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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/02/democrats-push-bill-in-congress-to-require-gun-insurance/
 
Democrats push bill in Congress to require gun insurance under penalty of fine 
Published April 02, 2013
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A New York Democratic lawmaker is behind a national push that would force gun owners to buy liability insurance or face a $10,000 fine.
The Firearm Risk Protection Act, pushed by Rep. Carolyn Maloney and seven co-sponsors, follows efforts at the state level to create the controversial new kind of insurance for gun owners.
 
"For too long, gun victims and society at large have borne the brunt of the costs of gun violence," Maloney said in a written statement. "My bill would change that by shifting some of that cost back onto those who own the weapons."
The likelihood, though, of Maloney's bill gaining any traction is slim. Republicans control the House, and even states where Democrats have sizeable majorities have not approved the insurance idea.
 
Six states -- California, Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New York and Pennsylvania -- have all introduced gun liability insurance legislation over the past few months. None has produced any results.
In Illinois, the House rejected a measure 34-74 that would require people carrying concealed weapons to also carry $1 million in liability insurance. Chicago Democrat Kenneth Dunkin was behind the defeated bill. He said an insurance policy would cost between $500 to $2,000, but Illinois Republicans successfully argued the costs were too high for citizens exercising their constitutional right to carry a gun, and the bill was defeated.
Last week, a similar measure in Connecticut was withdrawn following a two-hour hearing on the issue. Connecticut's proposal would require firearm owners to maintain excess personal liability insurance and self-defense insurance.
In Maryland, a bill that sought mandatory firearm liability insurance for gun owners was also recently withdrawn.
Because there have been so many setbacks on state levels, many have argued that trying to pass a liability insurance mandate on a national level would be near impossible.
Still, Maloney maintains she won't back down from the fight.
"We have a long history of requiring insurance for high-risk products -- and no one disputes that guns are dangerous," she said in her written statement. "While many individual states are debating this issue right now, it makes more sense for Congress to establish a national requirement to allow the insurance markets to begin to price the risks involved consistently nationwide."
Maloney also supports proposed bans on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.
The push in Congress for a renewed assault weapons ban has faltered. Though it is expected to get a vote as an amendment to a broader gun control package, few expect it to pass. The debate in Congress lately has centered on whether lawmakers can agree to a system of near-universal background checks.
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2013, 03:44:38 PM »
I imagine the insurance companies are loving it and probably lobbying for it.  More state sponsored capitalism.
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2013, 03:49:11 PM »
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the insurance companies are loving it and probably lobbying for it.

You betcha!
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #3 on: April 02, 2013, 03:54:28 PM »
Thank a liberal today. What totally complete morons. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #4 on: April 02, 2013, 04:08:02 PM »
when you see some moronic solution
to violence like this one touted in
the media, they never ever mention
that the perpetrator of the crime is
the one solely responsible for crime,
not an object, not the owner of the
object, not the manufacturer of the
object.
what about mandatory insurance for
those who own large kitchen knives?
baseball bats? chainsaws? boxcutters?
bricks?
sounds silly when you sound it
out doesn't it?
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« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2013, 02:29:25 AM »
     This law will be as EFFECTIVE as car insurance that is required, the law abiding citizens in the country have it the Iligals and the who dont give a rats a$$ will just do without it and still have a gun, more of protecting the lower link in the chain at our expence, Today my guns are insured by a Sig. 239 .40 S&W tomarrow I havent decided yet.   Jim

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« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2013, 02:42:41 AM »
It might not be a bad idea  ::)  say in the case of an accidental discharge would there be no crime since insurance would pay off the victims claims ? Say you are in a crowded mall and a bad guy try's to rob you could you pull heat and start shooting with out regard for innocent by standers ? Would it be no fault insurance ? 
 Will base ball bat insurance be next ? will knife insurance follow ?
 HOW ABOUT PERSONAL INSURANCE ? it covers any screw up you make . No more jails just file a claim  ;D
 
 Now come to think of it  stupid people or lazy people insurance would be nice we know they create a big expense for society now don't we ?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2013, 03:24:40 AM »
How about insurance for buttholes in government.
If they don't do their job and follow the US CONSTITUTION and the BILL OF RIGHTS or do the peoples wishes then we all can file a claim for non production and then have them removed.
 
 
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2013, 03:35:42 AM »
75% of gun murders are in 4 US cities, Chicago, New York, Washington DC, and Los Angeles.  80% of those are black on black murders associated with gang and drug activity.  Why don't they address the REAL problem.  Black boys growing up without fathers in perpetual welfare with no skills, no education, and no jobs.  Their socialist utiopia keeping them on the welfare plantation.  This is not counting other cities like Miami, New Orleans, Memphis, Atlanta, etc.  Now since Katria, New Orleans lost half their population which scattered to places like Baton Rouge and Houston and other places, so some of the rif-raf was diluted by other populations and their crime rate has thus gone down considerably.  Seems like high concentrations of welfare and poor with low morals and fatherless single families just breed crime.  This once did not happen in poor black neighborhoods in the south.  Saturday night knife fights over girls in "clubs" was about all that happened back then. 

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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2013, 03:44:16 AM »
Longtom, you are right.  What we really need is for at least all liberal politicians to carry liability insurance that would pay us when they concoct stupid laws that end up costing all of us money and stress.  Liberal voters should also have to carry insurance too to cover the damage they inflict by electing stupid, Constitution hating idiots to public office.
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2013, 04:06:53 AM »
How about gun registration without callin it gun registration?
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« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 04:28:29 AM »
How about a constitutional convention , throw the bums out strengthen the Constitution and Bill of Rights and enjoy 200 more years of good life. Better than the revolt some seem to want.
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« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2013, 10:43:28 AM »
 
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How about a constitutional convention , throw the bums out strengthen the Constitution and Bill of Rights and enjoy 200 more years of good life. Better than the revolt some seem to want.
         With over half the population on the dole, I would fear a constitutional convention.  Just think of the lefty crap that would be in it and the "good" stuff that would be left out.       Now, as for insurance to cover mistakes (or crimes) made while exercising "rights", how about reproductive insurance to cover the cost of all the illegitimate children so that others don't have to support them?  It would cover the damage caused by the "trouser guns" of all these deadbeat dads.
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« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2013, 10:50:17 AM »
 
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Just think of the lefty crap that would be in it and the "good" stuff that would be left out.   

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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 11:11:36 AM »
I think something like this was tried back in the 90's when BillyBob Clinton was in office. They trash canned it, as some legal expert, or constitional whiz, said, if you can force gun owners to by insurance, non gun owners can sue :(pick one)-police,sheriff's,govt., court system, somebody. They figured out they would get the sticky end of the stick eventually, so they dropped it. gypsyman
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 01:40:03 PM »
How about gun registration without callin it gun registration?

 
Ya mean like form 4473, or the instant backgrounf chk?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 03:48:06 PM »
How about gun registration without callin it gun registration?

 
Ya mean like form 4473, or the instant backgrounf chk?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o

No I mean guns that have no records of ownership, bought from individuals, inherited, or bought BEFORE form 4473. If you insure them, there is now a "record of ownership".
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Re: DEMOCRATS push bill to REQUIRE gun ins, under $10,000 penalty.
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 04:46:26 PM »
How about gun registration without callin it gun registration?

 
Ya mean like form 4473, or the instant backgrounf chk?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o

No I mean guns that have no records of ownership, bought from individuals, inherited, or bought BEFORE form 4473. If you insure them, there is now a "record of ownership".

 
DEE. AHA, now I see, dang those commies are sneaky. POWDERMAN.  ;) ;)
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2013, 09:12:59 AM »
It is my understanding that several states already tried to push this through without success. One problem I have heard is that no insurance companies are jumping on it. Like flood insurance the risk is higher than they want to deal with. Think of the 20 or more claims that would result from Sandy Hook or a similar event and the potential payout.
Also insurance companies do not like to pay out claims that involve an illegal action. S even if the insurance was in place the chances of getting a payout for a "Sandy Hook" would be slim.
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2013, 09:22:06 AM »
"Sure you have a right to keep and bear arms but you are gonna have to pay a princely sum to exercise that right."
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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2013, 10:17:19 AM »
Usually you buy insurance ot protect your self from a loss.  Like your car insurance.  It is there to protect you incase you are in an accident.  Cover the damage to your car and any damage to you that you or others that you may have caused.    It makes it harder for you to be sued as the insurance company takes over. 
Unfortunatly gun insurance will make it easier for you to be sued.  The insurance is not about protecting your property it would be about going after you and your insurance company if your property were stolen and used to harm others.  Once the insurance company has to pay out on the first claim of a stolen gun used all the premiums will go up.  The goal is to make the insurance too expensive and people will stop wanting guns as they can not afford the insurance needed to keep them.  It is the old Democrat play book to keep the blacks from voting by raising a poll tax.  Oh sure you can vote and have the right to, you just have to pay amount that you can not afford.  Sure you can own any gun you want you just have ot have insurance for it, insurance is going ot be $8,000 a gun per year.  We are not violating your rights. 
We would not put up wiht this in other areas.  Guy steals you car and uses it in an armed robery.  You would not expect the person robbed to sue you for their loss because they used your car.  You would not expect to have to pay if someone stole your car and drove into a crowd of people.  This gun insurance is about that.  You loose a gun and you are liable for it the whole time you own it.  You are liable for all firearms you have ever owned and handed down and had not been re-registered to anyone.   The insurance companies will be liable for all of your guns on the policy after you have expired and we lla know what has happened in families after someone with firearms passes  away.  A cousin that shoud not have a gun grabs Grandads and sells it illegally, the estate is now responsible for that gun, and what happens to it.  What happened when the policy was in effect and he owned the gun.  The insurance company would have to pay pout making premiums go up and up adding costs to owning a firearm and killing the shooting sports.  Who is going ot give little jimmy a 22 rifle to learn ot shoot when it will cost you an extra $300 a year to your policy, or more?