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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2013, 01:12:49 PM »
who  here drinks  or has drunk  alcohol?? I do on occasion, Did heavily when I was younger.


and of you that have....... i want to ask.....
do you think people who use or have used drugs should be able to buy a gun?? Have used, or are using.. two seperate questions. 
Have used is very different than currently using.  One shows a breaking of the law.  The other shows a cosnsitant breaking of the law and possible the use of the firearm.  If you are willing to currently break the law and commit purjury on the federal form, what makes me think you will not use the firearms for illegal purposes? 


are you stupid enough to tell me alcohol is not a drug?? No  it is a drug just like Caffine, or nicotine  are drugs

i just want to see some perspective....not passing judgement  or any thing
3 simple questions.....who  has the guts to answer? I do. 

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2013, 01:18:36 PM »
I do have to point out that marijuana was originally made illegal because Standard Oil (J.P. Morgan) and Dow Chemicals LOBBIED to get it made illegal. It had nothing to do with it being a mild drug. In the early 1900s, automobiles could be run on alcohol, gasoline or even batteries, as well as diesel. Even industrial hemp leaves could produce as much as 25 times as much ethanol per acre than corn. And Dow produced the raw materials for rayon, which was almost as strong as hemp cloth, and was made from petroleum by-products. Hemp was being grown by very poor farmers in Kentucky West Virginia, Tennessee, etc. The Morgan/Rockefeller bunch didn't want competition from alcohol burning engines or in the textile industries, so they initiated a campaign against marijuana--- the whole 'drug' idea was blown out of proportion to scare the public, most of whom had never heard of it. Just more unregulated capitalism at work.

You could still still order opiates in the mail, and Coke still had cocaine in it at the time.


Nope, that was corporate/government cronyism and illustrates how corporations use government regulation for their own benefit. It has nothing to do with capitalism.


And I like the rest of your post.




PS. Drugs really weren't much of a problem until government made them illegal.
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2013, 02:44:06 PM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2013, 02:50:07 PM »
thank you  MR. Duck
when drugs are outlawed only out laws will have drugs
DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO STOP A DEMOCRAT
OBAMACARE....the biggest tax hike in the  history of mankind
free choice and equality  can't co-exist
AFTER THE LIBYAN COVER-UP... remind any  democrat voters ''they sat and  watched them die''...they  told help to ''stand down''

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2013, 03:09:38 PM »
Pot smoke has no nicotine and very little tar. What's there is water soluble. In other words, you're able to metabolize almost all of it and your lungs clear out again. Tobacco smoke is over 90% tar, and that is not water soluble--- the only way it gets back out of your lungs is to cough it out Even heavy pot smokers are completely clean after three weeks' abstinence. It takes about a year for a cigarette smoker to cough all the stuff out of their lungs. Those insoluble tars and the inflammation they cause are what predisposes tobacco smokers to lung and other cancers.

Healthier is  still not necessarily healthy, though. Setting ANTHING on fire and sucking the smoke into your lungs is just not good for you. You could still get COPD, asthma, and chronic bronchitis. Exact dosage is not a problem. For one thing, the amount of drug imbibed in one joint is about 1/100th the amount in the smallest Marinol gelcap available. (That's why most patients hate Marinol.) And you could take the whole bottle of Marinol without a fatal overdose--- you'd be paranoid as heck, and probably pass out, but you'd wake up (and eat all the food in a three block radius!)
If you give up, THEY don't have to win.

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2013, 01:57:19 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
OK , haven't seen it in years ,
Point is it was out lawed for profit not to save the USA
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2013, 03:58:36 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2013, 04:04:53 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !

 It was to stop competition from hemp rope makes which could be produced cheaper than synthetic rope that American manufactures . Then it would seem the legal community found a way to make themselves appear more useful/needed ( not a cut to them they just use existing law to create job security like anyone would) and the rest is history .
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2013, 04:10:39 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !

 It was to stop competition from hemp rope makes which could be produced cheaper than synthetic rope that American manufactures . Then it would seem the legal community found a way to make themselves appear more useful/needed ( not a cut to them they just use existing law to create job security like anyone would) and the rest is history .
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  Wow..  That is convoluted thinking from the hazy-head crowd.  There is no competition, since we don't use hemp rope anyway. Besides, manila & poly or nylon rope are generally used for different purposes anyway!
    If  Standard oil, Dow etc were worried, it would be logical for them to attack the sisal fields in Mexico.. DUH
    But when their heads get foggied up, I suppose they can dream up any kind of conspiracy theory.. ;) ;D
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #39 on: April 05, 2013, 04:26:52 AM »
Hemp has far more uses than just rope. It was actually the timber industry that spearheaded the smear campaign against it, because hemp makes a better paper/pulp/fiber product than trees do. Oil companies presumably wanted hemp banned as well, because it was one of the earliest crops looked at as a potential biofuel feedstock.

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2013, 04:42:00 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !

 It was to stop competition from hemp rope makes which could be produced cheaper than synthetic rope that American manufactures . Then it would seem the legal community found a way to make themselves appear more useful/needed ( not a cut to them they just use existing law to create job security like anyone would) and the rest is history .
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  Wow..  That is convoluted thinking from the hazy-head crowd.  There is no competition, since we don't use hemp rope anyway. Besides, manila & poly or nylon rope are generally used for different purposes anyway!
    If  Standard oil, Dow etc were worried, it would be logical for them to attack the sisal fields in Mexico.. DUH
    But when their heads get foggied up, I suppose they can dream up any kind of conspiracy theory.. ;) ;D
It might be hard to understand in todays world but  90 years ago hemp was still king and syn rope was the new kid on the block.  ::)
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2013, 04:50:43 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !
Ironglow, it seems that you are having a hard time seeing the connect between crime and the war on drugs. Go back and  look at Prohibition. You see the same thing there. What ended the crime then, the end of prohibition. Now I can say that I have never used drugs except what the doctor prescribed, but it is obvious to me that this drug prohibition needs to end.
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2013, 04:52:21 AM »
Also Manila rope came along  as a replacement for hemp rope.  It did not need tarring but could still rot. 
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2013, 04:56:52 AM »
Of course alcohol is a drug, just like pot and I really don't care if someone uses either as long as they keep it off the street and out of my way.  When drunks and druggies do the stupid things they do that causes innocent folks trouble, they should be eliminated.
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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2013, 05:06:28 AM »
The original purpose of the Federal Government was to handle foreign affairs and disputes between the states. What business do they have interfering in the personal affairs of individuals? Many who say they are conservatives are not if they wish more government over-lording and taxes to pay for it.
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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2013, 09:36:49 AM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !
Ironglow, it seems that you are having a hard time seeing the connect between crime and the war on drugs. Go back and  look at Prohibition. You see the same thing there. What ended the crime then, the end of prohibition. Now I can say that I have never used drugs except what the doctor prescribed, but it is obvious to me that this drug prohibition needs to end.
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  No I don't; however, I stated my primary concern earlier in this thread, see directly below;
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  "  With the various drugs at which the "drug war" is aimed, why outlaw them, just because some fuddy-duddy thinks they are immoral?  So what if that same old fuddy-duddy is concerned with the druggie who is going to get stoked up and run his Tahoe down the street and kill your wife or kids?  How do your family's lives rate anywhere as valuable as the druggie's "freedom?"
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      Yes, there is a nexus between enforcing drug laws the cost of prosecuting same, but there also is a nexus between costs and prosecuting rapists, robbers, murderers, swindlers etc.  If all such crimes were declared as legal, there would be no law enforcement cost; but shall we as a culture go in that direction. Does it not behoove every citizen to urge wherever possible, that our society maintain the moral high road...and stay out of the culture-crashing ditches ?
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   I do find the "hemp excuse" to be humorus though..  Each summer I spend a couple days demonstrating at the state fair.  A couple years ago, some dude had a booth at the fair, singing the glories of hemp!   He explained how important it was for the manufacture of rope, clothing and several other products.
         It figure that he must have had a lot invested in hemp for these products...that he would rent the space (not cheap) and take a week or two off from work to extol the "need" for hemp.
  Now, I may have been born on a Friday...but it wasn't LAST Friday..so I asked a couple questions;
 
A) Are you a farmer who wants to grow hemp commercially?   ...answer..NO
 
B) So, are you a manufacturer who wants to make hemp rope in quantity?  ..answer..No
 
C) Then are you a manufacturer who wants to make cloth or other products from hemp?   ..answer..No
 
D) Are you just a dope smoker who wants to use hemp as a "cover crop"?      ..this time, I got no answer
 
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2013, 10:49:35 AM »
never mind ................
 
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2013, 10:54:57 AM »
lotta pot smokers here. . . .
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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2013, 10:56:57 AM »
Maybe  more tax payers tired of funding a lost cause. Just saying............
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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2013, 11:27:52 AM »
Pot smokers have no business on a gun related forum.
 
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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2013, 01:40:27 PM »
    M_ _ _ _  ,A friend of mine is on a swat team..  His team made a raid pulled a raid at 6:00 AM on Thursday morning.  Smash... goes the door.. a couple kids sitting on a couch watching TV..hardly blinked an eye...one looked like it was stoned already.  Kick the bedroom door open..big, fat mama naked on bed, boyfriend there too.  M_ _ _ was glad he did not have to shoot..he could see a baby's feet sticking out from a blanket between the perps.
  LEOs collected a big, solid pkg of weeds... and an AK..  THings will likely go hard with them, guns should not be in the same house with illegal drugs... serious time there..
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #51 on: April 05, 2013, 03:08:20 PM »
? Many who say they are conservatives are not if they wish more government over-lording and taxes to pay for it.

 
That's the same with a lot of pro-gun people.
Most people are only pro-gun  up to the point of what they want to do, or own.
Booze is ok but not weed.
I can own guns but a felon can't.
I have no need for a high cap full auto ,,so no one should be allowed to own one.
 
 

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #52 on: April 05, 2013, 03:10:00 PM »
Of course alcohol is a drug, just like pot and I really don't care if someone uses either as long as they keep it off the street and out of my way.  When drunks and druggies do the stupid things they do that causes innocent folks trouble, they should be eliminated.
you'll be alright with the rest of us, if we hold you to the same standard? Who decides who does the eliminating?

    M_ _ _ _  ,A friend of mine is on a swat team..  His team made a raid pulled a raid at 6:00 AM on Thursday morning.  Smash... goes the door..
You know, thugs that go breaking down doors and rousting people in bed, don't have much to bitch about if the get shot. Did your pal shoot any dogs during his roust-em-and-humiliate-'em bad-ass routine?
Pot smokers have no business on a gun related forum.
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #53 on: April 05, 2013, 03:19:24 PM »
The original purpose of the Federal Government was to handle foreign affairs and disputes between the states. What business do they have interfering in the personal affairs of individuals? Many who say they are conservatives are not if they wish more government over-lording and taxes to pay for it.
I am a very conservitive person.  I understand the need for taxes, I did like the over taxing of the nation. 
Why shouldn't we tax it and make it an even playing field for all that want to sell it.
No as far as government goes it to has the right to regulate certain items not in the constitution for the good of the country.  Yo ucan see why we regulate Drugs through the government to protect the polulation.  We do not want Crack sold at the cornor store, we do not want opium dens, we do not want certain behavior that is against the common good.  I do agree that governmnet has gone too far in wanting to control everthing from the cradle to the grave. 
Now the growing of Hemp is a different plant that the pot plant, Pot is a form of hemp and was used to give the whole family a bad name.  Like if we wanted ot ban the night shade plants and the families because they are poison, we would end up banning Tomnatoes, and potatoes as both are part of that family.  To say Geo. Washington grew pot is not the truth, he grew a similar plant to make rope from.  Remember Englands power came from being able to rule the seas and you needed lots of rope to do that.  Having he colonies grow hemp to pay taxes was easier than shipping Silver and gold to the east coast to use as Money.  Remember the colony system was to send items the empire needed items and only send proceesed goods out to the colonies like Sugar, Tea, Rum, timber, furs, cotton, Cod fish, and spices.

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2013, 03:23:53 PM »
? Many who say they are conservatives are not if they wish more government over-lording and taxes to pay for it.

 
That's the same with a lot of pro-gun people.
Most people are only pro-gun  up to the point of what they want to do, or own.
Booze is ok but not weed. Booze is legal Pot is not.  If you are going to break the law on a regular basis the nwhat would stop the officials from thinking you are going ot do illegal things with the gun.
I can own guns but a felon can't. A fellon gave up his rights to own firearms or other weapons as they are no longer trust worthy, they also give up their right to vote. 
I have no need for a high cap full auto ,,so no one should be allowed to own one. I could care less what you want to own.  If you want full auto I think you should have full auto, if you want short rifles I think you should have short rifles. 

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2013, 03:48:00 PM »
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I have no need for a high cap full auto ,,so no one should be allowed to own one. I could care less what you want to own.  If you want full auto I think you should have full auto, if you want short rifles I think you should have short rifles. 


Your ok with me owning full autos and short barrel rifles?
But full auto and short barrel rifles are illegal for me to own.
The same as weed is illegal for me to have.
So why are some crimes ok with you and others not ok?
 

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2013, 04:01:02 PM »
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I have no need for a high cap full auto ,,so no one should be allowed to own one. I could care less what you want to own.  If you want full auto I think you should have full auto, if you want short rifles I think you should have short rifles. 


Your ok with me owning full autos and short barrel rifles?
But full auto and short barrel rifles are illegal for me to own.
The same as weed is illegal for me to have.
So why are some crimes ok with you and others not ok?
No in most states you can own a class three gun and a short barreled gun is only a $200 tax stamp.
And if you want to make pot legal.  Then we need to change the FEDERAL law.  Until the Federal law is changed POT will be illegal. 
You can try to justify it all you want.  It will not make it legal.  If your state does not allow class three firearms, move.  If you want one of the semi legal pot percriptions them again move to a state that has made pot semi legal.  And if you want to treat Pot like Beer and wine, I have no problem with it.  The only problem I have is are you going to allow it in public areas?  If you want to sell pot at the bar then great but with the smoke how do you keep others from inhaling and being over served, how do you keep people that want ot be in the bar and be the Sober driver from getting a contact high?  It is easy with a beer or booze.  Let's change ATF to ATF&P.  Tax commercial pot like you do beer, wine, or tabaco.  I say like beer or wine as you can legally make Beer or Wine at home. 

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2013, 04:08:24 PM »
Shootall, if you watch the credits at the end of "Reefer Madness" or "Marijuana, Assassin of Youth" they were both funded by "grants" from Standard Oil, Dow, and the Rockefeller Foundation. They all had financial interests in stamping out the competition.
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  What am I missing?  How on God's green earth, is a weed "competition" for petroleum products?
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  Below; see an arrest from just yesterday.. $ 3.4 million dollars worth  ..I really don't know how they arrive at that figure  because that whole truck load wouldn't be worth a dime to many of us!
   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !




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   The puzzling thing is. ..Hundreds of people are being murdered over this useless weed..  Just HOW BADLY do you need it ??
 
     It would seem that if you are willing to see people murdered over your drug habit, perhaps this indicates that it is time to seek the cure !
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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2013, 04:42:22 AM »

 
 




No in most states you can own a class three gun and a short barreled gun is only a $200 tax stamp.
And if you want to make pot legal.  Then we need to change the FEDERAL law.  Until the Federal law is changed POT will be illegal. 
 

And if one were to live in a state where you can not legally own these types of weapons..... owning one would be a crime! ::)
Which takes us back to the question as to why you are ok with some crimes and not others.
 

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Re: The utter immorality of the 'Drug War'
« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2013, 05:43:26 AM »
What you are not understanding is the higher archy of the laws.
If it is legal in the country then States, counties, and cities can make it illegal.
So a state can make Class 3 firearms illegal, and every area inside the state has to follow their laws.   
If it is illegal in the country a state, a county, and a city can not make it legal.
A city can not make legal what is illegal in the country. 
The morality question is not if it should be legal or not.  That is a question for the law makers to repeal the law.
The morality question is should we ignore the law?  If you can ignore this one law then why can others not be ignored. 
How long before congress is just ignored and the government is ignoring your 1st amendment rights?  Before they are ignoring the rest of the constitution.
We are a nation of laws and by systematicly ignoring a single law, you can effectivly ignore all laws.  And that is the morality question, do any of our laws mean anything? 
You also have the morality question that 45-70 posed.  DO you support an industry that is killing people.  These same people that are willing to ignore the pot laws are the ones that got bent out of shape for Dolphin safe tuna.  Why is killing Flipper bad but killing people ok?  And I am not talking about the people in the game, I am talking about the innocent people that are collateral damage, that are killed in our national parks and forests to protect the pot groves that wondered off the trails?  Not to mention the people that are used as slaves in the industry.