Has somebody truly dropped the ball?

[ironglow]

 I asked in another post if somebody had "dropped the ball" in combatting terrorism.  Some agreed, but others took me to task for it!
   Let's have a look!  After the attack on 9/11/01, under the Bush admin,  there were zero, zilch..nada more terrorist attacks in the US.  As of this date, there have been 5 terrorist attacks on US soil under B Hussein.
 
  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congressman-five-jihadists-have-rea ched-their-targets-united-states-under-barack-obama_719094.html
 
   Of course we should understand..it is hard to declare a terrorist attack..when you can't bring yourself to admit that such a thing as 'terrorism' even exists!   Far easier to calli it "workplace violence".  That's what happens when a man or his country starts lying to itself..  reality slips away..
      The FBI and CIA have been warned repeatedly by the Russian intel agencies...telling these US groups that the this Tamerlan guy was hanging around with some very unsavory, terrorist type birds.  What was done about this valuable information ?  ...Nothing..!   
   http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/04/25/Younger-Tsarnaev-was-unarmed-when-police-fired/UPI-39421366865709/
 
    So, I ask again...Did somebody drop the ball?

[Conan The Librarian]

The only "ball" that's truly been "dropped" is our vigilance regarding tyrrany. We have today two perfect examples of this: Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. Both are patently unconstitutional, both are amazingly destructive, they negatively affect you personally and everyone else in America, yet they are the law of the land. I suggest forgetting about the occasional terrorist attack, and start focusing on the enemy within. They are far more destructive. We already have a hyper-reactive over-funded and bloated police state and military to handle the terrorist stuff.
 
 
 

[45-70.gov]

WE DROPPED THE BALL


by  not  backing some one with the possibility to defeat  obumer


and let obumer get re-elected

[Conan The Librarian]

Who is "we"? Surely you don't mean republicans. They are a major part of the problem today. Look at the last two presidential contenders THAT PARTY ran for president. Both worse than useless. Both have as the sum of their their life works defined as preparing the way for a president like Obama.
 
I used to say that the republican party was dead. I was wrong. It's worse than dead because it's more like a malicious spirit that accomplishes nothing good and only makes bad things worse.

[ironglow]

Conan;
  Yes; those are two nation destroying acts..but I still suggest we not "forget" about potential terrorist attacks.
   Still, it is truly hard to grasp the notion that an administration put in place by the voters, would be a bigger threat to the country than the war on terror..which this admin won't even call by name..
        Ignorance is bliss, I guess..

[45-70.gov]

Who is "we"? Surely you don't mean republicans. They are a major part of the problem today. Look at the last two presidential contenders THAT PARTY ran for president. Both worse than useless. Both have as the sum of their their life works defined as preparing the way for a president like Obama.
 
I used to say that the republican party was dead. I was wrong. It's worse than dead because it's more like a malicious spirit that accomplishes nothing good and only makes bad things worse.

OBVIOUSLY  we dropped the ball  in the primaries....
.then AGAIN in the general election

[ironglow]

Who is "we"? Surely you don't mean republicans. They are a major part of the problem today. Look at the last two presidential contenders THAT PARTY ran for president. Both worse than useless. Both have as the sum of their their life works defined as preparing the way for a president like Obama.
 
I used to say that the republican party was dead. I was wrong. It's worse than dead because it's more like a malicious spirit that accomplishes nothing good and only makes bad things worse.

OBVIOUSLY  we dropped the ball  in the primaries....
.then AGAIN in the general election

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  Surely the most clever thing to do on election day was to stay home and let Obama waltz back in!  I am not pleased with the Republican's attitude, but to allow Obama back into do even MOTRE damage was unthinkable.
 
  Of course by now even if Romney were far from perfect.we would likely have spending greatly reduced, Obamacare repealed..and have the bloated federal govt on a slimming diet, since Romney was a man very experienced in running successful corporations..
  No, Romney wasn't perfect..who was?  But by enough staying home on election day, we have an Obama redux..worse than the first one.

[Conan The Librarian]

My present theory is supported by a lot of actions of the republican party. Evidently, their calculus is that there are enough people on the dole today to win an election with. So they are pandering to that group. However, it's not working because the democrats are better at it and have more experience with it.
 
So when I asked "who is we?", I'd really like to know who you think dropped the ball. Apparently it's a minority of people who can't win elections anymore.
 
The republican national committee calls my home phone occasionally and I just hang up. I've lost all interest in that party because they don't represent me any better than the democrats do.
 
The rising stars, like Rubio and the younger Ryan aren't stars at all. They're career politicians. Rubio has a sordid past that associates him with financial corruption. As soon as he becomes a national candidate for president, he'll be stopped. Ryan is associated with his kook father that nobody takes seriously. Jeb Bush thinks he might run-- obviously been smoking weed to even consider it given how the Bush name has been reviled nationally.

[ironglow]

  Not really conan;
  Did you not peruse the links provided?  There is considerable evidence that FBI and CIA both had much advance warning, but didn't bother being too concerned..check it out:
  http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/04/25/Younger-Tsarnaev-was-unarmed-when-police-fired/UPI-39421366865709/
 
  Then as I mentioned..New Years, in Times Square..no back packs allowed...but there were back packs all over the scene at the finish line of the Boston Marathon...     Why so? 
        Are the NYC authorities too restrictive or did the Boston authorities drop the ball?

[spruce]

Comparing New Years Times Square to the Boston Marathon is apples to oranges.  The first is a relatively small cordoned off area with tightly controlled ingress/egress, the latter is 26 miles of public streets (and buildings) open to the public.  Even the finish line area can't be tightly cordoned off due to the very nature of the event.  There are constantly runners finishing, people arriving to pick them up, etc.  Without people being able to arrive and leave in a fluid manner during the race there simply wouldn't be room enough to accomodate everyone,
 
The only ball that was dropped was the one dropped by the quarterback.  Due to the policies and the "tone" set by the "supreme leader" the agents in the FBI and CIA know that to designate any mooslimb as a terrorist threat is to put them in jeopardy of losing their jobs or ruining their careers.  Inaction is the only safe thing for them to do.

[45-70.gov]

My present theory is supported by a lot of actions of the republican party. Evidently, their calculus is that there are enough people on the dole today to win an election with. So they are pandering to that group. However, it's not working because the democrats are better at it and have more experience with it.
 
So when I asked "who is we?", I'd really like to know who you think dropped the ball. Apparently it's a minority of people who can't win elections anymore.
 
The republican national committee calls my home phone occasionally and I just hang up. I've lost all interest in that party because they don't represent me any better than the democrats do.
 
The rising stars, like Rubio and the younger Ryan aren't stars at all. They're career politicians. Rubio has a sordid past that associates him with financial corruption. As soon as he becomes a national candidate for president, he'll be stopped. Ryan is associated with his kook father that nobody takes seriously. Jeb Bush thinks he might run-- obviously been smoking weed to even consider it given how the Bush name has been reviled nationally.

SO  SOME ONE YOU HANG UP  ON  DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU


why does that surprize  you ??


do you actually think  there is ANY OTHER GAME IN TOWN  besides the lesser of 2 evils??

[ironglow]

My present theory is supported by a lot of actions of the republican party. Evidently, their calculus is that there are enough people on the dole today to win an election with. So they are pandering to that group. However, it's not working because the democrats are better at it and have more experience with it.
 
So when I asked "who is we?", I'd really like to know who you think dropped the ball. Apparently it's a minority of people who can't win elections anymore.
 
The republican national committee calls my home phone occasionally and I just hang up. I've lost all interest in that party because they don't represent me any better than the democrats do.
 
The rising stars, like Rubio and the younger Ryan aren't stars at all. They're career politicians. Rubio has a sordid past that associates him with financial corruption. As soon as he becomes a national candidate for president, he'll be stopped. Ryan is associated with his kook father that nobody takes seriously. Jeb Bush thinks he might run-- obviously been smoking weed to even consider it given how the Bush name has been reviled nationally.

SO  SOME ONE YOU HANG UP  ON  DOES NOT REPRESENT YOU


why does that surprize  you ??


do you actually think  there is ANY OTHER GAME IN TOWN  besides the lesser of 2 evils??

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  So how does this address the OP ?  Do you believe or not believe that that, "somebody has dropped the ball" ?

[45-70.gov]

we had immagrants  on  welfare  and  FBI  watch list 
while our government was  too  busy trying to ban  our guns
and cover their buts in beghazi  and fast and furious



THERE WERE MANY BALLS  DROPPED

[Conan The Librarian]

Did somebody drop the ball on terrorism? I wouldn't say that. It's really a policy change. One acute change was that the budget for training FBI anti-terrorism agents was cut by 50% under Obama. That means that fewer people are being trained, and those that get trained are probably getting less training. There's about a 3 year learning curve on that kind of work, so it affects the FBI's ability to respond to anti-terrorism requirements.
 
All of us conservatives are constantly whining about how we should make policy changes to cut spending and have a smaller government. Such policy changes would have effects.
 
Here's another set of policy changes made by a duly elected president. It has effects too.
 
The same president made it a priority to hunt down and kill Bin Laden. Was that a good thing? Arguably not. Al Quaeda's principal mission and reason for existence is to overthrow the Saudi government. They do other things, obviously, but Bin Laden was ideaologically and religiously anti-Saudi. In a sense he was our ally because US has some bones to pick with the Saudis too. For example, the most influential jihadist mosques in the US were built with the help of Saudi funding.

Was GW Bush's focus on the "war on terror" a good thing? Arguably not because he did so at the expense of competent stewardship of our economy, government spending, and US civil rights. The lunatics were running the asylum during his presidency and it's because he wasn't paying attention.
 

[Sourdough]

We dropped the ball when the Russians told us this guy was a threat to watch him, and we did not.

Republicans dropped the ball when so many stayed home and refused to vote, letting Obama stay in office.  They preferred Obama over a proven reformer and a person able to fix things.  Simply because he is a Mormon.  Bobby Gendil had it right, the party of stupid.

[ironglow]

We dropped the ball when the Russians told us this guy was a threat to watch him, and we did not.

Republicans dropped the ball when so many stayed home and refused to vote, letting Obama stay in office.  They preferred Obama over a proven reformer and a person able to fix things.  Simply because he is a Mormon.  Bobby Gendil had it right, the party of stupid.

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  Sourdough; 
  Thank you..   I was simply asking the question.." Did SOMEBODY drop the ball?"  I wasn't aiming at anybody..in fact the question was open-ended.  Anyone Rep, Dem, Commie, OWS, FBI or CIA..even the local chapter of the YMCA could be mentioned..
  But it seems most just couldn't find ANYBODY or any group who dropped the ball..  Still, the process of elimination requires a conclusion that somebody failed..perhaps several somebodies.  Most here seemed to run off on political 'rabbit trails'..  Thank you for your forthright and direct answer.  That's all I was asking for!

[Casull]

Ooops.
 
 

[Casull]

Look at the last two presidential contenders THAT PARTY ran for president.

The PARTY did not choose the candidates, the VOTERS did.

[45-70.gov]

Look at the last two presidential contenders THAT PARTY ran for president.

The PARTY did not choose the candidates, the VOTERS did.

at least the ones motivated to vote


and  democrats help choose republican candidates  in open primary states


the party and the media  are pushing  some of us not to get involved in the primaries

[Shu]

Unfortunately if you want to combat terrorism the government will have to violate some civil rights. You have to restrict free speech, free press, search and siezure.
Kaddafi, Saddam, Kim Jong Il, and several others squashed anytype of uprising and did not allow extremists to form. Those are dictators of course but I think you get the picture.
The FBI and CIA are afraid to do anything becuase the president won't back them up. You have to get dirty if you want to combat terrorism. How dirty are you willing to get is the question.

[ironglow]

The old military axiom.."Know your enemy"..  Very important; you can't possibly fight the enemy and beat him...if you don't know who he is and how he acts. 
  The Obama gang won't even identify the enemy..won't evven call terrorism; .."terrorism", calling it instead workplace violence..  How can they possibly hope to combat an elusive, diaphanous ghost which they haven't even the courage to name?

[Mongrelcat]

I asked in another post if somebody had "dropped the ball" in combatting terrorism.  Some agreed, but others took me to task for it!
   Let's have a look!  After the attack on 9/11/01, under the Bush admin,  there were zero, zilch..nada more terrorist attacks in the US.  As of this date, there have been 5 terrorist attacks on US soil under B Hussein.
 
  http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/congressman-five-jihadists-have-rea ched-their-targets-united-states-under-barack-obama_719094.html
 
   Of course we should understand..it is hard to declare a terrorist attack..when you can't bring yourself to admit that such a thing as 'terrorism' even exists!   Far easier to calli it "workplace violence".  That's what happens when a man or his country starts lying to itself..  reality slips away..
      The FBI and CIA have been warned repeatedly by the Russian intel agencies...telling these US groups that the this Tamerlan guy was hanging around with some very unsavory, terrorist type birds.  What was done about this valuable information ?  ...Nothing..!   
   http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2013/04/25/Younger-Tsarnaev-was-unarmed-when-police-fired/UPI-39421366865709/
 
    So, I ask again...Did somebody drop the ball?

If this administration did much to combat "terrorism" it would be like a pig eating a ham sandwich...

[Sourdough]

The Austrailians handled it well.  They rounded up all the radical clerics, who were calling for Sharia Law, and sent them packing.  Then they stopped immigration till they got a handle on it.  Today they tell any one coming into their country to leave your radical political views at the boat.  If you don't accept our laws and our way of governing go back where you came from and don't come back.  You are not welcome here.

Ike rounded up illigials and sent them packing, we need to do that again.  Illigal Mexicans, Radical Muslums, and anyone else not assimilating.

[Oldshooter]

If this administration did much to combat "terrorism" it would be like a pig eating a ham sandwich...

    That my friend is quotable!        Sourdough, I agree but you have to read the quote above to understand why it wont happen here.

[ironglow]

We dropped the ball when the Russians told us this guy was a threat to watch him, and we did not.

Republicans dropped the ball when so many stayed home and refused to vote, letting Obama stay in office.  They preferred Obama over a proven reformer and a person able to fix things.  Simply because he is a Mormon.  Bobby Gendil had it right, the party of stupid.

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  Right you are Sourdough;
       Although Romney was not my first choice..I didn't need to rack my brain very hard to KNOW he was a better choice than what we are suffering under now..DUH!  As far as the Mormon thing goes..as an evangelical Christian I can "compartmentalize"..  I was voting for a president, not a pastor!
  We have a president who claims to be a "Christian", but in search of fruit..I can't even locate a dried up prune.
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   ¹⁵ Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
 
¹⁶ Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
 
¹⁷ Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
 
¹⁸ A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
 
¹⁹ Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
 
²⁰ Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them   (Matthew 7:15-20)

[Spanky]

The Austrailians handled it well.  They rounded up all the radical clerics, who were calling for Sharia Law, and sent them packing.  Then they stopped immigration till they got a handle on it.  Today they tell any one coming into their country to leave your radical political views at the boat.  If you don't accept our laws and our way of governing go back where you came from and don't come back.  You are not welcome here.

Ike rounded up illigials and sent them packing, we need to do that again.  Illigal Mexicans, Radical Muslums, and anyone else not assimilating.

 
Now, now Roger you know we can't do that... we might hurt someone's feelings.   Makes me want to puke.
I say put steel toed foot squarely to ass and send them packing again... starting at the top.
 
 
 
Spanky

[ironglow]

The Austrailians handled it well.  They rounded up all the radical clerics, who were calling for Sharia Law, and sent them packing.  Then they stopped immigration till they got a handle on it.  Today they tell any one coming into their country to leave your radical political views at the boat.  If you don't accept our laws and our way of governing go back where you came from and don't come back.  You are not welcome here.

Ike rounded up illigials and sent them packing, we need to do that again.  Illigal Mexicans, Radical Muslums, and anyone else not assimilating.

 
Now, now Roger you know we can't do that... we might hurt someone's feelings.   Makes me want to puke.
I say put steel toed foot squarely to ass and send them packing again... starting at the top.
 
 
 
Spanky

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  What Spanky?  ...Are you trying to "OFFEND" somebody..shame on you..

[Conan The Librarian]

If they were kicked out, then TSA and "homeland" "security" wouldn't need as many employees. Can't do that.
 
Look at the sequester strategy: Instead of doing what Truman and Clinton did when faced with a need to make cuts, we have a situation where the size of government will not shrink, but will resume its normal growth as soon as the sequester is over.
 
Truman and Clinton actually shrank the government by firing people and cutting programs. If you ever want something nice to say about Al Gore, he was the one who identified the cuts that were authorized by Clinton. No doubt, the cuts most likely affected right-leaning interests, but that shouldn't bother anyone because right-leaning interests are always begging for cuts anyway.

[magooch]

Sure some government agencies failed, but what's new.  I think there had to be at least some civilians who should have been alerted at what the "brothers" were up to.  I don't care if it is racism, or prejudice, but I think all muslims should be suspects all the time.  Who are the main terrorists in the world anyway?  We should take a lesson from Australia.

[Oldshooter]

How does it go.... Not all muslims are terrorist , but all terroist are muslim!
 
Except of course all the right wing terrorist that plague the mainstream media!