Author Topic: Ammo Hoarders (Read 3663 times)

RevJim · « **on:** April 17, 2013, 05:38:42 AM »

Well, the shelves are empty or sparse, "Out of Stock" on websites, various other shortages....panic buying has already accomplished what the Politicians just "said" they wanted to do...people did it for them! I have what I need, and its not thousands of anything. I refuse to pay $50 for a brick of .22 LR, when I can find it. Pure asinine thinking on the Hoarders part. Maybe the majority will soon enough max out all their credit cards and have to sell off cheap to pay the bill! If someone came to me to sell any of the ammo they had "stocked up" on, I'd give them "maybe" 25 cents on the dollar for any of it. This ain't the Warsaw Ghetto guys! Disgusted.

Mike in Virginia · « **Reply #1 on:** April 17, 2013, 06:17:53 AM »

Just this morning I paid $560 for a total of 550 rounds of 9mm and .308. About $1 per round. Got it from the widow of a cartridge collector. The trouble is, it's all antique. Real old Super X and some Western Auto Revelation. A shame to shoot 'em up.

MTNRGR · « **Reply #2 on:** April 17, 2013, 06:38:28 AM »

Starting to get .22 in upstate New York, surprisingly. I got 1 brick for $20 and another for $39.

vabeachman · « **Reply #3 on:** April 17, 2013, 06:45:30 AM »

Its coming back slowly. I went out yesterday and there was a good selection of centerfire and shotgun, even some 308s. I mainly believe many people were/are hoarding in hopes of making profits. When their credit card bills come due and they have to sell it, there may be a flood of ammo.

spruce · « **Reply #4 on:** April 17, 2013, 07:48:52 AM »

I have enough to tide me over, but just being a little more conservative about how much I use right now.
I won't be buying any from the scalpers. As the supply gradually comes back the prices will start to stabilize and they'll be out of business. And like RevJim said, when the supply comes back I won't be buying any leftovers from scalpers unless they want to sell it for substantially less than what's available at the stores! It only seems fair - they took advantage of the lack of supply so it should be okay for us to take advantage of the lack of demand.

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #5 on:** April 17, 2013, 08:11:52 AM »

hunting season might be slim pickings for those who put off buying until the season opens.

vabeachman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2013, 08:25:41 AM »

Well come hunting season, I got plenty for my needs. Don't really use but maybe 10 rounds for deer season, if that much, most of the time less than five. I do have about 15 rifles and ammo for all of them, so if someone needs ammo for hunting, I will gladly share.

JonnyReb · « **Reply #7 on:** April 17, 2013, 09:32:08 AM »

Ammo for all calibers here, everyone cept walmart and Dicks, they're both out till obama tells them they're allowed to restock. All 3 of our gunshops have ample stock and the one price gouger of the 3 has lowered their prices to be competitve with the other 2. Things almost seem normal cept for the mass merchants failure to participate. J

FPH · « **Reply #8 on:** April 17, 2013, 09:42:48 AM »

Academy well stocked here, Wal Mart is empty, my LGS is barren.

mechanic · « **Reply #9 on:** April 17, 2013, 10:49:55 AM »

The next time you are in your store of choice, ask them if they are getting the quota's they did in years past. One large retailer near me is only getting 5% of what he did just last year.
If they aren't getting it, they aren't selling it...so who is hoarding?

Ben

FPH · « **Reply #10 on:** April 17, 2013, 11:39:59 AM »

Quote from: mechanic on April 17, 2013, 10:49:55 AM

The next time you are in your store of choice, ask them if they are getting the quota's they did in years past. One large retailer near me is only getting 5% of what he did just last year.
If they aren't getting it, they aren't selling it...so who is hoarding?

Ben

Same with my local LGS and local Wal Mart......they just aren't getting supplies.

Bigeasy · « **Reply #11 on:** April 17, 2013, 11:53:39 AM »

Define "Hoarding". To those shooters who were / are smart enough to keep themselves well stocked with all the calibers they regularly shoot - More power to them.

To those who now are stuck paying scalpers prices for ammo so they have something to shoot, Well, Food for thought when prices and availability comes back closer to normal.

To those buying all of anything they can find, just to re-sell at a higher price, seems I remember a lot of guys doing that with stocks about 5 years ago.....

The guys who buy ammo for guns they don't even own, just out of panic to buy something - Cant figure that one out myself....

I do feel sorry for the guys just getting into the sport who are having an easier time finding the gun they want then the ammo to feed it.

I know its easy sometimes to think "Govt. Conspiracy" sometimes. But having worked for the Govt. as long as I did, I have absolute faith that there is no way the Govt. could buy up that many rounds, or force all the ammo companies to stop producing / shipping without someone "blowing the whistle". It's just to leaky, and too many people would have to be involved.

After the first great primer scare under Clinton, I decided to forgo buying a couple guns I didn't need anyway, and invested in reloading supplies and some of the ammo I most commonly shoot, replacing it as I used it. Now I could probably go ten years shooting like I do without worry. Hoarding? I call it planning...

Larry

lgm270 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 17, 2013, 12:35:51 PM »

Quote from: Bigeasy on April 17, 2013, 11:53:39 AM

Define "Hoarding". To those shooters who were / are smart enough to keep themselves well stocked with all the calibers they regularly shoot - More power to them.

After the first great primer scare under Clinton, I decided to forgo buying a couple guns I didn't need anyway, and invested in reloading supplies and some of the ammo I most commonly shoot, replacing it as I used it. Now I could probably go ten years shooting like I do without worry. Hoarding? I call it planning...

Larry

A good post. Some of us saw this coming and prepared. Wish I'd prepared more, even though I seldom shoot anymore for health reasons.

RevJim · « **Reply #13 on:** April 17, 2013, 12:50:10 PM »

By Hoarders I meant the panic buyers, buying up a couple lifetimes worth. I'm not talking about folks who have been around and prepare, but about the folks who think they are going to sell off for a big profit. In hard times, I bet I could get a wheelbarrow full of ammo for 10 gals fresh water! When the supply/price get "affordable" again, sure, that's the time to put up a bit more. Not now.

colt1960 · « **Reply #14 on:** April 17, 2013, 05:02:04 PM »

I bought my lifetime supply when clinton was in office. Hoarding? mabe to some but my 22lr cost .89 per box. I could sell and make a huge profit but thats not what I bought it for.

gstewart44 · « **Reply #15 on:** April 17, 2013, 05:29:00 PM »

When Winchester decided to pull all of its "Black Talon" pistol ammo back around '93 I went down to the local sporting goods store. Me and one other person were there to get the BTs. It hit the news during the evening so I guess many people didn't hear about it until the next morning. Anyway us two bought up all the 45 acp, 9mm, and 357 BTs. 20 years later I still have a dozen boxes remaining. Its all about timing.

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #16 on:** April 17, 2013, 07:40:15 PM »

The problem is three fold.
One is the Government with thier hording buying of everything in a number of calibers.
The second is the guys that want to keep shooting. I shoot 300 rounds of shot gun and 150 rounds of center fire pistol and 100 to 300 rounds of 22LR a month at different shoots not to mention 20 center fire deer caliber at another shoot. And I do not shoot what the others are shooting at the club.
I am starting to run out of stored ammo. When I would shoot 100 I would buy 150 to 200 to replace it.
Others see empty shelves and are compelled to buy what they can. If you saw the bread shelves at the grocery store empty you may start buying other items that you don't need just in case. We are at that point. Today I was in Bass Pro and they had 8 boxes of 10mm FMJ ammo and I thought about buying it. I have a buddy that has one, I do not. But thought about buying half of it for him. I did not.

guzzijohn · « **Reply #17 on:** April 18, 2013, 03:10:36 AM »

This might qualify as hoarding. On another firearms forum a poster claimed he found and bought 100 525 bricks of .22s.
GuzziJohn

SharonAnne · « **Reply #18 on:** April 18, 2013, 04:52:46 AM »

seems to me the gov is hoarding 5.56. the DHS ordered 1.6 BILLION rounds. they have 55,000 officers (who should be defending our southern boarder). they claim it is a five year supply. I read where that works out to 5,800 rounds a year per officer. Our troops in Iraq have averaged 2,000 rounds per year IN COMBAT. Makes me worried.

Lock and load brothers and sisters, the brown shirts are coming.

SharonAnne · « **Reply #19 on:** April 18, 2013, 06:01:09 AM »

just asking, I have

1200 rd M193
14,000 Small Rifle Primers
10,000 Large Pistol Primers

am I a hoarder?

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #20 on:** April 18, 2013, 07:06:55 AM »

At one time some news reports stated our troops were consuming a billion rounds a year when fighting was at it's highest. That of course that was all small arms not just individual weapons. Did anyone ever find out why the HLS vehicles had gun mounts on top ? Before I got too concerned I would consider training and supply to police departments that may be called in to help.

RevJim · « **Reply #21 on:** April 18, 2013, 10:01:07 AM »

No Ms SharonAnne, you are definitely not a hoarder, ha. Its those guys that panicked and began carting off everything they could find, like in some Post nuclear Apocalypse! lol. I don't think the govt or me or anyone else has the right to tell someone what they can or can't have, not saying that. People could have paced themselves a bit, but the majority I've seen around here have made innuendos about "selling later for a profit." After about 5,000 rds of any kind of ammo, folks "could" slow down a bit and let others have a crack at it! I used to shoot thousands of rounds a year, from .22 to centerfire rifle/pistol, but I also was attending a lot of Courses, etc. However, these are not Operators trying to stay up on their training. Maybe, just maybe, since the Senate couldn't get any traction on the first Gun Bill, things will slow down.

tcoggins · « **Reply #22 on:** April 18, 2013, 11:55:58 AM »

I'll be honest, I was a bit concerned when the supplies started to run low. I built my first AR15 last fall, and while I was stocking up on ammo, I had not yet started reloading when the deficate hit the oscillator. My ammo stash for that rifle grew slowly. At this point, I have about 700 rounds of .223, and have everything I need to start reloading for it. Any more, if I see a couple boxes of .223 on the shelf, I will leave them for someone else (however, if there is a big pile of ammo, I'lll grab 100-200 rounds to add to my stash). What I refuse to do is pay the scalper's prices. My LGS, when they have ammo or components, charges the normal price. They will get first shot at my business.

Tim

MTNRGR · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2013, 02:56:16 PM »

After reading all this I kind of feel like an a**, I had more than 3K .22lr on hand and got a little panicked, payed some insane amounts for more, though I haven't joined the profiteering group I still feel like a rookie now.

Good thing is though I have over 5K of double 2 now

TribReady · « **Reply #24 on:** April 18, 2013, 04:07:17 PM »

we've been thru these cycles before. each time the supplies come back--of course, the prices are always just a bit higher

I personally thnk this will pass. However, we are living in much different times now so I don't think we will be back to what you or I would call "normal"
i've stocked up at various times, not like some guys, but more than I'll probably ever shoot. Also sold big quantities when my rifles/shooting changed. Never gouged, what's the point, just gonna lose a sale and piss someone off. That same guy may have a round you need somewhere down the road

that said, I made the "mistake" of buying my son a new rifle. I knew 308 would be perfect for him for many years. It wasn't much after that that supplies dried up drastically. I've got 40 rds, some lower quality stuff is available at Scheels, and 2 buddies of mine reload so I'm not overly concerned at this point. but to keep with this post, if supplies become available I will really stock up (not quite hoard, tho)

MTNRGR · « **Reply #25 on:** April 18, 2013, 04:32:53 PM »

TribReady,
I've got 20 rounds of core lock and 20 empties with your name on them, pm me and there yours

kynardsj · « **Reply #26 on:** April 18, 2013, 10:48:36 PM »

Stopped by the shooting range yesterday to pick up a few brass. Talked to a guy that was shooting his CZ 22 rifle. He had bought some Federal bulk 22's at our local Bass Pro Shop. Said they were about $25.00 with tax. I have seen in the local buy, sell, trade magazines people wanting to sell a 500 count bulk pack for as much as $100.00. Really ticks me off. Also makes me glad I have several that I bought some years ago. I used to go to the hunting club and go thru a bulk pack in a weekend. I guess those days are long gone.

cwlongshot · « **Reply #27 on:** April 18, 2013, 11:44:55 PM »

Well, to my mind there are horders and then there are ''boy scouts''.
This has happened at least a half dozen times now... This is worst so far and its final outcome is yet to be sceen. I prefer to be prepared as much as I can... But do not consider myself a horder based on what I see on TV...

I aint NO WHERE CLOSE!!

CW

gstewart44 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 19, 2013, 12:51:13 AM »

Quote from: cwlongshot on April 18, 2013, 11:44:55 PM

Well, to my mind there are horders and then there are ''boy scouts''.

Very well said CW

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #29 on:** April 19, 2013, 02:07:12 AM »

There was a book out "Citizen Solider" in it there are suggestions of equipment the average citizen should have on hand incase he/she is ever called on to defend their home , locality or state. It was interesting that a Rifle with 250 rounds was suggested and a Handgun with 50 rounds . That seems like a lot of Rifle ammo until you realize resupply might not be aval.
It was also noted if possible more would be good.