Author Topic: Are we fighting a war or is this recent bombing just a crime? (Read 2034 times)

Oldshooter · « **on:** April 23, 2013, 06:08:53 AM »

Just watched an interview with Lindsay Graham. He was asked what message we are sending to the world, our enemies, and Citizens with the handling of the Boston Bombing. He thinks it is an Error to treat this as a crime. He thinks barry and the boys are sending the wrong signals. "This is a crime and not a new battle with radical islam and people that hate our guts."

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #1 on:** April 23, 2013, 06:38:21 AM »

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Are we fighting a war or is this recent bombing just a crime?

The Boston Bombing was definitely a crime.
We're fighting in Afghanistan

.. but we're not fighting the religious war that a whole bunch of religious peeps seem to want us to fight, and THANK GOD for that!

gypsyman · « **Reply #2 on:** April 23, 2013, 07:01:19 AM »

YT3, your right. We're not fighting a religious war the way some of us want to. We're just letting them win. gypsyman

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #3 on:** April 23, 2013, 07:25:42 AM »

We might not be fighting a religious war but some of them are. As for a crime , yes it was a crime and should be treated as such. Was it an act of war ? maybe but then an act of war is a crime is it not ? The fact the guy we caught is a citizen makes it a crime we should be careful in the way we handle it. What ever we do sets the way cases will be handled in the future . Lets not give up freedom to get one guy.
Soldiers die everyday in the war on terror and it is sad. They fight for freedom. We enjoy freedom but when a child gets killed by a bomb or many children get shot in a school some are willing to abandon freedom for perceived safety event thought it will not make them safe. They don't understand to be free we all are at risk. We all face danger . We cannot let the deaths of some of us lead to less freedom for the rest of us. Then we will not be safe or free.

spruce · « **Reply #4 on:** April 23, 2013, 09:31:01 AM »

I agree with SHOOTALL.

Do we suspend someone's constitutional rights under some circumstances? Which circumstances would justify it? WHO gets to decide when someone's rights will be suspended? The Constitution has to be defended and upheld in it's entirety, you can't pick and choose when you want it followed.

Once you start down that path it becomes a dictatorship.

Lizzie-6 · « **Reply #5 on:** April 23, 2013, 01:48:10 PM »

Quote from: Oldshooter on April 23, 2013, 06:08:53 AM

Just watched an interview with Lindsay Graham. He was asked what message we are sending to the world, our enemies, and Citizens with the handling of the Boston Bombing. He thinks it is an Error to treat this as a crime. He thinks barry and the boys are sending the wrong signals. "This is a crime and not a new battle with radical islam and people that hate our guts."

Murder and mayhem is NEVER "just a crime".

The Boston Bombing case is NOT an act of war.

powderman · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2013, 01:59:58 PM »

OLDSHOOTER. YES, like it or not we, and the rest of the world, is at war with islam. They murdered innocents in 26 countries last month. Can anybody name another cult that murders innocents DAILY?? We are involved in a global war on islam, or GWOI. Islam is a cancer, and should be treated as such, a boil on the butt of the ENTIRE world. Their allah is a false god, and mohamed a false pedophile prophet. POWDERMAN.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #7 on:** April 23, 2013, 02:35:22 PM »

From my perspective we have been at war since 9/11. Actually the jihad against the United States began before that when the trade towers were first bombed.

Wether we wanna be or not friends we are at war because the radical muslims and alqada ARE AT WAR WITH US. You don't have to call it a religious war, doesn't matter to me. But the Death of Bin laden didn't end the war no more than if our leader was killed. If someone is at war with you, You better be at least prepared to fight and in this case two whacked out nare do wells, came in infiltrated our country and blew a bunch of folks up. Sit back and close your eyes and imagine if it was your home town and your children, kinda brings it in perspective HUH!

OH I really understand the ramifications of this being a "citizen" and all but if he got citizenship under false pretenses is he covered? I dont even care if they kill him, just throw him in a cell and let fate take its course will be fine with me. After a fair trial and all.

Do some of you actually believe this is an Isolated incident and we shouldn't make a big deal over it.

Well then we are loosing the war, that we dont believe we are in!

mcwoodduck · « **Reply #8 on:** April 23, 2013, 02:58:08 PM »

I think it depends on who you ask. If you ask our standard citizens it is a crime. You have disillusioned morons that attacked a bunch of innocent people for what ever twisted reasons they had and then attacked police.
If you ask the morons that bombed and attack us it is a war, an anti cursade if you will.
I wonder what people in the Muslium world would call it if I planted a bomb in their neighborhoods and coated the bomb with pork? Would it be a criminal attack or an act of war?

powderman · « **Reply #9 on:** April 23, 2013, 03:16:19 PM »

OLDSHOOTER. Good post Sir. They live among us ya know. POWDERMAN.

Lizzie-6 · « **Reply #10 on:** April 23, 2013, 04:59:24 PM »

Quote from: mcwoodduck on April 23, 2013, 02:58:08 PM

I think it depends on who you ask. If you ask our standard citizens it is a crime. You have disillusioned morons that attacked a bunch of innocent people for what ever twisted reasons they had and then attacked police.
If you ask the morons that bombed and attack us it is a war, an anti cursade if you will.
I wonder what people in the Muslium world would call it if I planted a bomb in their neighborhoods and coated the bomb with pork? Would it be a criminal attack or an act of war?

Some might call it "an act of pork"

Or simply "getting porked".

When you're facing roadside pork, what's the difference?

Oldshooter · « **Reply #11 on:** April 23, 2013, 04:59:37 PM »

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The Boston Bombing was definitely a crime.
We're fighting in Afghanistan

Well Hoss, "they're" fighting here and there, "WE" as in this gooberment, better get their heads completely outta their behinds and soon. Ever heard of two fronts, Barrys preacher said it right. Our chickens have come home to roost.

The gooberment is gonna make a big horse and pony show out of this trial and a mockery of justice! Heck, if there is one bleeding heart libral or one muslim sympathizer on his jury he wont even be convicted! Stick that in your peace pipe! Religious war BS. Walk up to them with your white flag of truce and see where they stick it.

two-blocked · « **Reply #12 on:** April 23, 2013, 05:51:09 PM »

Oldshooter · « **Reply #13 on:** April 23, 2013, 05:58:06 PM »

Quote from: two-blocked on April 23, 2013, 05:51:09 PM

I agree with President Reagan but I am not sure what your point is in posting that. I will let you explain because I wouldn't presume to know how you think and suggest what you might mean..

SHOOTALL · « **Reply #14 on:** April 24, 2013, 01:28:18 AM »

Crime is something we citizens deal with often with help from police. In bad times the feds in some cases the National Guard. When it's over whelming the Military steps in . But it is all crime . We have not plundered in a long time.

jimster · « **Reply #15 on:** April 24, 2013, 02:24:39 AM »

I think if you go to another country and commit a terrible act, they treat you like a criminal, they just don't drag it out very long before your punished like we do here. We have a problem here, we turn it into gobs of money being generated to government officials by tax payers, we mix in a little PC for the feel good people, and generate gobs more money for the media outlets. Anything we can do to spice it up, such as arguments over how we try the case, is just so much better for business.

We do have our priorities you know. A fast and speedy trial is not one of them. We have to milk as much money as we can from the 50% who pay taxes. Drag it out as long as we can. If any one of us did this in another country, it would have been over by now.
We are not good at much here any more...too many hands in the cookie jar.

BBF · « **Reply #16 on:** April 24, 2013, 04:42:55 AM »

There is a huge amount of money to be made from all of this. I can imagine the salivating going on.

powderman · « **Reply #17 on:** April 24, 2013, 04:54:55 AM »

Quote from: BBF on April 24, 2013, 04:42:55 AM

There is a huge amount of money to be made from all of this. I can imagine the salivating going on.

I believe you have your own probs with this cult in canada, do you not?? POWDERMAN.

magooch · « **Reply #18 on:** April 24, 2013, 05:48:01 AM »

I think the Boston bombers were freelancers who were also of the mooselimb faith. Yeah, they were obviously inspired by their ideology, but in Hitlary's words--"What difference does it make?" The penalty is the same; one penalty has already been taken care of. The other should have the same result.

jimster · « **Reply #19 on:** April 25, 2013, 04:59:16 AM »

Well I just heard on the local news today that Boston is very reluctant to call this a "Terrorist attack" because the insurance companies will not pay for terrorist attacks.
What a tangled web they weave.

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Companies could lose insurance payouts for property, lost income and other
damage if the bombings are officially declared an act of terrorism by key U.S.
officials, under an 11-year-old law that hasn't yet been tested, according to
industry executives and lawyers, as well as city and business leaders in
Boston.

D Fischer · « **Reply #20 on:** April 25, 2013, 09:06:56 AM »

Was the World Trade Center an act of war of a crime? Don't tell me terrorist attack, they are illegal and therefore a crime.

Why would the Boston attack be an act of terrorism? In terrorist attacks some group always seem's to come forward and take the credit (?) for it. What group did these two belong to? I think it was a crime.

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #21 on:** April 25, 2013, 02:49:46 PM »

'just' a crime?

well... yeah, it was a crime. Qualifies as terrorism, as there's a political motive.

but just a crime.

sorry, all you Christian warmongers who want a crusade

not yet.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #22 on:** April 25, 2013, 03:32:21 PM »

Do I think we should attack any body because of the bombings in Boston, or start a religious war..............NOPE!

We better understand that the war didn't end with the death of Bin Ladin and these chirren had somebody help em. "Somebody" still out there wanting infidels dead, and they seem to have figgered out how to come here and let us subsidize our demise.

But you pacifist folk that want to have the bomber tried and convicted and put away better understand that he may just get a walk. I wouldn't trust an American jury to convict him. He is getting a PR job from the media, even Fox is showing his elemetery pictures and talking about his poor upbringing. Ask Zimmerman in florida about PR.

Hairy Chest · « **Reply #23 on:** April 25, 2013, 05:39:23 PM »

Quote from: yellowtail3 on April 25, 2013, 02:49:46 PM

'just' a crime?

well... yeah, it was a crime. Qualifies as terrorism, as there's a political motive.

but just a crime.

sorry, all you Christian warmongers who want a crusade

not yet.

We know about that Iraq crusade. Now I hear the same agitators want Gentile boys to die in Syria. We need a trial for a full investigation. That is the way a civilized world operates. The dark crusaders want a military tribunal. We do know there are those who are happy when we are attacked so they can use us to fight their wars. So maybe in their tribunal they will knock a confession out of him, like they did to SS officers to say all these bad things happened. In every Communist court, or police precinct, you had torture and signed confessions. A desire for a fair hearing has nothing to do with the unique aspect of this suspect versus what the founding fathers envisioned. A fair hearing puts the spotlight also on the accusers so we get a clear picture of the overall situation of what happened.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #24 on:** April 25, 2013, 05:53:38 PM »

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So maybe in their tribunal they will knock a confession out of him, like they did to SS officers to say all these bad things happened. In every Communist court, or police precinct, you had torture and signed confessions

Really? I guess after they beat up those SS officers, They hurriedly ran out and built concentration camps and filmed starving people clinging to fences while dying.

How do ya say civilized world and SS officers in the same post and keep any credibility?

Duke0313 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 25, 2013, 06:15:16 PM »

Officially, we are NOT at war with them....Unfortunately, they ARE at war with us. Time to wake up and smell the coffee!!!

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 26, 2013, 01:23:56 AM »

Quote from: Duke0313 on April 25, 2013, 06:15:16 PM

Officially, we are NOT at war with them....Unfortunately, they ARE at war with us. Time to wake up and smell the coffee!!!

I'm having a cup right now. We' are fighting them. Some want to broaden them to include Muslims worldwide (see our most prolific poster & top hater). No need to do that.
I think we've been using drones to kill some of the thems.

Oldshooter · « **Reply #27 on:** April 26, 2013, 01:39:35 AM »

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Some want to broaden them to include Muslims worldwide

your coffee is weak! I would think that the recent attack in Boston and the foiled attack in Canada bound for New York, and the past "nonattacks" in this country would indicate

that "some" Muslims worldwide think they are at war with us.

Might try some Community Dark roast!

yellowtail3 · « **Reply #28 on:** April 26, 2013, 01:46:36 AM »

I'm having some of Peet's Coffee - specifically, Major Dickason's Blend. It's Rich, Complex, and Full Bodied

ummm-hmmmm...

BBF · « **Reply #29 on:** April 26, 2013, 02:41:44 AM »

If I answer you here Charlie I'd be off topic.