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« Reply #60 on: April 13, 2013, 02:35:36 AM »
CDQ and YT. Do you two admit that Fonda committed a treasonous act? Or are you standing by your apparent stance that she did nothing wrong or treasonous. Forget about anyone hating her, or that our government erred in sending us over there. Its a simple question. Also how do you two feel about her calling the POW's liars? Was she justified in doing this, or not?     
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« Reply #61 on: April 13, 2013, 02:36:36 AM »
I love all this preaching about hating, Is it hating to appreciate the people that are willing to give their lives so that you can sit back in your leather recliner and philosophise. We owe the veterans that went when it wasn't cool to go some respect. We owe them all respect but the guys that went to Vietnam for the most part were drafted and had no choice.
 
I dont hate anybody, hell I dont even hate barry, I dont have any respect for him but I dont hate him. I certainly dont have any respect for Treasonous celebrities either. Veterans dont need me to defend them, but its the least I can do. Maybe its guilt that i didn't have to go, or just the fact that I know men and women whose lives were destroyed by that war.
 
I wont shut up! When we start accepting BS like that or ignoring it cause its uncomfortable to speak up or we wanna be loved by our pears we disrespect those that served.
 
And dont Lecture me on the mean ole Government either.  Duhhh!  You elect those ass clowns. Write them an email. You are wasting your time and mine whining about it here. Of course they are idiots, They have to be in government, they cant make it in the real world.
 
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« Reply #62 on: April 13, 2013, 02:38:07 AM »
So far, nobody's told me what she did (verifiably) to be called a traitor...
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« Reply #63 on: April 13, 2013, 02:55:08 AM »
So far, nobody's told me what she did (verifiably) to be called a traitor...

Funny, thats exactly what I thought your stance would be. If you don't know, I really doubt anyone will be able to explain it to you. Its actually black or white. You see her as committing a treasonous act or you don't. Nothing to explain. All it does is let everyone know how you feel about it.   
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« Reply #64 on: April 13, 2013, 03:04:39 AM »
Let me see in war time, she went to the enemy capitol and denounced her own country. She posed for pictures on an anti aircraft gun to provide moral support for an enemy of her own country. Is that not in itself treason?
 
Today there are several who have gone to Afghanistan and are labeled "American Taliban", when captured they are sent off to jail and not set free. I see no difference between them and Jane.
 
I think we can all agree war is horrible, I think we all can agree politicians get us involved in them. Unfortunately it is the common man that fights them. Part of being a citizen is military service. Part of being a citizen is supporting our troops. Part of being a citizen is valuing those precious rights given by the constitution. Just remember why we have those rights and act accordingly. Protest all you want but the line in the sand is not going to an enemies capitol and posing for pictures and denouncing your own country.
 
General Smedely Butler recpient of 2 Medals of Honor did not like going to war and protested the acts he did. However he didn't pose for any pictures. Just a right way and a wrong way of doing things.

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« Reply #65 on: April 13, 2013, 03:18:03 AM »
So far, nobody's told me what she did (verifiably) to be called a traitor...
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  She went to Vietnam, posed with the enemy, rendered applause for their anti-aircraft gunners who were specialists at trying to shoot down and kill our Navy pilots.
  That is giving "aid & comfort to the enemy"...  Here's what the constitution says about that!:
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  To render assistance or counsel. Any act that deliberately strengthens or tends to strengthen enemies of the United States, or that weakens or tends to weaken the power of the United States to resist and attack such enemies is characterized as aid and comfort.
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« Reply #66 on: April 13, 2013, 03:29:29 AM »
Hanoi Jane also preached her sedition on North Vietnamese radio:  http://www.rjgeib.com/thoughts/fonda/fonda.html
  Sure; that pig offered a half-hearted "apology" some 16 years after her treasonous actions..but there are thousands of names on a black marble wall in DC (some my friends), who were not present to hear it!
 
  At least one of the notorious characters called "Tokyo Rose" during WW2, paid with a 10-year sentence in crossbar hotel.
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« Reply #67 on: April 13, 2013, 03:35:31 AM »
 
  I have always enjoyed a good flic and good acting. However, I do get weary of actors who become political active. And I will not watch their movies or tv appearances.

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« Reply #68 on: April 13, 2013, 03:53:13 AM »
From Wikipedia article on "Jane Fonda"..:
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         noted by The New York Times, Fonda was a "major patron" of the VVAW. "Hanoi Jane" controversyJane Fonda on the NVA anti-aircraft gunFonda visited Hanoi in July 1972. Among other statements, she said the United States had been intentionally targeting the dike system along the Red River. The columnist Joseph Kraft, who was also touring North Vietnam, said he believed the damage to the dikes was incidental and was being used as propaganda by Hanoi, and that, if the U.S. Air Force were "truly going after the dikes, it would do so in a methodical, not a harum-scarum way".[33]
In North Vietnam, Fonda was photographed seated on an anti-aircraft battery; the controversial photo outraged a number of Americans.[34] In her 2005 autobiography, she writes that she was manipulated into sitting on the battery; she had been horrified at the implications of the pictures and regretted they were taken. In a recent entry at her official website, Fonda explained:
It happened on my last day in Hanoi. I was exhausted and an emotional wreck after the 2-week visit ... The translator told me that the soldiers wanted to sing me a song. He translated as they sung. It was a song about the day 'Uncle Ho' declared their country's independence in Hanoi's Ba Dinh Square. I heard these words: "All men are created equal; they are given certain rights; among these are life, Liberty and Happiness." These are the words Ho pronounced at the historic ceremony. I began to cry and clap.
These young men should not be our enemy. They celebrate the same words Americans do. The soldiers asked me to sing for them in return ... I memorized a song called Day Ma Di, written by anti-war South Vietnamese students. I knew I was slaughtering it, but everyone seemed delighted that I was making the attempt. I finished. Everyone was laughing and clapping, including me ... Here is my best, honest recollection of what happened: someone (I don't remember who) led me towards the gun, and I sat down, still laughing, still applauding. It all had nothing to do with where I was sitting. I hardly even thought about where I was sitting. The cameras flashed ... It is possible that it was a set up, that the Vietnamese had it all planned. I will never know. But if they did I can't blame them. The buck stops here. If I was used, I allowed it to happen ... a two-minute lapse of sanity that will haunt me forever ... But the photo exists, delivering its message regardless of what I was doing or feeling. I carry this heavy in my heart. I have apologized numerous times for any pain I may have caused servicemen and their families because of this photograph. It was never my intention to cause harm.[35]During her trip, Fonda made ten radio broadcasts in which she denounced American political and military leaders as "war criminals". Fonda has defended her decision to travel to North Vietnam and her radio broadcasts.[36][37] Also during the course of her visit, Fonda visited American prisoners of war (POWs), and brought back messages from them to their families. When cases of torture began to emerge among POWs returning to the United States, Fonda called the returning POWs "hypocrites and liars". She added, "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed."[38] Later, on the subject of torture used during the Vietnam War, Fonda told The New York Times in 1973, "I'm quite sure that there were incidents of torture ... but the pilots who were saying it was the policy of the Vietnamese and that it was systematic, I believe that's a lie."[39] Fonda said the POWs were "military careerists and professional killers" who are "trying to make themselves look self-righteous, but they are war criminals according to the law".[37]
    You guys should hear the reaction when Hanoi Jane's name is mentioned in our American Legion Post.
      Matter of fact, you should see where her photo is posted!. ;) ;D
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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2013, 04:42:50 AM »
Yt, It is well documented she said those things about returning POWs.  You must think her feces taste like chocolate pudding and her pee is ginger ale.  I see the body of her work.  I take it all into account.  Are you really denying what she said about the returning POWs
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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2013, 04:54:26 AM »
You see, THAT's what I'm talking about. All you have posted is about things she SAID. You all keep saying you're mad about what she DID. Last time I looked, we, as Americans, had freedom of speech. As to the dreaded photo, Y'all all see the gun, which, I had to have pointed out to me that it even was a gun. I see a young woman clapping her hands, being swarmed by soldiers with microphones. Soldiers trying to get into a photo with an actress.  Vietnam was at war. I'd doubt you could take any pictures there that would not show something that reminded you of that fact. She's not tending their wounded; she's not bringing them food, or bullets. She did not give them any military secrets--- she didn't know any.

Can you commit treason by accident? I'd seriously doubt treason was her intent. Squirrely, yes, but not something that even mattered a whole lot. She probably just thought it was a cool way to protest the war.
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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2013, 05:00:45 AM »
Yt, It is well documented she said those things about returning POWs.  You must think her feces taste like chocolate pudding and her pee is ginger ale.  I see the body of her work.  I take it all into account.  Are you really denying what she said about the returning POWs

 
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« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2013, 06:08:53 AM »
CDQ:
Shu's reply # 64 pretty much tells the story.
Good reply Shu!!!
 
CDQ:
How could you look at the picture of her sitting on something that big and not know it was a gun of some sorts?!!!
Some of the pictures (which you may have missed) even shows her looking through the sights as if she was aiming the thing.
As to what she did, was to go over to the enemy and denounce her own country along with giving moral support to that same enemy.
She did this and it is a well known fact.
That in it's self is enough to be considered a traitor.
Speaking out against the US on Hanoi radio is something she did and she should be called a traitor for that.
She comes home and lies about how the prisoners are being treated when in fact we have proof to the contrary.
 
The only other thing I might add is I question those numbers you posted as to the dead count during the years of 72 when she was there until the end of the war.
Not saying they are wrong because I have not checked them out yet (I WILL) just sounds like way to few to me.
Can you please post a link as to where you found those.
 
If in fact you are correct in those numbers I stand corrected that it was not thousands but 890 total dead for 4 years???
Only 1 American killed in 74?
 
Also, I don't see wher you answered any of my questions I posed to you and yt3.

 
Now yellowtail:
Thank you for the PM on this matter and thank you for answering some of the questions I posed to you and CDQ.
I understand what you are saying and I do my best to not call members any names.
We all have our opinions and I can live with that.
I have very openly posted why I hate her and have no remorse for doing so.
It has nothing to do with the war it's self, the fact that we lost, why we were in it in the first place or anything remotely connected with any of those.
By doing what she did and saying what she said (all documented) she in fact did help prolong the war by giving the enemy moral courage to fight on.
That is a traitor in my book and as such she will always be one to me.
 
 
 
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« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2013, 06:19:45 AM »
Jane Fonda made an open statement to Hanoi during POW release talks to not release any POW's until all US troops were out of Veitnam and the US made an appology for the war and she said she didn't care about the conditions they lived in.  Later during a tour of a POW camp she took all the secret notes the POWs had given her and gave them to the camp commander.  Hate to think how many  of our servicemens deaths can be attributed indirecty to her.  This is not stupid acts of youth, this is treason.

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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2013, 06:41:12 AM »
CDQ:
The nimbers I find seem to be a little different than yours and this is just the third link I checked.

 
http://www.68thahc.com/K_Vietnam_Facts__Truth_and_Myths.htm
 
This chart is provided by  thewall-usa.com

 
 

39,356 servicemen and women died in the 3 years (1967, 1968 & 1969)
This is 67.6% of all the U. S. Vietnam War causalities.
             
39,356 servicemen and women died in the 3 years (1967, 1968 & 1969)
This is  67.6% of all the U. S. Vietnam War causalities.

 
 
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« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2013, 06:46:18 AM »
Sorry, tried to get the chart to show but no go.
Use the above link in reply # 74.
 
 
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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2013, 06:48:10 AM »
  She went to Vietnam, posed with the enemy, rendered applause for their anti-aircraft gunners who were specialists at trying to shoot down and kill our Navy pilots.
they also worked at shooting down our AF pilots - you know, the ones who killed 50,000 or so Vietnamese civilians? Defending their cities, that were being bombed by the biggest air force in the world, in raids/numbers that dwarfed the tonnage dropped on Germany by the 8th during a world war? Where the hell is YOUR moral compass?


Later during a tour of a POW camp she took all the secret notes the POWs had given her and gave them to the camp commander.
We'll see if this gets deleted, but here goes:
jpshaw has just repeated another LIE, one that has been repeatedly debunked by the very men supposedly involved. It's a LIE.
A Lie.
A Lie.
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  Hate to think how many  of our servicemens deaths can be attributed indirecty to her. 
probably not many, since it never happened. You're repeated a lie. Hopefully you've done so out of ignorance; no lasting shame in that.
Yt, It is well documented she said those things about returning POWs.
(shrug)Have I stated otherwise?
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You must think her feces taste like chocolate pudding and her pee is ginger ale.
I think you're projecting, or something. That's some uncalled nastiness. Someone pee in you cornflakes, sonny?
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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2013, 06:58:43 AM »
  She went to Vietnam, posed with the enemy, rendered applause for their anti-aircraft gunners who were specialists at trying to shoot down and kill our Navy pilots.
they also worked at shooting down our AF pilots - you know, the ones who killed 50,000 or so Vietnamese civilians? Defending their cities, that were being bombed by the biggest air force in the world, in raids/numbers that dwarfed the tonnage dropped on Germany by the 8th during a world war? Where the hell is YOUR moral compass?
 
Sure we did kill them, that's what war is about.
Didn't hear of any of their side comming over here protesting and denounceing their country and giving moral support to our boys and encourageing them to fight on.
 
 


Later during a tour of a POW camp she took all the secret notes the POWs had given her and gave them to the camp commander.
We'll see if this gets deleted, but here goes:
jpshaw has just repeated another LIE, one that has been repeatedly debunked by the very men supposedly involved. It's a LIE.
A Lie.
A Lie.
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  Hate to think how many  of our servicemens deaths can be attributed indirecty to her. 
probably not many, since it never happened. You're repeated a lie. Hopefully you've done so out of ignorance; no lasting shame in that.
 
I do think the POW note deal may be made up.
Have heard to much about it never happening.
As far as her indirectly killing our boys, yes she did by giving the NVC moral support and encouraging them to fight on thus prolonging the war.
 
 

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You must think her feces taste like chocolate pudding and her pee is ginger ale.
I think you're projecting, or something. That's some uncalled nastiness. Someone pee in you cornflakes, sonny?

I do agree YT, that is uncalled for and is not condoned by many of us here.
 
 
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« Reply #78 on: April 13, 2013, 07:01:33 AM »
for the umpteenth time
Did Jane Fonda betray U.S. POWs during the Viet Nam War?
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
 
Did Vietnamese general Vo Nguyen Giap's memoirs pin U.S. defeat in Vietnam on American anti-war protesters?
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/giap.asp
 
Does a photograph show Senator John Kerry and Jane Fonda sharing a speaker's platform at an anti-war rally?
http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp

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« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2013, 07:08:33 AM »
By doing what she did and saying what she said (all documented) she in fact did help prolong the war by giving the enemy moral courage to fight on.
That is a traitor in my book and as such she will always be one to me.

 
 
LONGTOM. Agreed Sir, no doubt she is responsible for American lives lost, a traitorous act indeed, but so was traitor john kerry. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #80 on: April 13, 2013, 07:10:55 AM »
Yt, You think it is appropriate for anyone to say the things she said about the return POWs, I do not.  Someone once said the word is mightier than the sword. If you still wish to place her on an untouchable pedestal so be.  She was severely judging them.  I do not wish that any service members should be called the names she cast upon them. They were my cousins, uncles, friends, and neighbors she insulted. You can go back to watching your Hanoi Jane exercise video, she will teach how bow down and pray to be a communist, while fattening her own wallet and building upon her own notoriety.
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Re: Hanoi jane tells Vets boycotting her movie to GET A LIFE.
« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2013, 07:17:15 AM »
Got it to work.
Check the numbers from 72 to 75.
I come up with 1146.
Not thousands but enough for sure.
Be sure and see 1974---not 1 but 178.
Sinse 1997 93 more names have been added, maybe some from 72 to 75, who knows.
 
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- U.S. MILITARY CASUALTIES IN SOUTHEAST ASIA -
- DEATHS BY CALENDAR YEAR -


- Year of death may either be actual or based on a presumptive finding of death -
- (originally declared missing and later declared dead). -
- AS OF MARCH 31, 1997 -
Since 1997 93 names have been added to the memorial
that are not show in the stats below.
YEAR
USA
USN
USAF
USMC
USCG
TOTAL
1957[/t][/t]
1
0
0
0
0
1
1958
0
0
0
0
0
0
1959
2
0
0
0
0
2
1960
0
4
1
0
0
5
1961
7
1
8
0
0
16
1962
27
3
18
5
0
53
1963
73
4
31
10
0
118
1964
147
15
39
5
0
206
1965
1,079
114
162
508
0
1,863
1966
3,755
279
246
1,862
2
6,144
1967
6,467
583
317
3,786
0
11,153
1968
10,596
598
345
5,048
2
16,589
1969
8,186
426
305
2,694
3
11,614
1970
4,972
219
201
691
0
6,083
1971
2,131
55
90
81
0
2,357
1972
373
77
172
18
0
640
1973
34
52
75
7
0
168
1974
49
23
80
26
0
178
1975
23
22
83
32
0
160
1976
29
6
29
13
0
77
1977
29
24
39
4
0
96
1978
158
42
219
28
0
447
1979
38
3
101
6
0
148
1980 - 1995
25
5
22
14
0
66
TOTAL DEATHS
38,196
2,555
2,583
14,837
7
58,178

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« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2013, 08:18:13 AM »

 
Everyone has there opinion on what happened when Jane Fonda made her trip to North Vietnam and her participation in the anti war movement. I certainly can't speak to any of it because I wasn't there nor was I old enough to be in the military at the time. I took this picture at the Vietnam War Memorial in Washington D.C. about 10 years ago. The emotional wounds our service men and women have endured over the war is still very much apparent by what you see on this veterans field jacket. I hope everyone can agree that they have paid the price to be able to speak their minds on what she did at that time and if they choose to boycott her movie.
 
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« Reply #83 on: April 13, 2013, 08:25:44 AM »
Yt, You think it is appropriate for anyone to say the things she said about the return POWs, I do not.
Now you're making stuff up again. I've not commented on anything Fonda said.
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If you still wish to place her on an untouchable pedestal so be.
Is that Straw Man, or some other fallacy?
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You can go back to watching your Hanoi Jane exercise video...
Never saw one. She made those back... what, 30 years ago?
By doing what she did and saying what she said (all documented) she in fact did help prolong the war by giving the enemy moral courage to fight on.
Now there's something from someone whose knowledge of the Vietnam war comes from a Sly Stallone film. The North Vietname had plenty of moral courage. They needed it, being attacked by a superpower - and the demonstrated it, by WINNING. Some blame Jane Fonda.
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LONGTOM. Agreed Sir, no doubt she is responsible for American lives lost, a traitorous act indeed, but so was traitor john kerry. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
Kerry served longer than you, Powderman. He achieve higher rank than you. He bled for his country.


u got nuthin' on Kerry
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2013, 08:25:57 AM »
Sorry double post.
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« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2013, 08:28:34 AM »
Sorry double post.


tacky jacket. Does he wear it at church, while reciting The Lord's Prayer?
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2013, 08:30:55 AM »

tacky jacket. Does he wear it at church, while reciting The Lord's Prayer?

He can wear it where ever he likes. He has earned the right in my book.
 
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« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2013, 08:46:39 AM »
I was certainly old enough to have been there. Good Fortune prevented me from going plus the fact that I had finished my active military obligation plus extra years. I enlisted when 18 years of age, if I had waited for the Draft to call me, it may well have ended up very different.
 
I do recall when Miss Fonda was over there and could not understand that she wasn't arrested and tried upon her return.
 
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« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2013, 09:04:51 AM »
Yt, You think it is appropriate for anyone to say the things she said about the return POWs, I do not.  Someone once said the word is mightier than the sword. If you still wish to place her on an untouchable pedestal so be.  She was severely judging them.  I do not wish that any service members should be called the names she cast upon them. They were my cousins, uncles, friends, and neighbors she insulted. You can go back to watching your Hanoi Jane exercise video, she will teach how bow down and pray to be a communist, while fattening her own wallet and building upon her own notoriety.

 
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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2013, 09:20:27 AM »
Moral courage? You obviously haven't a clue what drove them to fight. Yeah the NVA had lots of moral courage.......if that's what you call being too dang afraid not to fight. If they didn't fight they were tortured and killed by their own superiors! Sometimes they were killed anyway just to make a point or set an example so the rest toed the line. Villages were raided and anyone able to fight, man woman or child, forced into service and the rest often killed and the village burned. Tell me Yellow were you there or are your opinions just formed from books? REMF maybe?