why are you NOT in the libertarian party??

[45-70.gov]

i think they are about as close to the best party  know  of
and was once in this party for 20 years


do you think there is a better party....even one that can't win either?


i am not in the LIBETARIAN party because they have NO chance to win


being   right doen't make them win........nothing you beleive in matter if you don't win
and they don't even come close to winning


i am registered republican......hopefully  if enough libertarians  voted in  republican primaries
the  RINOs  would realy be ''libertarians''
but  any one with an ''L'' after his name  will ONLY  hurt conservitive republicans

[Dee]

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being   right doen't make them win........nothing you beleive in matter if you don't win
and they don't even come close to winning

[/quote]

I think what I believe in is far more important than winning. Being wrong and still winning, isn't winning. Tradin one form of socialism for another isnt winning. It's being a coward, and voting out of fear.

[45-70.gov]

you  are correct  DEE....we  mostly just disagree on how to acheive it


but in the end  what we both  want  is almost the same thing

[Swampman]

If you can't win, it doesn't matter what you think or believe.  Only someone that can get elected can correct our course.

[Gary G]

If you can't win, it doesn't matter what you think or believe.  Only someone that can get elected can correct our course.

Someone that can get elected will never change the course. They have been vetted and bought. They should just wear price tags around their neck.

They are soon to run into the law of economics and that will change the course.

[Dee]

If you can't win, it doesn't matter what you think or believe.  Only someone that can get elected can correct our course.

How's that workin for ya Swampy?

[Empty Quiver]

I most closely aligned to the libertarian philosophy. I am able to gag and then accept the Republican stance on a few issues which need not be brought up here.


I do believe it is important to first win. I would rather share a couple slices of my peach pie than beg for a slice of pumpkin, from someone else.

[Swampman]

If you can't win, it doesn't matter what you think or believe.  Only someone that can get elected can correct our course.

How's that workin for ya Swampy?

I'm going to quit voting because I don't care anymore.

[vabeachman]

I am a registered independent.  Can't vote in primaries, so what?  I believe in voting.  May take awhile to change things, too many Americans expect perfect change overnight.  Its just so funny to me that the only things the two parties can agree on is higher taxes and less rights. 

[Oldshooter]

Its just so funny to me that the only things the two parties can agree on is higher taxes and less rights. 

      Exactly!

[Dee]

If you can't win, it doesn't matter what you think or believe.  Only someone that can get elected can correct our course.

How's that workin for ya Swampy?

I'm going to quit voting because I don't care anymore.

Swampy I think your decision to stop voting is a wise one.

[nw_hunter]

If you can't win, it doesn't matter what you think or believe.  Only someone that can get elected can correct our course.

How's that workin for ya Swampy?

I'm going to quit voting because I don't care anymore.

Swampy I think your decision to stop voting is a wise one.

 

[45-70.gov]

I am a registered independent.  Can't vote in primaries, so what?  I believe in voting.  May take awhile to change things, too many Americans expect perfect change overnight.  Its just so funny to me that the only things the two parties can agree on is higher taxes and less rights.

i  assume this means you are happy with the choices in the general elections

[Dee]

I'm not happy with'em but Republicans are willin to settle for less so they naturally get less. Blameing this on folks that refuse to compromise their values because YOU think you have the key to the solution isn't productive. Your way is what got us here. COLLECTIVELY speaking.

[vabeachman]

Haven't been satisfied with the democratic republican party for a long time.  Keep voting for them, that's is what you will get.   I have choice.  I vote third party. The devil takes away choice, keep voting for the democratic republican party.  The democratic republican party's main agenda is to stay in power.  The democratic republican government seizes private citizens land willy nilly and then gives them to business and foreign governments.   

[Awf Hand]

Had a conversation with a Libertarian once about wildlife management for hunting or fishing.  The opinion is there should be no government ownership of lands. It would also seem the belief is, if you own the lake or the land on the lake you own the fish in it to do with what you'd like, from leaving alone to selling by the pound, as it is your commodity.  Ditto hunting grounds.  I can't imagine what that would look like if fast-forwarded a number of years.

[Empty Quiver]

Had a conversation with a Libertarian once about wildlife management for hunting or fishing.  The opinion is there should be no government ownership of lands. It would also seem the belief is, if you own the lake or the land on the lake you own the fish in it to do with what you'd like, from leaving alone to selling by the pound, as it is your commodity.  Ditto hunting grounds.  I can't imagine what that would look like if fast-forwarded a number of years.

Seeing as how they won't be given a new continent to conquer I don't see that as a likely possability. Have you seen the Democrats when in complete control eliminating hunting, guns fishing, religion, private business, or any of a myriad of other things that they should by all accounts have done?


The constitution was pretty thorough in making it very hard to implement change easily and most especially quickly. Witness the current gun mess. Given time calmer heads prevail, but change is possible witness racial divides and environmental destruction.

[nw_hunter]

Had a conversation with a Libertarian once about wildlife management for hunting or fishing.  The opinion is there should be no government ownership of lands. It would also seem the belief is, if you own the lake or the land on the lake you own the fish in it to do with what you'd like, from leaving alone to selling by the pound, as it is your commodity.  Ditto hunting grounds.  I can't imagine what that would look like if fast-forwarded a number of years.

I can! The private sector outshines the Government in everything it does.
Take Ducks Unlimited for instance. It takes in 180,000.000 every year and over 80% goes to habitat conservation.They have established over 12.8 million acres of wet lands for water fowl.

How about the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation? Started by four hunters from Montana.Since 1984 the RMEF has helped to open 6.2 million acres of habitat. Larger than Yellow Stone, Yosemite, Grand Canyon and Glacier National parks combined.

The Whitetail Deer were almost non existent in the 30's back east.Now they are everywhere because of Sportsmen (NOT) Government and their work to bring them back. Some places have so many, they have almost unlimited seasons. I can imagine what it would look like if the private sector hadn't been involved to restore habitat and game animals.

[Empty Quiver]

Government entities had a bit of something to with restoration and game laws. But sportsmen were the reason they were given / allowed the authority to do so.


I don't believe there would be anything approaching our national parks system were it not for a National Parks System. Simply witness the State of Texas and the public hunting opportunities there. I also realize there are some pretty outstanding private hunting opportunities in Texas, but at what cost to the hunter?

[nw_hunter]

There is a balance that needs to be maintained. If the Feds had complete control, there would only parks where NO hunting or recreating could happen.

[Anna]

It doesn't seem to matter anyway , our elections are corrupt. No matter who runs or how popular
they are they will win nothing if they are not a part of the inner circle so to speak.
I would think the last two presidential elections have thought us that fact by now ,
Sure its been going on even before that but they don't care to even hide it anymore .
I am part of the Christ party, and he has been around a very long time and always wins .
God was once the supreme leader over this country even the president answered to him by law.
Notice what's been happening since that has changed ?
We may as well nominate something like the toilet party ,at least that would be the truth .
 

[Guy Pike]

It's simple, really. I am not a member of the Libertarian Party because I AM a Libertarian.

[45-70.gov]

Haven't been satisfied with the democratic republican party for a long time.  Keep voting for them, that's is what you will get.   I have choice.  I vote third party. The devil takes away choice, keep voting for the democratic republican party.  The democratic republican party's main agenda is to stay in power.  The democratic republican government seizes private citizens land willy nilly and then gives them to business and foreign governments.

vote 3rd party or stay at   home......either way makes your irrelevant  when/IF they add up the score


vote in the primaries and you  MIGHT  help us have a better choice in the general election


i live in a closed primary state....what are your state rules for the primaries???

[45-70.gov]

t doesIn't seem to matter anyway , our elections are corrupt. No matter who runs or how popular
they are they will win nothing if they are not a part of the inner circle so to speak.
I would think the last two presidential elections have thought us that fact by now ,
Sure its been going on even before that but they don't care to even hide it anymore .
I am part of the Christ party, and he has been around a very long time and always wins .
God was once the supreme leader over this country even the president answered to him by law.
Notice what's been happening since that has changed ?
We may as well nominate something like the toilet party ,at least that would be the truth .

t doesIn't seem to matter anyway , our elections are corrupt.





in the whole sceme of things you are correct
last tow elections  they had a communist  and what ever else we call obumer
we had a liberal big spendering war hero  in 04
then  a flip flopping business man  in 2012
both  times  we had  poor turn out  in the  rigged primaries
and  i have a problem with people that won't even try
then  a poor turn out  in the general election  mostly because  of the poor turn out in the primaries
''so how is that working  ''  is often  ask
IT  WORKED REAL  WELL  FOR OBUMER AND THE DEMOCRATS


and like you said
''[size=78%]t doesI[/size][size=78%]n't seem to matter anyway , our elections are corrupt.''[/size]

[vabeachman]

open in va. 

[vabeachman]

there wasn't any third party candidate.  I believe when people pretend that there is a difference between republican leaders and democratic leaders they are just fooling themselves.  I dislike this country running any debt.  Republicans overlooked the quadrupling the deficit under Reagan and the same for the Bushes.  Now that we have President Obama, the democrats are overlooking his taking away our freedoms.  If you are really concerned for this country you will not defend deficit spending, social engineering, increasing taxes, and loss of freedom by any political party.   It seems to me that republicans think that if their party controls the executive office it is ok, same goes for the democrats.  The democratic republican party is not the answer.  Even the Tea Partiers are not standing up for individual property rights,  I had hope for them, but when they decided to caucus with the Republicans they became bought and paid for. 

[Oldshooter]

http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2004/06/defending-the-reagan-deficits

[joeinwv]

If all you do is vote for the lesser of two evils - you are voting for evil.

See also: Boehner, John

[vabeachman]

Kinds of proves my point about looking the other way when your party is the one in power.  And I was doing alright in 1980 as a young man.  Just got married and bought a new house. The Soviet Union was going to collapse anyway.  Many commodities and necessities have also surged in price to wipe out any real income gain.  I don't believe in wall street, too many crooks and nowadays the only way to make money is to bet on the stock going up or down, many companies don't pay any dividends, don't care much for gambling.  Many of the jobs were just government jobs or government contracted out to subcontractors.  Just a whole lot of social engineering.  And lets not forget Iran Contra and the slick accounting system they used then (used Social Security as an asset, but did not use Social Security outlays as an expense.).  And I voted for him twice, bush sr. twice, and rob dole.

[Casull]

Hmmm, why am I not in the libertarian party?  Maybe because even their poster boy, Ron Paul, isn't.  He is, after all, a Republican.