why are you NOT in the libertarian party??

[nw_hunter]

Hmmm, why am I not in the libertarian party?  Maybe because even their poster boy, Ron Paul, isn't.  He is, after all, a Republican.     

Ron Paul Believes in the Constitution and upheld it in office.He ran as a Republican in Texas to win a seat to represent others who still believe in the Constitution.His mentor and close friend (The Late) Probably. I say probably because his body was never found, Larry McDonald, was a Democratic Congressman from Ga, and a leader in the John Birch Society. He like Paul was a believer in the Constitution first. It probably cost him his life.The two parties were the same to him.Both corrupt at the national level.They both have or had very strong Libertarian beliefs. Something most of the Founders who gave us the Constitution held .They were the first Libertarians. The Republican party at one time had quite a few Libertarians in it.
Today it would appear it only has two, and one of them retired Ron Paul "IMO" was not a poster boy for the Libertarian Party. If he was a poster boy at all, it would have been one for the Constitution.

[Oldshooter]

Well typed nw_hunter!

[Dee]

Welllll we can't be havin anyone who votes 100 percent of the time for the Constitution&Bill of Rights. That would mess everything up. We gotta stick to the 2 party system. It's the only way we can effectively give our country away.

[nw_hunter]

Welllll we can't be havin anyone who votes 100 percent of the time for the Constitution&Bill of Rights. That would mess everything up. We gotta stick to the 2 party system. It's the only way we can effectively give our country away.

And the system works on most

[45-70.gov]

open in va.

at least you can help us get a better candidate


but  so can liberal democrats help choose the republican candidates

[ironglow]

Hmmm, why am I not in the libertarian party?  Maybe because even their poster boy, Ron Paul, isn't.  He is, after all, a Republican.     

Ron Paul Believes in the Constitution and upheld it in office.He ran as a Republican in Texas to win a seat to represent others who still believe in the Constitution.His mentor and close friend (The Late) Probably. I say probably because his body was never found, Larry McDonald, was a Democratic Congressman from Ga, and a leader in the John Birch Society. He like Paul was a believer in the Constitution first. It probably cost him his life.The two parties were the same to him.Both corrupt at the national level.They both have or had very strong Libertarian beliefs. Something most of the Founders who gave us the Constitution held .They were the first Libertarians. The Republican party at one time had quite a few Libertarians in it.
Today it would appear it only has two, and one of them retired Ron Paul "IMO" was not a poster boy for the Libertarian Party. If he was a poster boy at all, it would have been one for the Constitution.

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So NW,  Does that mean you voted for (gasp) a Republican?    I guess then that you and I operate about the same way; vote not for party but for the best candidate available..  I further consider whether they can possibly win.
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    I rather like being an independent, even though I seem to have most affinity with  the Tea Party.
 
  So why am I not a Libertarian?  I do agree with most of their points, except I also have a "moral compass", and it does indeed seem that Libertarians would like to ignore that such a thing as values and morals even exist.  Personally, I maintain that a moral compass is the root of both law and order, without such a nation cannot continue to exist.

[45-70.gov]

IG....are you in an open or closed primary state???

[Casull]

He ran as a Republican in Texas to win a seat

 
 
 
Very, very well said nwhunter.  I believe that right there covers it.

[45-70.gov]

whether we like it or not  will not change the fact  that to hold office[some don't call it winning]
you must join a party........there  are a few exceptions....joe liberman for one
ron  paul  knows that  nad  that  he is a asset  in my view to the republican party
the republican  party  would be  a sorrier bunch with out  him
i am  sure  he  thinks  little of joinning the communist democrats


i think the republican party would be  a lot better  off  with  more TEA PARTY  and  others  to consolidate  more solidly


OBUMER  is in office today  because the democrats got out to vote  in a consolidated  way
they ran the buuses to get people  out
and  in some cases  even  raised the dead.........but many of us were too picky to vote for the flip flopping business man....and allowed them to elect a communist

[vabeachman]

I think the primaries should all be held on one day.  Like the National Election. By the time the Republican primary moved to Pa., NY, Del, Con, and RI, Romney had it all sewed up and only about 33,000 voted from all five states voted in the Primary.  Setup a primary date, let them duke it out before hand, have a primary election on one day for all voters.  I think the turnout would be much better.  The voters on states that hold their primaries late don't really have much of a voice. The voters in the early primary states generally determine the candidate.

[ironglow]

IG....are you in an open or closed primary state???

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  Closed as tightly as the minds of the big shots in both major parties here.  I can't vote in the primaries.

[Oldshooter]

 

The voters on states that hold their primaries late don't really have much of a voice. The voters in the early primary states generally determine the candidate.

Happened to Texas last year. Romney would not have been my 4 th choice.

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IG....are you in an open or closed primary state???

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  Closed as tightly as the minds of the big shots in both major parties here.  I can't vote in the primaries.

i wish  you  would.....as i respect you input and vote

[45-70.gov]

I think the primaries should all be held on one day.  Like the National Election. By the time the Republican primary moved to Pa., NY, Del, Con, and RI, Romney had it all sewed up and only about 33,000 voted from all five states voted in the Primary.  Setup a primary date, let them duke it out before hand, have a primary election on one day for all voters.  I think the turnout would be much better.  The voters on states that hold their primaries late don't really have much of a voice. The voters in the early primary states generally determine the candidate.

i am certainly with you  there


maybe  ome one  will chance that one day
it might get him started in the primaries  if he supported it
be nice if you voted int the primaries  if such a person ran as a republican

[nw_hunter]

 IG said!

So NW,  Does that mean you voted for (gasp) a Republican? I voted for one in the primary I guess then that you and I operate about the same way; vote not for party but for the best candidate available..I did vote for the only good candidate in the General Election "IMO" Gary Johnson I further consider whether they can possibly win. I see things differently there! I believe The country won big time, just by having a man like Paul in the running.Even though he didn't win the Republican Primary. He won the hearts and minds of many freedom loving Americans.

He would have "No doubt" been my choice to guide the country, but given the choices we were left with to vote for, and since Obama was never a thought for me, I voted for a good man who happened to be a Libertarian.
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    I rather like being an independent, even though I seem to have most affinity with  the Tea Party.I guess on paper, I'm still a Republican who happens to think as an Independent Even voted for a couple of Republicans at state level.
 
  So why am I not a Libertarian?  I do agree with most of their points, except I also have a "moral compass", and it does indeed seem that Libertarians would like to ignore that such a thing as values and morals even exist.  Personally, I maintain that a moral compass is the root of both law and order, without such a nation cannot continue to exist.I agree with you on the importance of a Moral compass!Part of the reason I am a Republican that leans way Libertarian. They walk the walk.......Not just talk the talk I think we both want the same thing, but just have a different approach of getting it.

[45-70.gov]

many here seem to like the TEA PARTY
they are not  a ''PARTY''
 but  i do lie them  and  mostly  like their ;;TACTICS''


they [un-like the libertarian PARTY]...picked a perty closest to what they are
and  are trying to over throw it  rather than the whole country at once
does the term  ''laverage'' mean anything here


when  i was active in the libertarian party  i seeked to use ''tea party tactics''
in that we would support republicans....
in  return for them  not to run  in races they know they cant win...say corin browns district
that way  the libertarians  can chip away at the democrats rather than the republicans
this all fell  on deaf hears

[45-70.gov]

maybe we need a  new thread to discuss
haveing all primaries on the same  day


and  find  ways to promote this


i tried a thread on  open or closed primaries

[ironglow]

 IG said!

So NW,  Does that mean you voted for (gasp) a Republican? I voted for one in the primary I guess then that you and I operate about the same way; vote not for party but for the best candidate available..I did vote for the only good candidate in the General Election "IMO" Gary Johnson I further consider whether they can possibly win. I see things differently there! I believe The country won big time, just by having a man like Paul in the running.Even though he didn't win the Republican Primary. He won the hearts and minds of many freedom loving Americans.  I believe Ron Paul did a lot of good for the country.. his running brought a lot of people to their senses, exposing the elites of both major parties as a bunch of quacks.

He would have "No doubt" been my choice to guide the country, but given the choices we were left with to vote for, and since Obama was never a thought for me, I voted for a good man who happened to be a Libertarian.
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    I rather like being an independent, even though I seem to have most affinity with  the Tea Party.I guess on paper, I'm still a Republican who happens to think as an Independent Even voted for a couple of Republicans at state level.
 
  So why am I not a Libertarian?  I do agree with most of their points, except I also have a "moral compass", and it does indeed seem that Libertarians would like to ignore that such a thing as values and morals even exist.  Personally, I maintain that a moral compass is the root of both law and order, without such a nation cannot continue to exist.I agree with you on the importance of a Moral compass!Part of the reason I am a Republican that leans way Libertarian. They walk the walk.......Not just talk the talk I think we both want the same thing, but just have a different approach of getting it.  I lean toward the Tea Party, even though they are not an "official" party, simply because they embody the Libertarian philosophy..  guided by a moral compass.

[ironglow]

IG....are you in an open or closed primary state???

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  Closed as tightly as the minds of the big shots in both major parties here.  I can't vote in the primaries.

i wish  you  would.....as i respect you input and vote

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45-70;
       If NY were anywhere near a swing state, I would register Republican so I could do just that.  Unfortunately, NY is so overwhelmingly liberal (cities are full of them) there is no chance of getting a real conservative  in any statewide office.
  Even those who are called "Republican" are but liberals ...... masquerading in a phony costume of honesty.
  Former governor Nelson Rockerfeller was labeled a "Republican", same as NY City mayor Bloomberg..

[45-70.gov]

IG ...... i cannot find fault with what you   say


i  am in a swing state  that is loosing ground to the democrats
with what you say  in  mind...think  of this when ever someone says
''fi people would quit voting the lesser of 2 evils  and vote the best man...
.we would elect the best man''


this is all well and good.....until the democrats continue to stick together and vote as one


besides  the primaries  being a big problem to  picking good people
i think the electoral college  really hurts  people like you
your  voice/vote will never count for ANYTHING  as your intire state
 will vote femocrat in the electoral college


but  your  vote  my have some minscule[as any of us]  impact in the primaries

[Empty Quiver]

Libertarians are by there very nature independent. Getting them headed in a direction with a common goal is like herding cats. Hell they are happy to tell you they are all over the map. They take as a matter of pride that they are of no use to any particular political party. As such they get little to no political attention.


The best you here about the libertarian group is this, "they have a lot of fine ideas, with no way of implementing them" . They are their own worst enemy. Standing up for principle as you are shot down by idiots with bb guns, millions of them. They will not stand behind a simple wall to survive, on principle. Those they battle with could not give a damn about the high and mighty principle.

[Dee]

EQ, you have fine theory concerning Libraterians but, you really don't have clue of what you speak. I spent 20 years in a para-military organization where EVERYONE had to pull in the same direction, and I'm a Libratarian.
Your voting strategy isn't working, your candidates suck, and much like the Democrats, you refuse to take responsibility,

[Empty Quiver]

EQ, you have fine theory concerning Libraterians but, you really don't have clue of what you speak. I spent 20 years in a para-military organization where EVERYONE had to pull in the same direction, and I'm a Libratarian.
Your voting strategy isn't working, your candidates suck, and much like the Democrats, you refuse to take responsibility,

So you libertarians are such a rare breed that only a very few percentage of Americans qualify?


Look a couple dozen or hundred of you were interested in para military chit great, what about the other ten thousand? Were they right behind you? Were they not into the para crap figureing it was not their interest so they concentrated on tax reform and would be damned to be associated with your group?


Libertarian thoughts run towards taking care of yourself and leave me alone right and be left alone? Now how are they going to lure in the likes of Powderman who has a singe agenda driving his vote that being to force all abortions be stopped. Or how about the person who cannot abide gays. Live and let live says the libertarian, live and let die says the anti-gay crowd. Religion same thing all over the board. There are Republicans who want someone to stop something with a law. Democrats want everything stopped with a law unless it involves reproductive parts or the use thereof in which case it must not be approached.


The only thing a libertarian should want stopped is government intervention when all is said and done. Very nearly anarchy to a certain extent but with decorum and a few rules. I'm pretty well down with that, to be quite honest.


Am I missing something?

[Dee]

EQ, you have fine theory concerning Libraterians but, you really don't have clue of what you speak. I spent 20 years in a para-military organization where EVERYONE had to pull in the same direction, and I'm a Libratarian.
Your voting strategy isn't working, your candidates suck, and much like the Democrats, you refuse to take responsibility,

So you libertarians are such a rare breed that only a very few percentage of Americans qualify?


Look a couple dozen or hundred of you were interested in para military chit great, what about the other ten thousand? Were they right behind you? Were they not into the para crap figureing it was not their interest so they concentrated on tax reform and would be damned to be associated with your group?


Libertarian thoughts run towards taking care of yourself and leave me alone right and be left alone? Now how are they going to lure in the likes of Powderman who has a singe agenda driving his vote that being to force all abortions be stopped. Or how about the person who cannot abide gays. Live and let live says the libertarian, live and let die says the anti-gay crowd. Religion same thing all over the board. There are Republicans who want someone to stop something with a law. Democrats want everything stopped with a law unless it involves reproductive parts or the use thereof in which case it must not be approached.


The only thing a libertarian should want stopped is government intervention when all is said and done. Very nearly anarchy to a certain extent but with decorum and a few rules. I'm pretty well down with that, to be quite honest.


Am I missing something?

Yes, your missin quite a bit. My "para-military" experience was a 20 year career as a peace officer, so your "anarchy" remark was pretty silly.
I belicve in the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, and spent 20 years protecting other people's rights, as did all three of my sons in the military. That's so folks like you can insult folks like me. Your mile wide, inch deep analogy of the Libratariarn, is pretty typical, and your frustration with folks like me, not goin along with folks like you, is also pretty typical. So as you might imagine, I really don't care what you think about much of anything, and your attitude toward MY way of lookin at things, doesn't really foster cooperation, so you already know not to expect it.

[Gary G]

EQ, Rothbard favored Anarcho-capitalism. His reason was that all governments would grow and abuse it's given power over time. Look at America and that is obvious.


His view was that all things could be performed more efficiently and cost effect privately than by government. You would still need a constitution and code of law for private protection services to know what to do. I have read some on his thoughts and can see where it could work and with less chaos than with government.


There are no examples. The closest that I can come up with would be a period of time when Pennsylvania was first founded as a colony. Penn set up arbitrators, a constitution, and a provision for an assembly and the went back to England. The assembly never met, therefore they had no taxes. Disagreements were handled by a mutually agreed upon arbitrator. Anyone refusing the directives of the arbitrator would be shunned by the community. It was a most peaceful and prosperous colony for many years....until they finally formed a government.

[lgm270]

The Libertarian Party supports open borders which is suicide for white people who are being dispossessed and ethnically cleansed by the tidal wave of 3d world primitives.

[Doublebass73]

The Libertarian Party supports open borders which is suicide for white people who are being dispossessed and ethnically cleansed by the tidal wave of 3d world primitives.

Libertarians also support removing all incentives for 3rd world primitives to come here. If there were no welfare state then there is no need for a border fence.

[Casull]

Libertarians also support removing all incentives for 3rd world primitives to come here. If there were no welfare state then there is no need for a border fence.

 
 
 
That is most certainly not true.  Even without the welfare, they would still come here for the work.

[vabeachman]

The immigrants would have to fight the displaced workers from the U.S. welfare industry for jobs.  My family roots go back to 1899.  My Grandfather was the first of our family to be born in America.  They came for jobs.  There was no government assistance, no welfare, no food stamps, no unemployment benefits, etc.  Most people immigrate here now for all of these Government benefits.  Can't catch many rats without some kind of bait.

[Dee]

We are also for a smaller mind your own damn business government, workfare rather welfare, America & Americans first, STOP most forigen aid, close our borders, the government to live within its means, and a flat tax.