Handi Compatition

[Sourdough]

Got a look at the Rossi Wizard yesterday.  IT HAS EJECTORS.  I will not buy a new Handi, I refuse to deal with those extractors.  I want that empty gone when I open the action.  The last two Handi's I have bought I bought off the secondary market, to get ejectors.  A 30-06 Ultra Comp and a Standard Handi in 25-06.  I am going to give the Rossi Wizard to my son for his upcoming birthday.  A 30-06 with a 20ga barrel.

Yes I'm still a Handi Holic, I have nine Handi's, all with ejectors.  But I will go elsewhere, before I buy what I consider a defective hunting rifle.

[hoytcanon]

I, on the other hand prefer extractor's... I hate hunting for brass, and popping them under other shooter's feet at the range... I don't worry about fast follow-up shots... when I squeeze the trigger it's because I know it's dead... or I wouldn't squeeze the trigger. JM.02

[gcrank1]

How are you gonna use all those Handi's where the Arab lives?

[quickdtoo]

Not all Wizards have ejectors, I have two barrels, a 30-06 ejector and a 7.62x39 extractor. And so much for their switch barrel capability, the 7.62x39 barrel won't come close to fitting the same frame the 30-06 barrel fits!  See the Handi-Wizard link in the FAQs for more info.

Tim


Good luck with it Rog....

http://www.shootersforum.com/single-shot-rifles/71620-rossi-wizard-anyone-handled-shot-one.html

[rfd]

then there's the ....



... in 45-70 and other fun calibers, with 22" full folding barrel/stock or 26".

[gcrank1]

It is a bold move to make a new single shot these days (oops, I see it was introduced in 2011; where are they?). But, beauty in the eye of the beholder and all; why cant hardly anybody execute a proper schnable these days? It aint like there arent good examples extant.
Oh well, a file, some sandpaper and time......

[geezerbiker]

I wouldn't put to much thought into getting one of these.  A google search tuned up no retailers in the US.  Track of the Wolf has their muzzle loaders and they start around $500...

Tony

[bucco921]

IMO the only break action single shots in the handi price range that I would consider is the cva scout. They look  and feel nice. Made in USA not Brazil. I just cant bring myself to buy one...

[quickdtoo]

CVA Scouts were made in Spain last I knew, CVAs haven't been made in the US for 30yrs or so.

Tim

[bucco921]

I stand corrected, knew there was something keeping me from buying them.

[cwlongshot]

then there's the ....



... in 45-70 and other fun calibers, with 22" full folding barrel/stock or 26".

This looks an aweful lot like my 1940's classic Beretta .410!!




CW

[petemi]

I wouldn't give a nickle for all the ejectors ever made....even less for anything imported.  To each his own.

Pete

[gcrank1]

Except your has 2 triggers, CW !

[cwlongshot]

Except your has 2 triggers, CW !

LOL one trigger, one barrel release.

CW

[gcrank1]

Ahhhh, come on Pete.......a nickle!, for ALL the ejector models; I'll double that bid to a dime. Everybody just PM me for my ship to  .
I can take 'em either way, but I admit I dont like to chase brass. With a bolt gun I used to open the bolt and catch 'em (well, many) 'on the fly', the Handi just is too fast for me. Tip it 'just so' and open, the brass is in hand. Unless I recently got too used to the extractor model......
I am not enamored of the crosspin that activates the extractor, it will peen, and the frame recess it contacts someday to malfunction, especially if one has a load that results in 'sticky extraction' and requires a firm bump to go.
Both designs have something to be potential issues, though usually the ejector, if factory good or tuned up a bit if it needs it,  I think may last longer.
I would hate to be in a difficult situation and have stuck brass with no ejection OR an extractor that had its last successful extract the shot before. The 'nick' to pry one out of chamber in the field is not a bad idea.

[hoytcanon]

I can take 'em either way, but I admit I dont like to chase brass. With a bolt gun I used to open the bolt and catch 'em (well, many) 'on the fly', the Handi just is too fast for me. Tip it 'just so' and open, the brass is in hand. Unless I recently got too used to the extractor model......

My son uses an open top belt mounted ammo pouch... when he shoots his K-Hornet or .30/30 ejectors, he tips the gun and aims at the open pouch... he never misses on opening the action, and doesn't have to bend or chase brass... I tried the same, but I am "nine thumbs and a pinky" and miss more often than not.

[Couger]

 
Its ALWAYS enjoyable to read your Handi / hunting-Alaska posts, Sourdough. 
 
funny the topic about preferring extractors or ejectors.
 
If I wasn't always shagging brass once I pull the trigger, an ejector would be the feature I'd insist on too.  But may barrels actually have both!  I need to shoot them more to better *note* which ones are which, and need changing! 

[Sourdough]

When i open the action, if I want the brass, (at the range) I simply place my left hand behind the scope and catch it.  The new round is in my left hand, held with my index finger and thumb.  I drop the new round in and close the action.  Once reloaded if another shot is not needed the empty is dropped in a pocket or shoved into the sleeve on the stock.  There is no need to chase empties.

[LONGTOM]

Give me an ejector anytime.
I have never had a stuck case on a Handi in my life.
It may happen one day but I still would prefer ejectors.
Extractors with gloves on is kind of akward at best and not very fast.
 
 
 
LONGTOM

[rdlange]

I'm not the expert, and hope never to need the fast reload, but ejectors have always been my preference.  I'll polish chambers, and even though I haven't done it the breech notch seems like a good idea.  The 45 LC extractor barrel is the only one I have and it's a noticeable 'inconvenience' trying to grab the back end of the case, at least to me.

[Ten Ring]

I also like ejectors. I here people talking about losing brass. If I factor in the cost of out of state hunting liscense, club dues,maintanence of hunting lease food plots and roads,gasolene for the 150 mile roundtrip losing a piece of brass is my last worry.
Jim

[geezerbiker]

So far I can tip my .45-70 up and the case falls out after extraction.  I used to forget to cover the chamber with my hand when target shooting and I'd have to chase .44 mag cases.  It's not as big of a deal with .223 since they're so common and if I loose one I'm not going to be POed about it...

Tony

[cwlongshot]

I totally understand and agree with Rogers stand on ejectors. For me in that situation I would use a different gun. But that's what makes the world to round. Personally, I'm a reloader and like extractors. I have never had issue with getting the bullet out for a second shot. But I'm rarely bundled for zero weather temps or hunting things that will EAT me either.  Gloves are also rarely needed so its not a consern.

I do like ejectors on my shotguns and Rimfires especially!

CW

[rfd]

rimfires  and shotguns - ejectors, please!

centerfires - extractors only: i reload and have enough trouble chasing down 45acp brass.

to each their own and it's really all good.

[Ol BW]

Wouldn't it be nice if they could figure out a way to let you select?  Extract for the range, eject for the field?

IMHO I think whatever gun you're going to shoot, autoloader, pump, lever, bolt or single shot, you have the same problem.  Its all about adapting to the situation.  You buy a rifle to fill a particular job. Sourdough's happens to demand positive ejection so he adapted his technique to save brass. 

Fact is it is a whole lot easier to put your hand over the breech area and catch or stop a round from a break action gun than any other type of action.  You don't have to do the "wraparound" with offside hand technique when working the action with the other hand, or lay the gun on its side, or switch hands and work the action. 

Extractors on the other hand seem custom made for target shooting in this respect. 

When I am hunting, the last thing I am worried about is the empty case.  Besides, with my Handi, it would only be one lost because the first shot does the job!!;D

BW

[jpshaw]

All my rifle barrels are extractors.  I don't want that "CLACK" when I'm hunting.  I've even ground the step off of my only ejector barrel (.44) to make it an extractor.  My shotguns, However, are all ejectors.

[knight0334]

If y'all would stop missing your critters you wouldn't need an ejector for fast followup shot.

[vin]

rimfires  and shotguns - ejectors, please!

centerfires - extractors only: i reload and have enough trouble chasing down 45acp brass.

to each their own and it's really all good.

Pretty much my thoughts on the matter, too. Shotguns that can be reloaded quick to drop second bird/squirrel are nice, and an ejector facilitates fast reloads in a single, if you practice it. An extractor slows you down.  I can manage 3 shots in 8-9 seconds with my 20Ga single, and I am a slowpoke. There are some people who can do it in under 5 seconds. It gets more impressive when you consider an HD scenario with buckshot. Shoot-open-load-close-aim-shoot, rinse, lather, repeat. Has the potential to put a lot of lead downrange pretty fast..
For a rifle though, an ejector is fine. If I miss a deer on the first shot, odds are I am not going to hit it on a second shot. I know my limits, and putting a bullet in the vitals of an animal moving 30 mph is way beyond them

[geezerbiker]

If y'all would stop missing your critters you wouldn't need an ejector for fast followup shot.

The black tail deer around here are so hard to hunt, I can't remember the last time I had one in my sites.

I had not planned to hunt with my .45-70 but if I do bother deer hunting this year, I just might use it.  It's wickedly accurate and I can shoot it well and quickly off hand.

Tony

[wganz]

then there's the ....



... in 45-70 and other fun calibers, with 22" full folding barrel/stock or 26".

Closest that I've come to finding one is an ad that Cheaper Than Dirt had but they said that they hadn't ordered any yet. There is an importer of the INVESTARM's shotguns, but they don't handle that model.