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New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« on: March 23, 2013, 06:40:36 AM »
Hello Everyone, new to the forum and new to H&R/NEF. I just bought a SB323 .223 with a 24" bull barrel yesterday, haven't shot it yet. I did a lot of research prior to the purchase, especially on this forum, and others as well. One thing that I have noticed that a lot of people are saying about the .223 is that 50 grain bullets shoot a lot better than 55 grain in regard to sub 1" groups at 100 yards and possibly beyond. Is this the case a majority of the time or is it just a matter of what your particular gun likes? Also, just messing around with it last night I noticed when I loaded a bullet the top of the bore would shave a small amount of brass off, and it doesn't eject the round at all. Both of these issues I attribue to it being brand new and just needs broke in, am i correct on that as well. I would appreciate any thought on these issues.
Thanks and Glad to be a member,    Jason
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 07:25:56 AM »
Welcome to the forum.

Sorry but don't know which bullet/load your gun will like.

It may be an extractor especially if a newer gun.

Also 1:9 twist if newer extractor barrel.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2013, 07:29:43 AM »
Pretty much any gun you get is gonna have a preference of what round it likes the best my .223 is an older NEF ejector model and it prefers 55 grain PMC bronze rounds over anything else is I've put thru it. I can shoot a nickel 3 times in a row at 100 yards. As far as the not ejecting goes make sure you don't have a extractor model. An easy way to see if it is is to open it without a shell I. It and see if you can here it pop. I'm not real sure about the shaving of the brass but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to help ya there. Welcome to the forum and the start of an addiction  ;D
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2013, 07:36:37 AM »
'92
Thanks for the insight, it is a new rifle bought from the store yesterday, so not an extractor model I dont believe.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2013, 07:41:06 AM »
And as far as ammo goes, I know its shooters/gun preference and I'm not tring to open a huge can of worms, I just have a lot of brass  and was just wondering what others were having luck with in there H&R .223's
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2013, 07:41:09 AM »
Here comes Tim Quick with the faqs, bet he beats me ;D


I have a Superlite 1:12 I use 36 gr V.G.s mostly, A standard ext. I've loaded 50 grnrs. in but haven't tested it much yet, and a 24" HB ext that I haven't got around to yet. I was thinkin of starting with 55 grnrs in the H.B. If the 92 is build year I think it's an ejector 1:12 and you may need to clean it good. Depends on what you plan to shoot at and range, what weight bullet you might want to use. And what the barrel likes.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2013, 07:52:30 AM »
'92 is a real old "new" stock!!  ;D It will have a 1:12" twist if it has the original barrel and isn't an accessory barrel fitted later. If you can find Win White Box 45gr JHP, it's is the best shooting ammo you'll find, if not, try the 55gr Rem Green/yellow box(MSP ret's pic below). There are some other bullets weights that will shoot good in it, 64gr Win PP, 60gr Nosler Partition and 63gr Sierra #1370, all short for their weight and are known to shoot good in 1:12" Handis.

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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2013, 07:58:52 AM »
Every gun is an individual, but my bull barrel ejector Handi likes Remington 55 gr. for sub minute of angle groups.  Have had it for 6 or 8 years now.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2013, 08:00:12 AM »
Thanks Tim
I was hoping you would share some master Handi insight.
 
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2013, 08:10:14 AM »
 :) Tim it took me a minute but I just got (understood) your post, I am after all a dumb ass infantry grunt so naturally a little slow :o, its not a '92 i was just responding to brayh92's post, it is brand new "in the box", never fired SB2 323..........please forgive my lack of knowledge regarding anything H&R related.........I'm new here.  ;D
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2013, 08:12:38 AM »
Jason, If you haven't yet, look in the faqs at the top of the page. There are tons of info and answers in there.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2013, 08:14:28 AM »
I haven't yet but will, thanks for the tip
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2013, 08:15:22 AM »
Quote from: wolverine_1 on March 23, 2013, 07:58:52 AM
Every gun is an individual.

Truer words have not been spoken!!

We can tell you what many have had good luck with and whats worked for us. But what YOUR gun likes is up to you to find.

Now having said that...  ::) I have yet to see a 223 that dosent like a 52/53g Match bullet sparked with a CCI BR primer and a charge of H322 powder.

Here is what mine does;



Here is my rifle;



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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2013, 08:46:56 AM »
CW,
I am just looking for a solid starting point based on you guys' experience. This is the first single shot I have owned, and naively I'm sure, I expect it to be a sub moa shooter due to less moving parts, like all my bolts and levers. I know that the shooter and optics are both huge factors as well, im just trying to get a leg up on the ammo aspect.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2013, 09:27:08 AM »
i go along with tim on this one.


i had the older Handi in 223. the factory does NOT recommend more than 55 grain bullets in it's 1:12 twist rate.


my old Handi would shoot those dime sized groups right out of the box at 100 yds.


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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2013, 09:36:43 AM »
I have two 223 Handis, A TC Contender Carbine, A 12" TC Contender Pistol, and two Mini-14s, all do well with a load I got from the Hodgdon manual.  55gr SPR SP bullet, All Winchester componets.  I use Winchester cases, Winchester SR primers, 26.3gr Winchester 748 powder.   This is supposed to be a factory duplication load.  They don't list a starting load, or anything else, just this one load.   My H&R Ultra really does well on this load.

I looked at using Nosler 55gr bullets, but this load is .3grs over the Nosler Max. 
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2013, 09:55:08 AM »
Quote from: MTNRGR on March 23, 2013, 08:10:14 AM
:) Tim it took me a minute but I just got (understood) your post, I am after all a dumb ass infantry grunt so naturally a little slow :o, its not a '92 i was just responding to brayh92's post, it is brand new "in the box", never fired SB2 323..........please forgive my lack of knowledge regarding anything H&R related.........I'm new here.  ;D

My misunderstanding! :-[ "New" is relative, depends on how long it's been on the shelf, if it's got a CBA serial number prefix, it was made May 2008 or later, no way of telling unless you call and ask,  serial number prefix year codes can be found in the FAQs sticky, if it's an extractor barrel it's likely a 1:9" twist which will handle heavier bullets better than the 1:12", up to around 75gr.

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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2013, 09:59:14 AM »
Good to know, thanks, it is a CBA serial number.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2013, 11:10:07 AM »
Mine is a new Superlight extractor barrel barrel, 1 in 9 twist.  I know It would probably enjoy a heavier bullet, but I've been loading the same 52 gr. Hornady HPBT that I use in my 1 in 14 .22-250 because I have lots of them.  Both rifles spit them out where they belong, so I guess I'll stick with it for a while.  I don't hunt deer with either rifle, so I really have no need for a heavier bullet.  When I want heavier, I choose another rifle.  After the .22-250, the .243, 7mm-08, .308, .356, .38-55, .45-70...like that.  They're all sighted in with the best bullet and load that I've found for that rifle and I don't change anything....most of all, not barrels.....I change rifles.

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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2013, 01:10:02 PM »
Same here, I no longer change barrels, I change guns.  Every one keeps telling me I should use heavy for caliber bullets for the .223.  No thank you, I'd have to work up an entire new load.  That would also throw off the scope calibrations.  No thanks, One load for each gun and scope combination. 
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2013, 01:47:50 PM »
Quote from: petemi on March 23, 2013, 11:10:07 AM
Mine is a new Superlight extractor barrel barrel, 1 in 9 twist.  I know It would probably enjoy a heavier bullet, but I've been loading the same 52 gr. Hornady HPBT that I use in my 1 in 14 .22-250 because I have lots of them.  Both rifles spit them out where they belong, so I guess I'll stick with it for a while.  I don't hunt deer with either rifle, so I really have no need for a heavier bullet.  When I want heavier, I choose another rifle.  After the .22-250, the .243, 7mm-08, .308, .356, .38-55, .45-70...like that.  They're all sighted in with the best bullet and load that I've found for that rifle and I don't change anything....most of all, not barrels.....I change rifles.

Pete

Same here, each caliber has a optimal, this is known by common knowlege and trial and error. I find what works and stick with it, bigger game, different rifle caliber, longer distance, different caliber so on and so fourth.

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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2013, 03:22:10 PM »
Your gun is a 1:9 and can handle bullets up to the 68 BTHP... but I pretty much stick with the V-Max 55's, I am actually using the bulk 500 pack Z-Max bullets with identical results (cheaper)... after wolves specifically I shoot the 68 BTHP... not that the ZM 55's wont get it done... my new favorite powder is CFE-223... it blows away my old favorite loads, for velocity AND accuracy... 27.5 grains CFE under the 55 ZM in Win brass with CCI SR primers.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2013, 03:28:25 PM »
Roger that, this is strictly a range/coyote gun. Got a .338 Win Mag and .308 for my moose and deer. ;D I am already looking for a H&R .44 Mag, and I haven't even shot the .223 yet or any H&R for that matter. I think I'm already hooked, I'm a lifer now.
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so I guess I should look for a hole new set-up rather than the barrel accesory program, eh?
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2013, 03:29:52 PM »
Thanks Hoyt, good info.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2013, 03:30:41 PM »
My .223 Bull barrel goes about .31 C-C with 55 gr. Nosler Ballistic tips.  I've had nearly as good a luck with 52 gr. A-Max as well.
 

 
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2013, 03:33:22 PM »
Shoot, I'll take .31 all day. Thanks for the info
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2013, 03:36:18 PM »
I just read about that CFE 223, sounds like some good stuff for the lighter calibers, I will give it a try if I can find any up here in Upstate New York...the land of NO.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #27 on: March 23, 2013, 03:55:06 PM »
Anyone shoot or have any luck with M855 62grain, I've got a bunch of that. Seems a little heavy to me, plus the pressure might be to high for a .223 H&R. I know the factory recommends not using 5.56 in it. Thoughts?
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2013, 04:26:41 PM »
Quote from: MTNRGR on March 23, 2013, 03:36:18 PM
I just read about that CFE 223, sounds like some good stuff for the lighter calibers...
As good as CFE-223 is in .223... it is even better in .308 (which I see you have)... it blew away my old favorite loads.
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Re: New Guy with a question, 50 or 55 grain for a NEF .223
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2013, 04:30:31 PM »
Yeah I've got a Howa .308 love it. I am definatly going to try the powder now, I'm trying to get into the 1k club with my .308 and any advantage I can get I will take. Thanks Hoyt
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