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Re: Re: Global warming.....NOT!
« Reply #30 on: April 07, 2013, 02:22:01 AM »
GLRon;
  Here is a small list of a few of the scientists who call "global warming" a scam; do you out-credential all of them ?
    Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[15]Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Why don't you also internet look up the number that do.Note:  The names I furnished are climate scientists, while many of the GW "scientists" the left touts are scientists in psychology, medicine. social work and other unrelated fields.  Even then, the leftie masquerade is losing steam with each new revelation of truth. 
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

Also look up the number of countries that do and have policies to control or try to carbon increases.  So, many countries are being run by control freak lefties...and GW is as good a reason as any to add more tax burden on the people!

Then look up how long your countries military has looked at then put plans in place.  The military is run by the Secretary of Defense, a political appointee..  'Nuff said!

Then when you see that the rest of the world understands one little notion that we are slowly changing our climate.  The rest of YOUR world.. ;)

Those who are stuck on a religious idea of we are to small and god does it all will never accept it.  So if you are there you shouldn't spend time on the 4 or 5 websites that help bolster your argument on.  Not a "religious" conclusion, just a common sense and evidence bolstered concept.
 
   If you global warmies were serious, and not just trying to kill evil capitalism (while making big money).. you would be screaming at nations like China, India & Russia, who are some truly major polluters.. ;) ;D


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« Reply #31 on: April 07, 2013, 04:07:19 AM »
GLRon;
  Here is a small list of a few of the scientists who call "global warming" a scam; do you out-credential all of them ?
    Graph showing the ability with which a global climate model is able to reconstruct the historical temperature record, and the degree to which those temperature changes can be decomposed into various forcing factors. It shows the effects of five forcing factors: greenhouse gases, man-made sulfate emissions, solar variability, ozone changes, and volcanic emissions.[15]Scientists in this section have made comments that the observed warming is more likely attributable to natural causes than to human activities. Their views on climate change are usually described in more detail in their biographical articles.

Why don't you also internet look up the number that do.Note:  The names I furnished are climate scientists, while many of the GW "scientists" the left touts are scientists in psychology, medicine. social work and other unrelated fields.  Even then, the leftie masquerade is losing steam with each new revelation of truth. 
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

Also look up the number of countries that do and have policies to control or try to carbon increases.  So, many countries are being run by control freak lefties...and GW is as good a reason as any to add more tax burden on the people!

Then look up how long your countries military has looked at then put plans in place.  The military is run by the Secretary of Defense, a political appointee..  'Nuff said!

Then when you see that the rest of the world understands one little notion that we are slowly changing our climate.  The rest of YOUR world.. ;)

Those who are stuck on a religious idea of we are to small and god does it all will never accept it.  So if you are there you shouldn't spend time on the 4 or 5 websites that help bolster your argument on.  Not a "religious" conclusion, just a common sense and evidence bolstered concept.
 
   If you global warmies were serious, and not just trying to kill evil capitalism (while making big money).. you would be screaming at nations like China, India & Russia, who are some truly major polluters.. ;) ;D



Wow, glad I hit a nerve.... the joint chiefs work on the report for your military.  It was look over be then head of the AMS who was a rear admiral.  As much as you like Forbes it has always and still is as pro business right wing as you can get short of glen beck.  So as far as a credible source goes it doesn't hold water.

Name all of the countries who didn't sign the first Kyoto accords..... who's world?  And destroy capitalism , really?  Here is a concept for you.....innovation.... that doesn't destory that helps .... without it you wouldn't have a job.  BTW..I didn't add religion to this one someone else brought it up but it underscores the true issue here and that is the lack of understanding the science behind the issue because science and what you choose to believe are at odds.  It is easy to sit back and blame others then see what we do hurting others.  Lefty did it and if we do this its the  capitalism...run hide....I've heard this before... last book of the nt.... you said not religious.... right.  Pull the god card again....this group uses it a lot.

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« Reply #32 on: April 07, 2013, 05:45:21 AM »
I read a letter to the editor in our local paper that put it in perspective for me.  The writer said that the Earth's age is measured in the billions of years; modern man's existence and observation of the climate in relative terms amounts to trying to determine what is the normal climate by observing and measuring it for 15 seconds. 


Personally, if man has anything at all to do with the climate, I would hope we do warm things up.  I hate cold.


No one has yet explained how CO2 content in our atmosphere affects warming on other planets.  I don't know how the temperature on other planets is determined and really don't care, but it is said that at least some of the other planets have warmed up too.  If that is true, wouldn't it be logical that since the sun is the prime source of heat in our solar system, just maybe sun activity is the prime mover for global warming.  Perhaps CO2 content is a modifier, but CO2 is a relatively small percentage of the atmosphere's makeup and from ice core samples  the climate has been both warmer and colder when CO2 content was much higher than now. 


If those who believe global warming is a bad thing and that it is being caused by man's activities, would quit doing those things, the rest of us would be just fine.
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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2013, 02:54:25 AM »
two statements concerning global warming...1.according to the global warming model, carbon dioxide is a minor player in the warming of the earth's surface. the real damaging gas is water vapor....clouds! mull that aroung for a while. 2. i am a firm believer in watching the people who promote an idea to see how seriously they believe it. if you look at the al gores and bonos of the world, you will see a bunch of pompas blow hards who enjoy setting up scenarios that give them the power to manipulate the masses. they are not doing everything that they say we should be doing, as if they are exempt. one more thing...it is an eye opener to look at the platforms of old line communism, and compare them to the environmental movement/climate control movment platforms...they are frighteningly similar!

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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2013, 04:08:22 AM »
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if you look at the al gores and bonos of the world, you will see a bunch of pompas blow hards who enjoy setting up scenarios that give them the power to manipulate the masses. they are not doing everything that they say we should be doing, as if they are exempt.

Yea Buddy!
 
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"If this were any other person with $30,000-a-year in utility bills, I wouldn't care," says the Center's 27-year-old president, Drew Johnson. "But he tells other people how to live and he's not following his own rules."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888&page=1
 
 
 
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“We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK,”

Barry rides in a 4 ton vehicle flys friends and family to Spain in a "convoy" of jumbo jets. 
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2013, 10:15:26 AM »
two statements concerning global warming...1.according to the global warming model, carbon dioxide is a minor player in the warming of the earth's surface. the real damaging gas is water vapor....clouds! mull that aroung for a while. 2. i am a firm believer in watching the people who promote an idea to see how seriously they believe it. if you look at the al gores and bonos of the world, you will see a bunch of pompas blow hards who enjoy setting up scenarios that give them the power to manipulate the masses. they are not doing everything that they say we should be doing, as if they are exempt. one more thing...it is an eye opener to look at the platforms of old line communism, and compare them to the environmental movement/climate control movment platforms...they are frighteningly similar!

Agreed both ways.  I never liked Al.  He is the wrong face for the issue.

Check this out for water vapor and man made issues...
Contrails....
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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2013, 02:11:10 PM »
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http://www.gallup.com/poll/161645/americans-concerns-global-warming-rise.aspx?utm_source=google&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=syndication

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2013, 04:53:05 PM »
Did ya notice that after 08 the green worry lines went down, and the never happen lines went up. Thats about the time when it was discovered that there was a bunch of bogus "scientific" BS and fraud going on. Let me say this and I will leave this to the "scientist" here. If its warming, IT AINT DUE TO MAN. The very arrogance of that is ridiculous. Man cannot destroy what God made. Man can only destroy himself. Maybe God is doing what the gun grabbers are doing. Turning the heat up a little at the time, every now and then, just boiling the frog.
 
Remember in school they taught about the Ice Age. It got cold!  Now its a little warmer. heck it may even get hot. I just hope ALGORE turns his blessed thermostat down so the good people of Tennessee don't have brown outs.
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« Reply #39 on: April 09, 2013, 04:06:37 AM »
rkeltner says
  " 2. i am a firm believer in watching the people who promote an idea to see how seriously they believe it. if you look at the al gores and bonos of the world, you will see a bunch of pompas blow hards who enjoy setting up scenarios that give them the power to manipulate the masses. they are not doing everything that they say we should be doing, as if they are exempt. one more thing...it is an eye opener to look at the platforms of old line communism, and compare them to the environmental movement/climate control movment platforms...they are frighteningly similar!"
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  I have to agree... It is the old axiom over and over..  "Don't listen so much to what they say; but rather, watch what they do."
  All of these politicians and celebrities lecture US about leaving too much carbon footprint, when it is THEY who are leaving prints which are 100 times more than any of US.
  Picture the homes of some of the leading "environmentalist" big mouths..
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« Reply #40 on: April 09, 2013, 04:59:19 AM »
Lest we forget, here are a few more outspoken Greenies' houses...  Perhaps they should have listened when they were told;
 
   "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye." (Matt 7:5)
 
   When they cut back to the level they say we should be at, perhaps then I will start to listen.  Until they do that, they are obvious LIARS, and cannot be trusted with any truth..
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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2013, 06:25:24 AM »

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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2013, 08:47:58 AM »
Sounds like you may be losing,  You are  resorting to name calling. Seems you have made up your mind based on fraudulent science. As did some of the folks in your graph.  OK do you mind if I dont agree.  I dont tend to follow bad info over the cliff.  Lets see how you like cap and tax when barry gets around to making that move.
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« Reply #43 on: April 09, 2013, 11:31:02 AM »
Sounds like you may be losing,  You are  resorting to name calling. Seems you have made up your mind based on fraudulent science. As did some of the folks in your graph.  OK do you mind if I dont agree.  I dont tend to follow bad info over the cliff.  Lets see how you like cap and tax when barry gets around to making that move.
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 Oldshooter;
   He's just being typical, when a Leftie begins to lose a debate, he/she launches into name calling.. ;) ;D
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« Reply #44 on: April 09, 2013, 12:01:22 PM »
Earth has been cooling and warming since it's existence. Sometime's it last a hundred years, sometime's thousands. It will keep happening no matter what we do. gypsyman
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« Reply #45 on: April 09, 2013, 03:59:20 PM »
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« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2013, 04:27:48 PM »
What's this "loosing" crap; I didn't know we got to vote on whether the Earth is warming, or not.  I favor warming, but I know no matter what I want, it's going to be what it's going to be.  You consensus jokers should go talk to the people in Denver about your global warming.
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« Reply #47 on: April 09, 2013, 11:41:24 PM »
Magooch;
   Context, look for context..  "losing the debate" was mentioned in within context of this thread...
   
      Of course, when the wider world witnesses the lies put forth by the UN's "authorized" GW University..and can see just as many evidences of global cooling as we see of GW; we like to believe that we were not all "born yesterday", and can recognize a scam when we see one..
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« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2013, 06:31:06 AM »
A  scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them  see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new  generation grows up that is familiar with it.

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« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2013, 07:21:23 AM »
Old max also said 
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All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force...
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind. This Mind is the matrix of all matter.

That would be MY God who is an awesome God and if he is warming things up  so be it. Man cannot, he aint awesome.
 
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« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2013, 11:42:59 AM »
Magooch;
   Context, look for context..  "losing the debate" was mentioned in within context of this thread...
   
      Of course, when the wider world witnesses the lies put forth by the UN's "authorized" GW University..and can see just as many evidences of global cooling as we see of GW; we like to believe that we were not all "born yesterday", and can recognize a scam when we see one..
When I used the term "consensus guys", I meant it in terms of what the warmers like to think is their strong suit.  They believe they are on the side of consensus.  It was not with reference to the sentiments of the participants of this thread.
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« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2013, 12:02:19 PM »
  We should all know by now that POLLS are a poor substitute for real truth.  MSN can take supposedly the same poll and come out with very different conclusions than would Fox or Gallup.  So much is decided by the sample interviewed and how the question is composed or manipulated.
  So often the Lefties assimulate the idea.." My mind is made up, don't try to confuse me with the facts"..  ;) ;D
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« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2013, 01:56:19 PM »
Polls, consensus and intelligence- sometimes they're troubling concepts for the flat earthers  ;)
 
 
 
Consensus: 97% of climate scientists agree
 
 AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES

  • Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2
  • AAAS emblemAmerican Association for the Advancement of Science"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3
  • ACS emblemAmerican Chemical Society"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4
  • AGU emblemAmerican Geophysical Union"The Earth's climate is now clearly out of balance and is warming. Many components of the climate system — including the temperatures of the atmosphere, land and ocean, the extent of sea ice and mountain glaciers, the sea level, the distribution of precipitation, and the length of seasons — are now changing at rates and in patterns that are not natural and are best explained by the increased atmospheric abundances of greenhouse gases and aerosols generated by human activity during the 20th century." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007)5
  • AMA emblemAmerican Medical Association"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6  no doubt dumbed down by Obamacare!!!!
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   American Meteorological Society"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
  • APS emblemAmerican Physical Society"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8
  • GSA emblemThe Geological Society of America"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9

 SCIENCE ACADEMIES

  • International academies: Joint statement"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10
  • USNAS emblemU.S. National Academy of Sciences"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)

 
(Scientific Organizations That Hold the  Position That Climate Change Has Been Caused by Human Action)


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« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2013, 05:28:11 PM »
You dont get it! I dont care how large you make you make the print!
 
 
Remember your old buddy Max.
All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force...
We must assume behind this force the existence of a conscious and intelligent Mind.
 
This Mind is the matrix of all matter.
That is God/   I believe that.
 
 
 The "global" may be warming but you algore and barry can take all that and stickit.
 
Man aint causing it! am I talking too fast for ya vern!
 
Really... Really... that bastion of intellect Zimbabwe, madagascar, oh and kenya, and cameroon now thats different They have some credibility maybe God is Wrong!
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« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2013, 06:20:23 PM »
You might want to visit a church that is truly into conscious and intelligence:
Young Evangelicals for Climate Action
Catholic Climate Covenant
 
Even God's chosen have seen the light!
Jewish Climate Initiative
 
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« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2013, 11:45:29 PM »
You might want to visit a church that is truly into conscious and intelligence:
Young Evangelicals for Climate Action
Catholic Climate Covenant
 
Even God's chosen have seen the light!
Jewish Climate Initiative
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  ...And these small, splinter groups are the "consensus" of Evangelicals, Catholics and Jews?  I think not!  ;)   ;D

 
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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2013, 10:41:23 AM »
I think that just because a lot of sources agree on global warming is caused by man is just being too lazy.  Why reinvent the wheel, just do like everyone else doing.  Fossil records indicate the earth wobbles and changes it solar tilt every so often and causes great changes in the climate.  Areas that were deserts become oceans, warm areas become cold, etc.  They are probably too scared to take a real look at changes in the earth tilt.  Has been going on since the earth was created.   
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