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Offline lakota

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The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« on: April 08, 2013, 08:54:07 AM »
First off I have never been a fan of unions. I have been forced into 2 separate unions and they were both utterly worthless and the were very selective in their representation. All members were forced to pay equal dues but not all members received the same level of union representation...But onto my original topic: There is a local factory where the workers have been on strike and picketing for several months. I go by there quite often and I have been able to see some very "classy" behavior from these gents. I have seen them shout obscenities at passing motorists who fail to honk their horns as a show of support. I have seen them rush vehicles that are attempting to enter the parking lot while shouting obscenities and swinging their signs. Today I saw them rush and swing their signs all while shouting obsceneties at an 18 wheeler that was apparently delivering supplies to the plant. Cant these people recognize that other people also have a job to do regardless of the union's gripe with the company? Why should the truck driver not deliver to the plant? I don't know what their beef is but at this point I hope they never get what they want because of their disgusting behavior. They remind me of a bunch of little school yard bullies.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2013, 09:37:14 AM »
Yup, and they wonder why they don't get more support from the general public!

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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2013, 09:49:18 AM »
so what's new ?
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2013, 09:55:09 AM »
If union workers put the same passion into working as they do into not working I'd imagine they'd be quite popular with employers and the public in general.  Sadly, it is not to be.

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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2013, 10:00:14 AM »
it's little more than self inflicted welfare .
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2013, 10:00:41 AM »
Years ago one of my Uncle's worked for Boise Cascade in Salem, Ore. They went on strike and it got messy with a few members destroying Boise Cascade trucks. B.C. filed charges against them. Over a year later, they finally settled for the same contract offered in the beginning. I asked my Uncle about that. The union refused to settle until charges were dropped against their members. My Uncle said he coul;dn't make up the money he lost in a life time. He did not participate in the strike gangs. That was a job he got right out of high school and the only job he ever had, he retired from there.

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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2013, 10:08:52 AM »
I have seen the word fanatical and fanatic bantied around here. But nowhere does it apply better than to union workers on strike.  Here in this area back in the 70's There was a long strike by oil workers. One guy crossed the picket line because he was out of money and wanted to better support his family. One morning after shift change he parked his truck on the street and began walking to his home. He was shot 10 times in the behind before he could get into his front door with a 22. Killing him was not the goal. His "BROtHERS" were sending him and everyone else a message. I can give you a bunch of that kind of behavior. Ask Jimmy Hoffa
 
Fact is after a long strike they never regain what they lost and the longer it gets the harsher the rhetoric and behavior.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2013, 10:12:18 AM »
I have heard of backhoes being burned by union workers , saw fork lift truck have front wheels broken by union workers to get their way.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2013, 03:38:05 PM »
When I was in a union I transfered out to a non union division the first chance I got. In exchange I got a 2 dollar per hour raise, more vacation time and better working conditions(no more being mandated for 40 hours of overtime per week) Before I left the union division someone started a drive to decertify the union and it seemed to be a popular notion but the death threats started flying at the person who started the drive and then towards anyone who dared voice any support for the option and it went away. Very classy folks.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2013, 06:09:34 AM »
it's little more than self inflicted welfare .
This seems to be true. In many cases the quality of works suffers greatly when a union is involved. My dad worked for Boise Cascade in MN in the late 60s, In the 5 years he was there I think they were on strike 3 1/2. My brother worked at a bus plant for a few years that was under the UAW. He said the union quotas where laughable. He said he could have easily finished his quota for his shift in 2-3 hrs and gone home..........
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2013, 07:56:30 AM »
If union workers put the same passion into working as they do into not working I'd imagine they'd be quite popular with employers and the public in general.  Sadly, it is not to be.

That is absolutely true.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 08:27:00 AM »
it's little more than self inflicted welfare .
This seems to be true. In many cases the quality of works suffers greatly when a union is involved. My dad worked for Boise Cascade in MN in the late 60s, In the 5 years he was there I think they were on strike 3 1/2. My brother worked at a bus plant for a few years that was under the UAW. He said the union quotas where laughable. He said he could have easily finished his quota for his shift in 2-3 hrs and gone home..........

I was think they get under the union thumb and will never do any better , just vote union an exist. But I like your idea also.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 08:52:27 AM »
I had a job once where I was forced to join the union or not work there.  I liked the job, but could not take the union.  One evening I missed a union meeting, I came in at the tail end of the meeting.  The union man told me if I missed another meeting I would be fired, I told him where to put his union in front of the entire group of drivers, and quite on the spot.

My Dad worked for a plant that made office furniture.  My Mom's cousin Henry had worked there for years, since high school.  The owner also owned plants in several other states and Argentina.  There had been a turn over in personnel, older workers retiring and new younger workers coming in.  The younger ones decided to unionize, the older men did not want to.  The union came in.  Suddenly my Dad was forced to go sign up on the union board for work, and an older union man was given Dad's job driving truck to deliver the products.

The owner came back from Argentina and found out what had happened during his absence.  He shut down the plant.  He called in his old employees including Henry, the ones that had not voted for the union, and put them to work modernizing the plant, and security.  After a year of being shut down, and the maintenance and modernization had been completed, he decided to reopen.  He quietly hired new employees, none of the employees that had voted for the union were rehired.  During the year of closure the owner had gotten permission from the city to move his fence out to the edge of the street pavement.  There was no sidewalks in the area.  When the union found out he was reopening the plant they came out to form picket lines, but there was no place for them to picket except on the street.  The Nashville Police had something to say about that, and carted a few off to jail.  The picket line formed across the street in an open lot, but soon fizzled.  Two union members got shot when they climbed over the fence at night to try damaging trucks. 

Union thugs made threats against Henry and his family.  One night they drove up into Henry's driveway.  There sat Henry on the porch with a shotgun.  Henry blasted the radiator on the truck they were driving, and said the first person out of the truck would get the same, the union thugs left and never came back.  The plant is still running strong and still non-union.  All new employees are told what to expect if they ever mention bringing in the union.
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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2013, 09:34:43 AM »
I am retired from a management role in a large corporation. I started at the bottom of management and worked to very close to the top in 39 years.
During my tenure, I managed several plants that were union and became the manager of multiple plants that were union and some were non union. We took a strike and replaced most of our employees because they refused to negotiate. Tha cost us a couple million dollars.
That cost has been made up every 3-4 months in improved efficiency and safety.
 
And they wonder why membership in unions has dropped to roughly 12%.

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Re: The behavior of striking union thugs is disgusting
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2013, 11:08:00 AM »
I was a union member for over 37 years and I saw all kinds of strikes, all kinds of leaders and saw the good side and the bad side of the thing.  When we were lucky enough to elect leaders who weren't Democrats, we had good relations with the company and things were good.  Every time a Dumycrat was elected to the leadership, things went sideways.  The Dumycrats always seemed to have a chip on their shoulder against the company and against any union member who wasn't a Dumycrat.  I can tell you for a fact that at least 40 percent of the membes were not dumycrats and a good part of the rest were ambivilent.  It was the militant minority that wormed their way into what they felt was their power niche that kept things stirred up.
On the other hand, I've always had the opinion that any business that wants to remain non-union can do so very easily.  Treat the workers with respect; treat them fairly and be honest with them.  It also helps to hire quality people.  You hire thugs and you get what you hire. 
Now days, no one is forced to join a union, but in a union shop, you will have to pay dues even if you're not a member.  If one chooses that option, life will not be easy. 
My job as a lead person meant that I had to sit right on the fence and try to maintain a very good working relation with both sides.  That wasn't always easy, but overall if I had to do it again I don't think I would change much.  The people who still work at that plant and in that industry for that matter, should have it as good as we did.  The  workers are still unionized, but they have lost ground that at one time would have seemed inconceivable.
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