Author Topic: Who thinks "effective" prepping means being discrete? (Read 3773 times)

Couger · « **on:** April 08, 2013, 09:11:00 AM »

What is your opinion on this simple question?

When "prepping" with your family, do you believe your success and ultimate safety might depend on some discretion and privacy?

Last night (Sunday television), one of the channels that likes to feature some nimrod that makes "bunkers" was going on and on about a new anti-tsunami shelter he wanted his fabrication-company to develope for those preppers surely tyo get clobbered by a tidal wave!

Well ..... a body should do whatever he or she thinks is important in their life (I firmly believe),

but I wonder how many of that guy's family, employees and CUSTOMERS will never enjoy

their "preparations" because they just have got to brag to the world

about their plans, intentions and activities?

Personally I think it is STOOPID to tell the whole world how one would survive and protect their families in a crisis! Because many people are not going to make it.

Am I preaching to the choir? (

) Comments?

Why tell them how they can possibly harm you? Or prevent your success (survival?)

Ranger99 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 08, 2013, 09:16:14 AM »

maybe like the bomb shelter
episode of the twilight zone?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #2 on:** April 08, 2013, 09:27:18 AM »

I think you are correct but I wonder how many on those shows feature actors and the places and names were changed to protect the innocent ? Then it could be that those $400,000.00 + price tags were cut for promotional contributions.
Reality is most folks don't have or can't afford shelters nor can they go out and buy food and equipment that would fill the bunkers. Many feel well prepared with a few mos. food , water and resupply like a well or spring, their normal garden , chickens or what ever critter they have if any, their fishing equipment , first aid , medicine and what guns they hunt with. This type person has made it thru. hard times before and has confidence in themselves. I think they have it right. You can only prepare so much . You need to be able to use what is at hand to get by. Does it always work out ? NO but nither will a bunker at times.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2013, 09:32:16 AM »

BTW you go in your bunker and come out 6 mos later to a waste land with nuke or other contamination that will kill you over time . Was it worth it ? or would it have been better to live better when things were woth living ?

GrassLakeRon · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2013, 09:33:55 AM »

Prep or not. Your neighbors will go door to door and when they find someone who shoots back then they must have goodies to steal. Make sure you have one round per population in your area or bug out to no mans land.

Ron

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2013, 09:44:40 AM »

I guess it depends on where you live . But the concept of going it alone makes little sense here . There will be safety in numbers , better to create a group now instead of under worst conditions. And where will no mans land be ? When the cities fail the population will jump ship in a heart beat and millions will take to the country side . Any land that even looks like it could support people will get crowded. I know you can shoot the competition right? But then others may get there first , be armed and in larger numbers. And that fresh game we all think we can live on will be gone in a few days. Less tasty critters , frogs, turtles, fish and other less desirable food will be the norm out in the open if any is left. If things get as bad as some seem to wish it will life will be hard and many will die .

burntmuch · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:03:23 AM »

I have no guns, no bullets, or no food stored. But if I did, I sure wouldnt be bragging about it.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:07:38 AM »

or telling what I was going to do , that is if I had plans which I don't and wouldn't say if I did which I don't .

GrassLakeRon · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:25:37 AM »

The crazy thing is you don't have to tell. Hungry mob walks by. Looks at your house. Walks up to take what you have. You shoot to protect what your not talking about and the leader says..." hay this guy is protecting something he doesn't what us to have. Let's get him...". Now by course of action you just told the mob what you have..... if you are not there, they can't get you or what you have because it went with you. Safety in numbers means more guns to aim at the mob. Until a better armed mob comes along. Question: do mobs roam the wilds of America? Ever walk the bob? The flattops?

Ron

Oldshooter · « **Reply #9 on:** April 08, 2013, 10:29:00 AM »

I made a post the other day about some guy my wife asked me to mention that has a web site that encourages prepping and getting on a list to be ready and stick together. NO ONE RESPONDED. So either I'm being ignored , none knew or heard of the guy, or didn't wanna say.

I mentioned to her(my wife) those options and she said "OK but the lists are getting big".

I don't wanna be on a list#1, #2 being on a list tells any who in haites where and what you have. I don't wanna be in any organisation that would have me for a member.

I 'll take my chances with immediate family and my country neighbors that I trust.

Quote from: SHOOTALL on April 08, 2013, 09:32:16 AM

BTW you go in your bunker and come out 6 mos later to a waste land with nuke or other contamination that will kill you over time . Was it worth it ? or would it have been better to live better when things were woth living ?

I tend to agree with that! If its Armageddon, bring it on, Working for God doesn't pay much on Earth but his retirement plan is outta this world

briarpatch · « **Reply #10 on:** April 08, 2013, 04:06:37 PM »

Its not so much what you say or how you say it. Its based on the idea that you start getting ready. We will all find out what we did wrong or right in due time but be as prepared as possible.
From all I can find on the subject it is better to have many people in your core group to help make it through tough times.
I will still say, the biggest challenge you will face will be the Military and the local police. They will destroy you and all you have.

mechanic · « **Reply #11 on:** April 08, 2013, 05:17:01 PM »

I have a relative who wants a minimum of 10,000 rounds of ammo. My feeling is, if it comes to that whoever wins the first skirmish will have more guns and ammo....whoever loses won't need any.
Ben

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #12 on:** April 08, 2013, 06:07:52 PM »

There is a reason why the grocery store has huge signs out front, they want you to come in and walk out with their stuff.
I think the same about your stored assests. Gold, Silver, Firearms, ammo, tools, food stocks, and water making/ retention. If you tell everyone that you have it and are prepared it may as well be a lighted sign.
No matter who you tell what you have and where, if they are not of the same mind set, lets say a siblings spouce they will blab what you have, the kids will tell other kids who will say in an emergeny, "lets go over to Tommy's house his father has a generator and 3 years worth of food and camping gear. And in an emergency ti may create a mob headed to Tommy's house to be fed and cause problems for Tommy's parents. Tommys Sister's Liberal husband will tell of the crazy bother in law he has an all the supplies he has and agian a bunch of starving liberals are more than willing to TAX your stuff and make everyone equaly equiped with your gear and food. As they will all come togther and vote, democracy at work, to divy up your stuff.

Couger · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2013, 06:41:07 PM »

Some really interesting and GOOD responses! (actually all of them.

)

Some responses though, hearing them "articulated" make some concerns / concepts seem more real and even a little scary. Certainly clearer.

Good points about the skirmishes.
And good reasons to try to avoid fighting on one's front door step! Or acting out (or too soon if really needed, and becoming an outlaw before the fit hit the shan). Could see one's home (over night) become uninhabitable.

Also I have thought about the blabbing libbtard relative,
or next door neighbor,
fellow church member,
work colleage, etc.

I'm LDS and one ward member (what we call 'congregations') proudly hails himself as a socialist! Beggars the hell outta me!! As thats a huge departure from Mormon doctrine.

But Mike has said repeatedly if the time came, my family can put him up.

However he has a heart condition.

And I've also wondered how hard I could make him work? Before he had a heart attack?
What a parasite! (and I don't care if I'm not nice about this.

)

Actually I mentioned this last guy because he's the sort who would have no problems squealing to the authorities if he disagreed with any families or heads-of-households ......

who made it clear how wacked he is!

There are all kinds out there folks! So caution.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2013, 06:46:15 PM »

the wrong word in the wrong ear
is also what gets most homes
burglarized in the here and now also.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #15 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:09:39 AM »

as for the sign like a grocery store , good point and a well fed person in a time when others are starving and skinny is that sign

Oldshooter · « **Reply #16 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:37:27 AM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on April 09, 2013, 01:09:39 AM

as for the sign like a grocery store , good point and a well fed person in a time when others are starving and skinny is that sign

Here is my dilema. Say I had food, which I dont. Do I eat it or do I not eat it so "they" wont know I have food , which i dont have.

Whew! I dunno, This survival stuff is complicated to be sure! You cant just give it away, "they" will think you have more. OH and dont put your trash at the street, especially empty spam cans!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #17 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:56:14 AM »

Bury your trash , eat to survive , it will make your supply last longer anyway.
Of course if you make it several weeks there will be those who also have a stash and those who need burying . At that time there should be loads of non food items laying around .
But in reality we can never be ready for an unknown crisis but can be generally prepared to get by and get home . Have some food , some water , some protection , some first aid , but most important a mind set to survive , to get home , to protect home and to preserve or rebuild your community or the one you end up in .

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #18 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:59:57 AM »

remember during and after a crisis those who have a skill and those willing to work will be in demand as will the old timers who still know how to make things work , how to grow things etc.
You may find yourself a long way from home and need supplies etc . maybe finding a farm or even a business that could use your help might get you some rest in a secure location and supplies to get home in trade for your help/work.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #19 on:** April 09, 2013, 04:00:52 AM »

If you look at history, as problems have happened like wars, volvcanos, or other disasters. The lack of clean water will kill off most of the people quickly.3 days with out water and you will have disoriented people chewing on dirt to suck out he moisture.
As people are drinking unsafe water you will have disantary running rampant as they try to wash in those same bodies of water and spread it farther as well as causing Hepotitis assuming a total collapse of the government and the economy.
Once this happens you will have bodies laying about causing more problems.
As people starve they will have less energy to look around or be willing to spend the calories to move and search for other resources and calories. As long as you can keep your head down for a little while the danger of attacks diminish to a point. At some point you will have Vikings that will search out to raid and see what they can discover, you may be one of them. But they will be in climates that are harsh headed to the bounty of the other areas. and slowly things will be come normal again.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #20 on:** April 09, 2013, 06:02:59 AM »

Quote

and slowly things will be come normal again.

Slowly being the key word, I think when SHTF comes(and I think it will). It will be long time getting cleaned up. And those that remain wont recognise anything they see.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #21 on:** April 09, 2013, 06:28:46 AM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on April 09, 2013, 06:02:59 AM

Quote
and slowly things will be come normal again.

Slowly being the key word, I think when SHTF comes(and I think it will). It will be long time getting cleaned up. And those that remain wont recognise anything they see.

True, after the fall of Rome the old Roman Empire fell into what is now known as the Dark ages. Groups, tribes and communities all came together to protect each other and feed each other and work together to create an economy. But hopefully we will learn for m history and we will not have a thoudsand years of war on conflict while each groups leaders attach each other in a grab for power.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #22 on:** April 09, 2013, 06:47:54 AM »

Of course that is if we return to western culture , there eastern and others that don't appeal now but may in times if crisis and stress. But then that is when many less revered forms of govt. get a foot hold.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #23 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:18:21 PM »

Quote from: SHOOTALL on April 09, 2013, 06:47:54 AM

Of course that is if we return to western culture , there eastern and others that don't appeal now but may in times if crisis and stress. But then that is when many less revered forms of govt. get a foot hold.

Call it Fuedelism, communism, Facist, or kingdom. All are the same many people working for the leadership who live well and the rest live in the, what we only hope is the mud.

Couger · « **Reply #24 on:** April 09, 2013, 01:34:43 PM »

Feudalism and the dark ages?

I went to college at Utah Stae U., had a professor who studied indians (American "natives") and how much agreage (depending on location, climate, topography, etc.) it took to support each indian. Obviouskly it took more acres to support one Sioux who depended on buffalo to survive, than the number of acres to support a Huron, Iraquios, Cherokee or other eastern tribal member.

But also according to my proff (and my point) there was a huge pandemic of small pox or simiular disease that ravaged the eastern lands of what would be the USA, to the point more indians died! Than were left to bury them! Wonder if a crisis could ever get that bad? Anarchy?

The single biggest crisis I could imagine destroying the USA and the world, is the super-caldera-Yellowstone cooking off!

But wide-spread anarchy? I agree would result in weeks of mobs chasing about before MANY people starving and just dying!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #25 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:23:04 AM »

of course if our country failed would there be another country that was not effected ? and with the resources to take advantage ? doubtful.

Lloyd Smale · « **Reply #26 on:** April 10, 2013, 01:42:46 AM »

I guess nobody here is really to conserned as your posting about it on an open forum that anyone in the country can read.

Couger · « **Reply #27 on:** April 10, 2013, 02:51:12 AM »

Quote from: Lloyd Smale

I guess nobody here is really to conserned as your posting about it on an open forum that anyone in the country can read.

I disagree! LLoyd. I think you make a good point ...... buuutt

Its one thing to talk in generalities (or vagueries) about about some things a person might do, or might have ...... Versus saying I have eleventy thousand .22's or 9mm's ..... Or 3 years worth of wheat, 5 pounds of gold or a retreat in Hawaii for 100 people, etc., etc.,etc.

Most people here are NOT that dumb to really tell their best laid plans or secrets!

Altho one thing I do fail to understand why some guys feel the need to post all their firearms they own in their signiture blocks!

However if I was a thief or SWAT member, I would take note of those!

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #28 on:** April 10, 2013, 03:41:50 AM »

lets face it being a member of the Mormon church would draw more attention from those looking for supplies in a pinch.

bilmac · « **Reply #29 on:** April 10, 2013, 04:32:35 AM »

Wife and I were sitting in a resteraunt the other day and overheard a couple guys talking. One told the other the most dreaded words any prepper could ever want to hear. He said "Gee you're really ready, if things get bad I'm coming to your place".

Having strangers show up would be bad, having folks who USED TO BE FRIENDS show up would be horrible. I look at the problem this way. When I was spending a lot of my income storing up for bad times this guy was taking expensive vacations, driving expensive vehicles, ect, ect. I don't think I would have a problem turning them away.

I will help neighbors who haven't prepared because I think a community will be better equipped than loners, but I will try hard to bring my neighbors up to a level of understanding that the neighborhood cannot support everybody's long lost buddies.