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Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« on: April 20, 2013, 09:50:24 PM »
I could be wrong but in this video at 0:37 I hear what sounds like several rounds of 22 LR.  ???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jk4ZOehzc
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #1 on: April 21, 2013, 01:21:30 AM »
Quote from: Victor3 on April 20, 2013, 09:50:24 PM
I could be wrong but in this video at 0:37 I hear what sounds like several rounds of 22 LR.  ???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1jk4ZOehzc

I watched it that morning and said this too!! I 100% agree that was a ''22''!
Kinda reminda me of the Eddy Murphy gangster spoof movie. (Harlem nights) Where 3-4 guys where shooting up tommie guns and one guy had a revolver... funny stuff...

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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #2 on: April 21, 2013, 05:00:14 AM »
Sure sounds like a .22.
 
Do you agree the initial shots sound like handguns, then the .22 rounds, then after the lull more handgun shots possibly mixed with centerfire rifle rounds?
 
I'm wondering if the Watertown patrol officers were only armed with handguns?  A lot of departments, especially in "politically correct" areas of the country do not equip regular patrol officers with rifles.  Sometimes even if they are issued shotguns they're required to carry them in the trunk so as not to appear "offensive" to the public!
 
I noticed in the news coverage the SWAT teams, and a lot of the feds were carrying AR's, but I don't remember seeing any of the patrol officers with AR's.  I did see a couple who had shotguns, but very few of those.
Does anyone know what type of weapons are issued/carried by officers working the streets in the Boston area?  Are long arms carried inside the car, or are they carried in the trunk - so the officers have to call "time out" so they can retrieve them before being able to defend themselves?
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2013, 03:27:45 PM »
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2013, 03:36:44 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Police_Department#Weapons
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[/size]Boston police officers may carry "only weapons, magazines and ammunition authorized and issued by the Department", which "include, but are not limited to":[23][/size]Glock Model 22[23] (.40 S&W)
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2013, 03:48:33 PM »
News tonight said that during the shootout in Watertown, the brothers had a pistol and a pellet gun....and bombs.
Older brother bought commercial fireworks in the previous weeks.
Interview with the fireworks clerk; she said he asked for the biggest loudest thing she had.

It said they shot the campus police officer just to get his pistol, but it had a safety lock on the holster, so they left without it
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 03:59:36 PM »
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It said they shot the campus police officer just to get his pistol, but it had a safety lock on the holster, so they left without it 
       I've never seen a safety lock on a holster. Is it possible it may have prevented the officer from arming himself and returning fire?? POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2013, 04:58:14 PM »

Don't know much about holsters myself, so I just took it for what I heard.Could be they just didn't know how to work it in the dark.
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2013, 05:04:29 PM »
I thought the same thing about hearing a 22 cal. during the video.
I think the safety lock they are talking about could be the release button on a Blackhawk holster or maybe just the retaining (safety) strap on the holster.
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2013, 08:10:05 PM »
Willy is probably right. I'd guess the officer's holster was of a tactical type where the firearm kind of snaps into place when holstered and a button or section of the holster has to be depressed to release it. It's done with the trigger finger on the draw and your trigger finger ends up in the ready position alongside the triggerguard. If not familiar with such a holster you can pull all you want and the handgun aint budging!
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 11:42:12 PM »
Typical uninformed media...

A ''safety lock''... its like a clip magazine...

Many holsters for law enforcement has draw resistant devices so the firearm is resistant to removal for anyone but the wearer...straps are long gone... So a officer can not work about someone snatching his firearm in a crowd, etc These are not consealment holsters.

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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2013, 05:17:59 AM »
Maybe they didn't take the pistol because they didn't have time to wait for the background check and they didn't want to break any laws. ;)
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2013, 05:27:42 AM »
at  about 43 seconds  i heard a goat


that sounded like a 22  but  it sure seemed close to the mike
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2013, 05:29:41 AM »
Either that or they realize that handguns are so ineffective that they're not worth bothering with. I saw pictures of cops during the lock down. A lot of them were holding pistols in a ready stance. Why wouldn't they have something radically more effective, like a shotgun? Don't the cops know that almost no cop ever hits anything he wants to hit during a fight?
 
Another possibility is that they couldn't get ammo because of the shortage.
 
Mostly tongue in cheek in this post.
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2013, 05:40:13 AM »
I'm guessing most of the patrol officers didn't HAVE anything available except their handgun.  A lot of departments, especially large metropolitan departments, don't equip the patrol officers with any longguns.  Reasons are expense for the equipment and extra training required - and more importantly, the unspoken reason of politically correctness.
 
The average cop, criminal, soldier, etc doesn't usually hit much during a firefight.  I read a study done on the Vietnam war that estimated there were about 10,000 rounds fired by U.S. troops for every enemy kill.
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2013, 05:46:48 AM »
A triple retention holster is not that difficult to use or remove the gun from....if you know what you are doing! If you just unsnap it and try to jerk the gun out, it will not move. But if you apply pressure in the right direction, it'll slide right out.
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2013, 12:29:12 AM »
Quote from: spruce on April 24, 2013, 05:40:13 AM
I'm guessing most of the patrol officers didn't HAVE anything available except their handgun. A lot of departments, especially large metropolitan departments, don't equip the patrol officers with any longguns.  Reasons are expense for the equipment and extra training required - and more importantly, the unspoken reason of politically correctness.


 True, but within a year after the North Hollywood shootout and since, I rarely see a cop car in SoCal without an AR muzzle brake sticking up between the front seats right next to the shotgun. Smart move IMO...


http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/print/story/2012/02/how-the-north-hollywood-shootout-changed-patrol-rifles.aspx
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Re: Did bombing suspects use a rimfire in shootout?
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2013, 11:54:19 AM »
Quote from: Conan The Librarian on April 24, 2013, 05:29:41 AM
Either that or they realize that handguns are so ineffective that they're not worth bothering with. I saw pictures of cops during the lock down. A lot of them were holding pistols in a ready stance. Why wouldn't they have something radically more effective, like a shotgun? Don't the cops know that almost no cop ever hits anything he wants to hit during a fight?
 
Another possibility is that they couldn't get ammo because of the shortage.
 
Mostly tongue in cheek in this post.

Try missing what you shoot at with a 375 H&H and you will get the SAME results... ::) ::) ::)

A hand gun is just fine... IF you can hit your target... >:(

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