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Offline Larry L

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Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« on: April 18, 2013, 05:13:43 AM »
Read an article from GunsAmerica that they have noticed some of their posters are more agitators than normal. When confronted with being hired anti-gunners posting their poison, they didn't defend themselves. I'd give this a good read as these clowns will stop at nothing to disarm us.
http://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/a-warning-to-all-gun-bloggers-and-forums-boston-marathon-explosions/


For that reason, we have ceased to allow any anti-gun comments on our articles. This was a difficult decision, but we only did so after calling out several of the commenters and directly accusing them of being hired Bloomberg shills. None of them defended themselves, and we believe that this is exactly what they are. The anti-gunners aren’t just buying TV ads. They are hiring what are probably unemployed young people in New York City to fish around in pro-2nd Amendment social media to plant seeds of division, trying to hook the emotions of the vulnerable and anti-depressant medicated.

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2013, 05:33:35 AM »
Good question.  I  wonder about alot of so called "pro-gun" people on this site who take the side of anti-gun politicians and support constituencies that are  blatantly anti-gun.

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2013, 05:37:23 AM »
Good question.  I  wonder about alot of so called "pro-gun" people on this site who take the side of anti-gun politicians and support constituencies that are  blatantly anti-gun.
give some examples? I've not seen it.
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2013, 06:19:12 AM »
No doubt about it, and we don't have to name them, we know who they are. ;)

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2013, 06:29:33 AM »
I'm not sure we should care what they say on sites like this. Just ignor them and go on. I don't think they are preaching to much of anyone on these sites that would give them any support. Better here than Better Homes and Gardens!

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2013, 06:47:22 AM »
LARRY. Good question. In my opinion YES. There are some here that I sincerely doubt even own a gun, let alone hunt or shoot. They claim to support the 2nd amend, but openly support those who would deny us the right to bear arms. Kinda like wolves in sheeps clothing. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2013, 07:07:39 AM »
Doesn't really matter.
Can't be many.
If they are on here then they surely will show themselves as I know it would be impossible for them to keep quite and by doing so they always end up with an ear full from the ones who are true to the gun world!!!
 
Put another way----It's not hard to see a black sheep among all white ones.
 
 
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« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2013, 07:17:44 AM »
It's not hard to see a black sheep among all white ones.
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« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2013, 07:30:02 AM »
better they be here wasting time with those of us to stubborn to change than among those who could be swayed.
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2013, 12:45:27 PM »
SHOOTALL. You have a good point, but their goal here is not to convert us into anti gunners, but to convince us that it's OK to support the anti gun, pro death, pro gay dem party.
 It's like they are saying, we know dems want to disarm you law abiding types, but thats OK, we don't really have guns anyway. The dnc graduated a bunch last year, most of whom are still promoting that sicko group. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2013, 02:03:23 PM »
A political battle is a "war" of sorts, in which the sought spoils become the hearts and minds of the governed.  Truth is the first casualty in war, and that's by design, rather than a product of happenstance and chance.  It is also understood in warfare that it is much easier to conquer a force already divided than a cohesive, unified one.  So, if the tyranical usurption of liberty was something I was personally passionate enough to invest my time, talent, and treasure in, I would absolutely consider paying people to post rhetoric in support of my aims on shooting and outdoor sports websites like this one.  It's easier to take away something if people are willing to give it up, after all. Swaying public opinion in aveneues of social discorse helps make the non-committed into willing victims.
 
Anti-liberty tyrants would certainly see value in "planted posters" on sites like this and moreso now, because they see the pro-Second Amendment opoosition as fragmented and weak already -or did, until very recently.  Were that not so, they wouldn't have been so bold in boasting about "breaking the back of the Gun Lobby" or so publicly giddy over the prospect of acheiving that goal here of late.
 
They aren't far wrong.  I personally know several avid shooters who have no problem with background checks, waiting periods, limits on magazine capacity, or the vilification of arms on the basis of a military or paramilitary aesthetic.  These folks fully support "sensible gun laws."  They do not believe the Second Amendment was intended to grant citizens the right to open or concealed carry, to own semi-automatic variants of the U.S. Military's main individual combat weapon, or to own a handgun capable of holding more rounds in its magazine than a standard, single-column magazine in a 1911 pistol holds.  Some of them don't see the Second Amendment as a realistic deterrent to government tyrany in the modern era, citing the notion that individuals with small arms stand no chance against a government in contol of one of the most powerful armed forces in the world, with all of the weapons systems at its disposal that such superpower status implies.
 
There are lots of avid shooters in this country who DO think assault rifle bans, bans on private party transfers, registration, licensing of gun owners, and such are not only "reasonable" but "desireable."  Anti liberty tyrants in political power know those folks exist and they know they visit and post on sites like this one.  It isn't a secret to them.  They know they already have allies among gun owners who are willing to help further their agenda.  Planting a few "puddin' stirrers" thus serves to maintain the division that they see as already existing and helps prevent cohesiveness from taking root.
 
There are plenty of avid, high-volume shooters who don't think anyone should own an AR-15 and are deluded into believing that nobody in positions of government power would ever see their Perazzi shotgun as an evil instrument in need of confiscation and destruction.  There are some military match highpower shooters I know personally who were pissed at various pro-Second Amendment groups for standing against the prohibition of private party transfers, having the attitude of throwing the antis a bone to keep them from going after their collection of AR-15 A2's and magazines.
 
How many times have you heard "Nobody needs an assault rifle or a combat pistol for huntin'" come from the mouth of a gun owner?
 
The Anti's already have gun owners on their side who support some of their agenda.  They post their opinions on sites like this without getting paid, with no organized backing from somewhere else, doing so as individuals exercising their First Amendment right.  But knowing that doesn't mean they think it would be pointless to have "paid plants" posting, too.  Its all the more reason why they should, and would be stupid not to.
 
 

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2013, 02:48:46 AM »
Good post JP,  A house divided can not stand.

The argument that an XYZ gun is not needed for hunting is a moot point.  No one needs a high performance sports car either but we sure as heck have a right to own one if we desire it.  Why shouldn't a law abiding citizen have the right to own any type of gun that he desires?

As far as small arms in the hands of a determined populous being ineffective against a large, modern,  well outfitted army... you may want to consult with a Vietnam or Korean vet' on that score.



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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2013, 12:47:00 PM »
Good post JP,  A house divided can not stand.

The argument that an XYZ gun is not needed for hunting is a moot point.  No one needs a high performance sports car either but we sure as heck have a right to own one if we desire it.  Why shouldn't a law abiding citizen have the right to own any type of gun that he desires?

As far as small arms in the hands of a determined populous being ineffective against a large, modern,  well outfitted army... you may want to consult with a Vietnam or Korean vet' on that score.

I wrote "Some of them don't see the Second Amendment as an effective deterrent...."  That was meant to refer back to gun owners I know personally who are actually in favor of infringement on the Second Amendment.  They believe the Second Amendment is an antiquated relic of a bygone era with no practical purpose in the modern age.  I DO NOT share that sentiment.  I want to make sure that my views aren't co-mingled with those of others that I do not agree with.
 
Admiral Yamamoto's warning that an invasion of the continental United States would be impractical on the basis of there being a rifle "behind every blade of grass" remains sound and will continue to do so for as long as citizens maintain and exercise their right to keep AND bear arms in this country.
 
It would be nice if all gun owners in this country were unified in support of the Second Amendment, but that is not reality, and the anti-liberty tyrants who seek to infringe upon it fully recognize that fact.  This is part of what emboldens them in their Zealot's Quest to achieve a gun-free utopia.  Division among gun owners aids their cause and they definitely have a vested interest in proactively maintaining and seeking to expand it.
 
As an aside, I will take exception to the assertion that "No one needs a high performance sports car, either."  I wouldn't have owned a Porsche for two decades if I didn't have a need for a high performance sports car at the time.  The ability to rapidly accelerate, come to a quick, safe, controlled stop, coupled with excellent cornering ability, transient response, and traction were all highly advantageous in negotiating metro Los Angeles traffic.  The safest car in a collision is the one that lets you avoid the collision in the first place.  Thus, I owned a Porsche because I valued my personal safety and was willing to take responsibility for it by owning a vehicle that would help me maintain it under adverse conditions. Getting up to 31 mpg on the highway was helpful, too, and 375,000 trouble-free miles suggested I more than got my money's worth out of that vehicle ;) .
 
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2013, 01:11:43 PM »
Excellent posts JP.

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #14 on: April 19, 2013, 03:11:46 PM »
JP, Please except my apologies.  I really meant to say "they" not "you" in the last sentence of my previous post. 

The sports car analogy was meant to show liberal twisted logic.  A liberal would likely argue that a little econobox could get a person from point A to point B whilst saving the world from speeders and protecting the environment or some such dribble.  I very much agree with you that a high performance sports car can be very useful in certain situations as are an AR rifle or high cap, pistol.   
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« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2013, 03:21:02 PM »
there are a large percentage of gun owners
who feel anti 2nd and anti semi, etc.


they're just apathetic users of air and electricity,
meaning as long as the lights and t.v. come on
and the water squirts out when you twist the
knob, they could care less about the rest of the world.
they deny to themselves the fact that they can't
hide in their neat little subdivision while
the world spins.


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« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2013, 03:38:58 PM »
A while back I was thinking along these lines and posted several threads to to see what turned up. It wasn't conclusive, and I was surprised to see that some never even responded. Dont know if it was me or the subject matter. I came away with the Idea that some just were not liking to say, or not liking my posts. However I have seen that there are members here that I wonder about. Just has someone has said, better that they are here trying to muddy the water than being somewhere  that they could do harm.
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« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2013, 04:30:14 PM »
I know the Democrats send out a Daily Bullet point fax that they ask their people to call Talk radio and push the Liberal Adgenda with false information and bad statistics. 
I would not put it past them to als ohave these same people look and sound like gun owners.
But I think it would be hard to tell the difference between the paid, the volunteer, and the uninformed doup that believes the lies comming out of the Democrat Machine bullet point faxes. 
The Democrats tell a good story, of incramentalism.  They slowly take an inch at a time moving the socialist adgenda forward,  They tell you they only want the Manchine guns, then they only what the Assault guns, then they only want the illegal guns, They say they do not want your sporting arms, but they call any rifle a Sniper rifle and make every gun have a nefarious use and reason to have it. 
They think anyone that does not believe in their platform to be unstable. 
Do not believe in the man made global warming and you are crazy,
do not believe in manditory abortion, and you are an Extreme right wing christian. 
Do not believe in allowing Children to get birth control and you are a Hillbilly that wants to rape his kids and not a concerned parent that wants to be sure of what chemicals, medicines, and hormones goes into your children.  And what really gets me is these are usually the same people that want Hormone free range chicken on the table but have no problem putting hormones into the kids.
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« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2013, 05:33:05 PM »
It is amazing to me the leftist are allowed to push communism on this forum, like ranting about corporate evil and how bad the rich are, this being the linchpin of communism. However if you offend them in the slightest.............
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« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2013, 09:19:58 PM »
I read but rarely type on this one forum.
"Hired" caught my eye this AM though. We are not hired to push our agenda, why would anyone else think that "they" ---whoever they are, I am going to make it a point to meet they before I die---I digress; have to be hired to do it.
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #20 on: April 20, 2013, 03:06:11 AM »
SHOOTALL. You have a good point, but their goal here is not to convert us into anti gunners, but to convince us that it's OK to support the anti gun, pro death, pro gay dem party.
 It's like they are saying, we know dems want to disarm you law abiding types, but thats OK, we don't really have guns anyway. The dnc graduated a bunch last year, most of whom are still promoting that sicko group. POWDERMAN.  :o :o

Amen . That's what I see, they attack our position on the issues and it isn't always about the 2nd .
Christian beliefs are attacked more than anything else but they use riddles to look as if its a
meaningful discussion . Not quite directly on target but with innuendos where we know exactly what
they mean . But can come back and defend their statement in several different ways causing an
argument that looks as if they didn't start . Communist bred divide and conquer where we start to
fight among ourselves . They know a lot of people are reading this site as visitors its their opinions
that they wish to influence they already know what ours will be .

And they play that fact. I've noticed that many of them once the end fighting has started will remain
silent even when they are directly addressed . Unless that involves us getting off track on what their
original intentions were , then they come in and further stir the pot with more riddles .
Of course this site can not afford to do it by its nature of advertising . But this is why a lot of sites
have gone private and can only be seen by members only .
The owners of those sites say by doing that it all but stopped this problem and the ones who were
doing it never bothered to rejoin the site . And that sure said a lot about who they were and what
their original intentions were all along .   

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« Reply #21 on: April 20, 2013, 03:26:15 AM »
The owners of those sites say by doing that it all but stopped this problem and the ones who were
doing it never bothered to rejoin the site .
sounds like the 'problem' is lack of ideological uniformity.
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« Reply #22 on: April 20, 2013, 04:21:23 AM »
Anna your point is well made, they don't always use the 2nd Amendment to promote their liberal views, which in turn, supports dismantling the the 2nd Amendment. I suppose some of them are intentionally doing this, but I think some are so stupid that it never occurred to them, that by supporting their favorite liberal politician, and his cause, that they are undermining their own rights. I see little snip its everywhere by them, and I think that they consider themselves so intelligent it never registers with them.
The Obama lovers are the biggest train wreck I see. They are so stupid, they don't realize that if he gets his way, the governments gonna come in and divide up their stuff and redistribute it also. Many of them have bought themselves one of those LIBERAL NEW AND IMPROVED Bibles from England, and a found themselves a "mile wide-inch deep, tell it like they want to hear it church" to attend, and they like to run around sayin: what would Jesus do?, when they can't answer that question themselves.
If you support the "liberal agenda", then you automatically support gun control. It really is that simple.
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« Reply #23 on: April 20, 2013, 04:29:42 AM »
Well what is wrong with  little honest disagreement? I don't believe that everyone is locked and sealed into one camp or the other. I think there are a great many people who may be inclined to support gun control as a gut level knee jerk reaction but who can be convinced to support the second amendment if they are just exposed to the truth. The majority of people do not visit sites like this but get their "information", such as it is, from the liberal mainstream media. They really do believe, at least to some extent, that the NRA is an evil organization in the same class as the KKK just because they have never been exposed to any other point of view. While it is true that there are hide bound liberals who will never see things from any other point of view I think the great majority of voters can be swayed if they are just given the facts in a clear, concise and sensible way.
But If you actually do want to influence public opinion you won't do it by preaching to the choir here on GBO. For that reason I sometimes post comments on sites like the Washington Post, NPR or Media Matters. I don't believe that makes me a "troll" on those sites but just someone who has a position contrary to the popular perspective of most people on those sites. When posting on those sites I am much more careful in my choice of words than I may be here among friends. I try to politely disagree and to point out factual errors and raise points overlooked or deliberately avoided by the gun control advocates. If nothing else I can show myself as a gun owner to be much more civil than the liberals who are going to snipe back with very clever comments like "you are really stupid" "go hug your gun" "you lie" etc. I believe there really are people who can be swayed by being exposed to a well articulated argument and if nothing else I can at least learn how those people think and how to counter their arguments.
I'm a  Nam vet, mostly vote Republican but am more in agreement with the Libertarians or Tea Party. I'm a strong defender of the second amendment and believe "shall not be infringed" means shall not be infringed, but I don't always agree with everyone here on every thing. I believe George W Bush was a terrible president who did great and lasting harm to American liberty, American prosperity, and American image abroad. He got us involved in two totally insane wars which everyone knew could never be won and pretty well destroyed the Republican party. I believe the "war on drugs" is yet another insane war which can never be won. I don't go to church and don't pretend to be a Christian and can't abide bible thumpers. But I generally do agree with most here and I know that in those areas where I disagree with most I am not entirely alone.
So if there are people here with whom you don't agree I think it pretty foolish to assume they are "trolls" hired by Bloomberg or Obama and even if they were, so what? Does it hurt you so badly to hear another opinion? I think that is what we call "discussion".
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« Reply #24 on: April 20, 2013, 04:33:58 AM »
Anyu body who hedges upon the 2nd amendment..who says "maybe we don't need more than 10 rounds"..."What's wrong with a background check, or a government file on any gun owner?".
  These statements come from the Left..they always do!  The reason the Left wants to control guns is clear and can be summed up in 2 words..Socialism & Communism   ..
 
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« Reply #25 on: April 20, 2013, 04:34:37 AM »
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If you support the "liberal agenda", then you automatically support gun control. It really is that simple.

 
Lets say that again only like saul allinsky says to do it!
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« Reply #26 on: April 20, 2013, 04:48:13 AM »
That is exactly why we should ban "anti" talk, there are already too many sites promoting that!  Most Leftie sites likely don't want to hear logical arguments against their sacred cows..
   If we don't bar them, we can do this.  When somebody starts into any anti propaganda, just take his sentence, redo it and present it as below.  If anyone gets too many special mentions by the rank & file, their aim will become obvious.. The red symbols will draw attention to the dubious statement, and the reader can judge for him/her self.
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  Frogmouth says:  " We really don't need more than 10 rounds to kill a coyote."  @@@@@@
 
   
   If there is a poster on GBO called "Frogmouth", I apologize in advance. :D
If you don't want the truth, don't ask me.  If you want something sugar coated...go eat a donut !  (anon)

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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #27 on: April 20, 2013, 05:13:20 AM »
I post on NBC and MSNBC.  Those people go hysterical every time I post pro gun data and pro Second Amendment data  They are very rude.  Seems that anything that contradicts their agenda is met with vicious name calling.  People here are much nicer.  Obviously the anti-gun crowd liberals are just unhappy people, wanting to blame everyone else for their unhappiness, and don't want anyone else to be happy.  They are a much of losers.  Maybe gun ownership would make them happy.
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #28 on: April 20, 2013, 05:17:09 AM »
I think for the most part these dregs have already been identified. I ignore them for the most part, sometimes pointing them out but rarely. If know one appears to be listening, and participating in their nonsense, I think they would go else where. Contentiousness is their goal, and upon others responding to them, they are then successful.
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Re: Are there HIRED anti-gunners commenting on this forum
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2013, 05:24:36 AM »
I think we should take the battle to them.  Upset their safe places with pro gun and pro Second Amendment data.  Let them know that there are many, many, people that disagree with them.
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