the stock seems short on the compact model, it would be a simple matter to get the standard and have the barrel cut & crowned where you want it.  With the American, the price is reasonable because you are getting the benefits of up to date manufacturing techniques..more for less.
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Re: Wanting .243 short and light bolt gun for the mountains...
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 12:02:32 PM »
I did buy a safe queen 243 cal. 18 1/2" barrel
Remington Mohawk sweet little gun,took a huge deer last winter 150 yards plus ammo reloaded Barnes 85 gr. TSX man the deer took 3 steps and it was over.
I did recover the bullet weight it at 85 grains perfect peel mushroom 3 petals all in tack
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