GA toddler killed by 7 dogs in yard, mother, other adults in house.

[Dee]

As a matter of fact, in my opinion the "breed of dog" IS the main story line here. The pit bull IS LEGENDARY in this type of behavior. As for the child, the child is ALWAYS the greatest loss, but the pit bull, combined with fools for caretakers, CAUSED the loss. The pit bull breed, and this type of behavior of owners seems to go hand in hand. They continually trust a breed that cannot be trusted, and someone else pays for that foolish trust.
You can try to come out winner on this one all you want, but the story is about continued tragedy, with PIT BULLS and children.

[vabeachman]

  An absolute horrific tragedy. As a RN working at a inner city children's hospital I have seen many cases of pit bull attacks on children.  In virtually everyone, older children were teasing the dogs, the dogs broke free, the older kids ran,  the dogs then tore into anyone they could, the younger/slower kids. Having seven pit bulls in backyard, three adults were in living room, 18 y/o mom and the 2 young uncles.  Probably getting stoned.

[m-g Willy]

As a matter of fact, in my opinion the "breed of dog" IS the main story line here.

Ok  I'm done.
When you see a child mauled your main concern is the breed of dog, you and I are on two different wave lengths.
I can show you where trained shepherds turned on their own handlers and killed them.
But that doesn't matter.
You have a hate for the pitbull breed.
I have a hate for ANY dog that turns on a human.
And ALL dogs have a history of attacking humans.
The pit may account for more attacks than other breeds.
But you can also say that more handguns are used in crimes in the US than england.
Did you ever think that just maybe the reason pitbulls rate so high in human attacks is because most drugies ansd gangbangers favor these breeds?
What's strange is the fact that you can't see that you people that go after one breed of dog after a mauling are the same as those who go after a type of gun after a shooting!
 
 

[AtlLaw]

I got into this thread late but that's probably a good thing for me... I don't have to say much 'cause Dee has said it all!  All I have to do is give a +1   
 
I will add that one of my assignments with the Atlanta PD was as the supervisor of the K9 Unit (bomb detection dogs) at the airport.  Purely supervision, I didn't train or even handle a dog.  But I learned enough to know that Dee is spot on!  We used Shepherd's and (mostly) Malinois BTW.   
 
I have also often noted with interest that PB's seem to be the dog of choice amongst certain racial/socioeconomic portions of our society.  I don't know why that appears to be, but I'm sure there is some reason.   
 
But ya know, I think, as if anyone cares what I think...  that Willy is also correct.  He is just addressing the subject with a different emphasis or point of view.     Me, I can appreciate everything!    I've had dogs all my life: several mutts, a Collie, tea cup and toy poodles, Scotties, different breeds of pointers and hounds, a Rotti, Shepherds and now a couple of Great Pyrenees!     But I ain't never had no PB!   

[FPH]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pit_bull

[DDZ]

Maybe this thread should have been tittled"PIT BULLS KILL AGAIN"
I seen the story and thought how tragic that a (child was mauled.)
Others see the story and think( it's those pit bulls )
As if the breed of dog is the main story!
What matters people is that a child was killed by a pack of dogs!
Should it matter what breed it was?
For that sake does it matter if they were dogs, ground hogs or crazed skunks?
What matters when you start pointing fingers and dishing out the blame is that the child less than 2 years old should have never been allowed to get outside ,,dogs or no dogs!
A 2 year old could just as easy gotten out into traffic and killed without supervision.

I think it has very much to do with what breed of dogs did the killing. My guess is this child would still be living if the owners chose to own a different breed of dogs. I would never think twice about my grandkids being alone with my shepherd/border collie mixed breed. The dog is very protective and I know for a fact it would never harm them. Now if I owned a pit bull I'd have to be off my rocker to let it alone with my grandkids. Pit bulls didn't get the name pit bull just by chance. They were breed for fighting, period. Just my opinion, but I see people that choose to own pit bulls, do it as a status thing. You know kind of like "look at me I'm a tough guy, don't mess with me I own a pit bull".  I know there are people that breed them to make money, but why would someone want to own one and call it a pet?

Wonder why Michael Vick didn't choose labs,collies, shepherds, beagles, or great danes for his dog fights?   
 

[m-g Willy]

I think it has very much to do with what breed of dogs did the killing. My guess is this child would still be living if the owners chose to own a different breed of dogs. I would never think twice about my grandkids being alone with my shepherd/border collie mixed breed. The dog is very protective and I know for a fact it would never harm them. Now if I owned a pit bull I'd have to be off my rocker to let it alone with my grandkids. Pit bulls didn't get the name pit bull just by chance. They were breed for fighting, period. Just my opinion, but I see people that choose to own pit bulls, do it as a status thing. You know kind of like "look at me I'm a tough guy, don't mess with me I own a pit bull".  I know there are people that breed them to make money, but why would someone want to own one and call it a pet?

Wonder why Michael Vick didn't choose labs,collies, shepherds, beagles, or great danes for his dog fights?   
 

The parents of this little girl said that the girl used the pitbulls as a pillow and they never showed aggression toward her ,,,before!
You might want to rethink leaving your grandkids with that shepherd collie mix.
Since 2002 there have been 10 fatal maulings by german shepherds and shepherd/mix dogs.
I know in that time span that pitbulls accounted for more fatalities.
But I doubt the parents who lost a child to a lesser breed would find any comfort in that stat.
And according to TRIVIA LIBRARY  A study was made that covered 27 years in the NY area and the findings was out of the top 9 dogs that bite humans the most,, the german shepherd was number one on the list.
So go ahead and trust any dog you want around you.
But please don't trust ((((( ANY)))) of  them around small children!
 
 

[DDZ]

I'm not going to argue why I know my dog would not harm my grandkids. I just know it wouldn't. If there were no dogs that couldn't be trusted around kids. Kids would grow up without the joy of having a dog as a pet. There are a number of breeds that I would not own because of their aggressive nature, and pits are at the top of the list. 

I didn't look it up but do you think that the reason shepherds account for the most human bites by a dog breed, is the fact that people own a way larger number of shepherds compared to pit bulls. If you want to compare look at percentages.

I bet every owner of a pit bull that attacks someone says the same thing. "oh he never showed any aggression.  I cringe every time I hear someone say that about their pit bull. They attack and kill because they are pit bulls.
Go back and reread Dee's post #5

[m-g Willy]

1.I'm not going to argue why I know my dog would not harm my grandkids. I just know it wouldn't..........................
2.I didn't look it up but do you think that the reason shepherds account for the most human bites by a dog breed, is the fact that people own a way larger number of shepherds compared to pit bulls. If you want to compare look at percentages.

3.I bet every owner of a pit bull that attacks someone says the same thing. "oh he never showed any aggression. 
 4. They attack and kill because they are pit bulls.

 
1. I bet this is said about every  family dog no matter what the breed is.(notice that the girl mauled used the same dogs as pillows)
2. And if you look at the largest percent of people that own pits,, are wannabe badasses, gangbangers and drug dealers.(PEOPLE WHO TRAIN THE DOG TO ATTACK)
3.I bet every owner of any breed of dog says the same thing about their dog ....after it attacks someone!
4. They attack and kill because it is instinct for---ALL DOGS ! If not, then please explain how the german shepherd killed ten people in the last ten years.
Most were family dogs,the other shepherds were trained service dogs that killed their owner handlers!!!
And you let your grandchildren play with a known killer breed?
I hope you never have to say "Gee  they have never done that ,,,before!!!!"
 
 

[mechanic]

I'm not a dog trainer / handler.  I've owned dogs.  I've been bitten by dogs, most often my own.  I had a terrier mix that would attack my dad for yelling at me, but when I tried to give him a bath, he turned on me.  He was a 20# dog, so the worst I got was bit.  I've been bitten by beagles, while trying to doctor them when they were hurt.
 
If the dogs that bit me were 100# like my daughter's shepherd, I would have been BADLY bitten.
 
Dogs act on instinct, not reason.  They don't think like humans.  We can't treat them like people, and we shouldn't think of them that way.  They are animals, not that different than their wild ancestors.  We can breed out some of the wild but not all.  To interact with them, we must be dominate.  AND we should never trust our children to a large breed animal.
 
The largest dog I ever let my kids have was a miniature poodle. 
 
I can't understand folks trusting toddlers around large breed dogs, ESPECIALLY dogs bred to fight.
 
Ben

[turk762]

It seems as if some are having a hard time giving credit where credit is due. A pack of pitbull killed a 2 year old child, chalk one up for the pitbulls. NO if, ands, or buts. This cannot be disputed.
Can you blame guns for gun crimes? Knives for Knife attacks? You blame the nut job that did it! The parents are to blame for allowing the child to live with a pack of potentially dangous animals.
The facts prove Pits can and will kill. That is proven. Heed the warning.

[m-g Willy]

It seems as if some are having a hard time giving credit where credit is due. A pack of pitbull killed a 2 year old child, chalk one up for the pitbulls..........
The facts prove Pits can and will kill. That is proven. Heed the warning.

So do you think those people who are killed by shepherds and other breeds of dogs,, are happy knowing that at least it wasn't a pitbull that mauled them to death?
 
 

[DDZ]

There have been 7 fatalities by dogs so far this year, and all 7 have been committed by pit bulls. Every year pit bulls are at the top of the list by far in killing people, yet they only make up 5% of the dog population. Rottweilers hold the #2 spot.

I don't disagree that other dogs bite people, but generally other breeds bite once to get their point across. Pit bulls attack, maim, and maul until their victim is dead.   

[dakotashooter2]

Most pit bull owners will tell you their dog has never bit anyone...... until you start talking to their friends and find out the truth. A very large percentage of pit bull owners/handlers get bit.............. they just won't admit it........................
I've been bit a few times buy my own dogs (springers) and will admit that every time I was probably to blame.

[m-g Willy]

Most pit bull owners will tell you their dog has never bit anyone...... until you start talking to their friends and find out the truth.

 
I don't know the pitbull owners you do, so I can't say anything  about them lying about their dogs.
I never owned a pitbull,, but I have friends that do.
I almost had a pit once when a stray wondered into the yard.
If a dog ever could compete as a body builder ,, this guy would be a winner,,, all muscle !
I had two beagles one male and one female.The male had nothing to do with the male pit.
The pit started to sniff at the female and she snapped at him.
We were standing on the back porch at the time.
The pit instantly was on top of the beagle.
He didn't bite her, but just straddled her with her on her side.
I didn't know if he was going to bite her or not, so before he had a chance
I kicked the pit in the ribs and he cleared six steps and landed on his side on the concrete.
He was up in a flash and was looking at me like (what's up?)
I went down the steps and he just stood there wagging his stub wanting to play some more.
I decided to see how much he would play.
I grabbed him by the side of the face an shook him lifting his front feet and then his rear feet off the ground.
I finished by throwing him off to the side.
He came back at me and I pushed him off with a forearm to his head.
I then ran about 5 yards in to the yard.
That started his chase instincts!
He came at me at about 1/2 speed
 When he jumped I stepped off to the side and hit him with another forearm in the side .
He started the circling and comming in and jumping at me, with me side stepping and hitting him away each time.
His circling and charges got faster and harder with each charge.
I was side stepping and really laying a hit on him where he would jump up at about 5' off the ground and I would side step and really give him a thump in the shoulder and ribs to where he would land on his side or pile up on his head!
He never quit!
This went on for at least 15 min.
I was getting tired.
So I hollered at him at his last charge.
He stopped with his tongue hanging out about a foot, and walked over to me, then bit me easy on the hands trying to get me to play some more.
I would have kept him, but he was just to strong to be allowed around the grandkids.
And this was just a stray!
I know one couple who has a pit that treat it like their child.
(THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS)
Another friend has 4 pits that he uses for coon dogs.
They get so exicted when we let them out of the truck that at times they are biting at each other before we can turn them loose.
I can grab them by a leg or collar and pull them from the small riot they are in and never been bit by one.And I'm not the owner!
Would I trust any of these pits around my grandkids?
NO!
Would I trust a well trained seeing eye german shepherd around my grandkids?
NO!
A dog is a species that is born with chase and hunt instincts.
No matter how well trained ,,those instincts can still surface.
Examples being ,, some of those german shepards that killed their owners were trained service dogs.
I just hate seeing people demonize a dog.
I'm old enough to remember when the german shepherd was the demon killer dog that was in every junk yard.
I knew a guy that had a white german shepherd that he used as a watch dog for his garage.
The dog was in his pen one day when the guys kid was giving the dog a drink of pop through the fence.
The dog grabbed the bottle and pulled it out of the kids hands.
Then he bit the bottle and busted it and started eating the pieces!!!
We were about 12 at the time and just stood there watching.
We knew that dog was nuts and no one was about to try to stop him.
He lived about two days after that .
The kid never told his old man what the dog did!!!!
Did this make me think all german shepherds were killers?
NO!
But I knew they, as well as every other breed COULD BE!
I never said people should trust a pit with their kids life.
I'm just saying don't trust your kids or grandkids or anyones kids life to any breed of dog.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Shu]

It's the parents not watching that precious child. They can own a pack and have everybody over but can't pay attention to a child. Pathetic.
 
I have been bitten by several dogs in my life time. A few military working dogs. That was nothing like the pit bull my friend had. I walked into his garage while he and the dog were there, it jumped and latched onto my forearm. I beat on its head and it wouldn't let go, I stuck a screw driver through its throat and into its brain. 100 stitches later for me and my friend was mad becuase I killed his dog. It never attacked anyone before either. Say what you want about them I would rather face any dog than a pit. They have just been over bred without care for blood lines becuase of profit. So you do get some problems.

[FPH]

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/Dog+attack+stats+with+breed+2012.pdf  Interesting stats.  I believe the 6 dogs formihg a pack also played a part.

[turk762]

It seems as if some are having a hard time giving credit where credit is due. A pack of pitbull killed a 2 year old child, chalk one up for the pitbulls..........
The facts prove Pits can and will kill. That is proven. Heed the warning.

So do you think those people who are killed by shepherds and other breeds of dogs,, are happy knowing that at least it wasn't a pitbull that mauled them to death?

Doesnt matter, this time it was pit bulls, add the number to pit bull stats. 7 pit bulls=1,  2 year old with crappy parents= 0.
 Facts are facts, sorry if it was the wrong breed of dog for you, this is not my fault, it was the 7 pit bulls and the crappy families fault.
 

[m-g Willy]

Doesnt matter, this time it was pit bulls, add the number to pit bull stats. 7 pit bulls=1,  2 year old with crappy parents= 0.
 Facts are facts, sorry if it was the wrong breed of dog for you, this is not my fault, it was the 7 pit bulls and the crappy families fault.

It doesn't matter?
You mean that since they were not killed by pitbulls it doesn't matter to you!
It doesn't matter to you when a child is killed by a shepherd or a boxer?
The thread was started because a child was mauled to death.
And some seen it a good time to demonize a breed of dog.
Maybe everyone should have cats as pets  and do away with every breed of dog that was ever involved in a human killing,,,,.seeing as cats don't seen to kill humans as often as the demon species of dog!
If you are so scared of a dog then stay away from them.
Some people are scared of guns and think the same way as you do about dogs.
 
 

[Dixie Dude]

I've had several collies.  I have never heard of a collie hurting a child.  Ours would go in between children and adults they didn't know including children they didn't know and bark a the adult.  They instinctively protected the children because of their sheep herding instincts.  My kids were out front playing and someone came by with a walking stick.  She ran out and grabbed the man by the arm and he dropped the stick, she let go and began barking.  Didn't break the skin, but she was only trying to protect the kids from what she perceived as danger.  Border collies I have heard of biting, but not a collie.  She was a very smart dog.  When I brought her home, she opened the gate with her nose and walked right out.  Locked it, and she either would climb the fence or dig under.  Never could keep her in the back yard. 

[turk762]

Doesnt matter, this time it was pit bulls, add the number to pit bull stats. 7 pit bulls=1,  2 year old with crappy parents= 0.
 Facts are facts, sorry if it was the wrong breed of dog for you, this is not my fault, it was the 7 pit bulls and the crappy families fault.

It doesn't matter?
You mean that since they were not killed by pitbulls it doesn't matter to you!
It doesn't matter to you when a child is killed by a shepherd or a boxer?
The thread was started because a child was mauled to death.
And some seen it a good time to demonize a breed of dog.
Maybe everyone should have cats as pets  and do away with every breed of dog that was ever involved in a human killing,,,,.seeing as cats don't seen to kill humans as often as the demon species of dog!
If you are so scared of a dog then stay away from them.
Some people are scared of guns and think the same way as you do about dogs.

What doesnt matter, is the fact you are whining that it could have been any dog, fact of the matter is, this poor innocent child was torn to shreds by your beloved pitbulls. 1 pitbull/ 0  for the dead child, thats the score. This goes into the stats for the Pitbulls, doesnt matter what you think or feel.
 
I am not scared of dogs. I am often armed and will not hessitate to defend myself, family, or others from any animal, wild or domestic, pitbull or poodle.  Keep your dogs locked up!
 
Oh, and P.S.
 Guns are controlled by humans and have no mind of their own. Dogs do have minds of their own and will do things without any human guidance, including killing or maiming children or adults. (Incase, you didnt know the diffrents between the two and feared GUNS)

[m-g Willy]

What doesnt matter, is the fact you are whining that it could have been any dog, fact of the matter is, this poor innocent child was torn to shreds by your beloved pitbulls.
 
I am not scared of dogs. I am often armed and will not hessitate to defend myself, family, or others from any animal, wild or domestic, pitbull or poodle.  Keep your dogs locked up!
 

I'm not defending the pitbull.
I'm saying ANYDOG has the instincts to kill.
It is just your fear that keeps you from seeing that ANY dog could have done this.
Instead of saying the parents are nuts to have a small child able to come into contact with a pack of dogs,.
You only see a pitbull!!!
Face it,,, you are deadly afraid of the pitbull breed.
Where I played and rough housed with a stray pit ,, you would have shot it!
Your fear of the pitbull shows in your complete lack of concern for those who was killed or mamined by other breeds!
You might think I'm defending the pitbull breed.
But I feel the same about every breed of dog.
I've been a dog lover all my life.
But,,, I know that  all of them are of the same species.
And I would never leave any breed of dog with a small child alone.
 
 

[turk762]

HMM, I dont recall saying I am scared of pitbulls and pitbulls alone. Not sure where this came from. I am not scared of dogs, a dog is a animal, if I am threatened by one, just like when I hunt bear or in bear territory, I will shoot it.   
 
I do have a healthy respect for all potentially dangerous animals and trust none of them. I would not call this fear.
 
 I have three young children (around the age of this child) and would not trust any dog around them. I agree any dog could have done this, but the fact of the matter is it was a pack of 7 pits that did the deed. What was the child doing living in a home with 7 dogs that stats. show they are dangerous.
 
If these dogs are trust worthy, why is this child dead?
It wasnt a pack of poodles or lap dogs.
 
My point is, there is no point in arguing the fact that it WAS pitbulls that killed this child. That can not be argued away.
 
 

[m-g Willy]

1.I do have a healthy respect for all potentially dangerous animals and trust none of them.
 
2. I have three young children (around the age of this child) and would not trust any dog around them.
3. I agree any dog could have done this, but the fact of the matter is it was a pack of 7 pits that did the deed. What was the child doing living in a home with 7 dogs that stats. show they are dangerous.
 
4.If these dogs are trust worthy, why is this child dead?

 
5.My point is, there is no point in arguing the fact that it WAS pitbulls that killed this child. That can not be argued away.

1.100% agree
2.100% AGREE
3.100% AGREE
4. I never said this breed was trust worthy,, I just said NO breed is 100% trust worthy.
5.I never said it wasn't pitbulls that was guilty in this case.
I knew if we went at it long enough we would see eye to eye somewhere along the line.
 

[DDZ]

Funny, I was sittin at my puter reading the last couple posts of this thread, and I over hear the news on TV saying about a local man bitten in his face by a pitbull. He was at a coffee shop sitting outside and was petting a pitbull owned by someone else. He said the dog seemed like a nice mild mannered dog, then it just lunged up at him and bit him on his face that required 12 stitches to repair. This dog wasn't part of a dog pack. It was a lone pitbull being petted, and it acted just like a typical pitbull.   
Yes any dog could have done this, but the fact is that most dogs don't do this, and when you hear about a dog doing this, its almost always a pitbull. I don't care how you look at it, pitbulls are by far at the top of the list for attacks on humans. Pitbulls are dogs, but they are far from being just like any other dog.

[turk762]

1.I do have a healthy respect for all potentially dangerous animals and trust none of them.
 
2. I have three young children (around the age of this child) and would not trust any dog around them.
3. I agree any dog could have done this, but the fact of the matter is it was a pack of 7 pits that did the deed. What was the child doing living in a home with 7 dogs that stats. show they are dangerous.
 
4.If these dogs are trust worthy, why is this child dead?

 
5.My point is, there is no point in arguing the fact that it WAS pitbulls that killed this child. That can not be argued away.

1.100% agree
2.100% AGREE
3.100% AGREE
4. I never said this breed was trust worthy,, I just said NO breed is 100% trust worthy.
5.I never said it wasn't pitbulls that was guilty in this case.
I knew if we went at it long enough we would see eye to eye somewhere along the line.

100% agreed.
 

[nw_hunter]

1.I do have a healthy respect for all potentially dangerous animals and trust none of them.
 
2. I have three young children (around the age of this child) and would not trust any dog around them.
3. I agree any dog could have done this, but the fact of the matter is it was a pack of 7 pits that did the deed. What was the child doing living in a home with 7 dogs that stats. show they are dangerous.
 
4.If these dogs are trust worthy, why is this child dead?

 
5.My point is, there is no point in arguing the fact that it WAS pitbulls that killed this child. That can not be argued away.

1.100% agree
2.100% AGREE
3.100% AGREE
4. I never said this breed was trust worthy,, I just said NO breed is 100% trust worthy.
5.I never said it wasn't pitbulls that was guilty in this case.
I knew if we went at it long enough we would see eye to eye somewhere along the line.

100% agreed.

We can argue this until the proverbial cows come home, and the facts remain........Pit Bull type dogs killed this child left unattended by careless and irresponsible adult owners of these dogs. I say Pit Bull type of dog, because the AKC doesn't recognize them as a full breed.Dogs can be  dangerous animals. The powerful types like the Pit,Boxer, mastiff,GS, Rotts,and others are even more dangerous in some situations because of their power and temperament.
The Gang Bangers and other brain dead people have taken the Pitts, Rotts and other dogs like them and made a status symbol out of them. The old......"Yea I'm Bad" syndrone.I don't know what the answer to this problem is, but taking one breed out of the gene pool will not change the situtiation IMO .Another will take it's place. Perhaps a cougar or Griz on a leash for the really (I'm bad ) crowd. I guess we could start by making it illegal to belong to a gang or  being a poor excuse of a parent, and pass a law to sterilize all that are Take a while to clean up the gene pool though!