CCI Stinger won't eject

[lik2hunt]

Ok this is more of an ammo question. I have a Savage MKII .22LR Bolt Action w/t 10 shot clip. I had bought a box of the CCI Stingers a while back to try in it. Well I was getting ready to go the range later with a couple of guns and figured I'd take this one too so I loaded one in the chamber to see how it fit - fit good but the bolt wouldn't cath it to eject it out. Wound up having to use my pocket knife to get it out. Anyone else ever have any of these type probs with this ammo and how can I solve it?

[Nightrain52]

lik2hunt-when you loaded it in the chamber did you load it thru the clip or put it directly into the chamber? I'm not familiar with savage but sometimes the bolt has too " pick-up " the shell from the clip so the head will slip behind the extractor, like a controlled round feed feed on a center fire rifle.

[lik2hunt]

That's a VERY good point. I did not load it from the clip, never even thought of that ,Thanks. I'll try it later and see if that is the problem.

[Brett]

Lik2Hunt, I think Nightrain52 has the answer. I don't have a Savage MKII but I seem to recall doing the same thing you did (load a round into the chamber by hand)  of my Ruger 10/22 with the same results.  

Brett

[lik2hunt]

Nope that ain't it. I tried one from the clip and the same results. I compared the Stinger to a Federal bulk that I have and it appears that the Stingers base is cut just a hair thinner and I think that is preventing my bolt from latching around it and bringing it out of the chamber for ejection......don't know what else I can do. Just shoot the Stingers as if they were out of an NEF Sportster (modified to extractor instead of ejector) I guess.

[Brett]

Does your extractor look worn or bent? It should function with any brand lr ammo.   Maybe you could work out a trade with someone at the range...  Your remainding Stingers for their  :?:   If we were close I'ld work out a trade with you. I have two revolvers that don't care what you feed them for plinking.

Brett

[Robert]

You might have a weak extractor, but I bet it will be fine if you thouroughly clean the chamber, might have to use a bronze brush with some solvent.  This is similar to using 'shorts' in a revolver and then going back to standard ammo.  The shorts leave a ring of residue at the case mouth and if it isnt removed you will have very sticky extraction and the rounds will not chamber easily.
  The stingers have a slightly longer case than standerd LR ammo, normally they will work fine, but if you have a good tight chamber, try breaking up that ring of residue from the standard ammo.  You might want to pull that bolt and clean and lightly lube inside the bolt face.  Look closely for any debris that could be building up inside of the area where the rim seats.
  A lot of 22 ammo burns really dirty.  I get problems with a single-six, sometimes the shells are hard to extract.  I use a bronze brush with Nitro cleaner and a single length of cleaning rod.  I chuck the rod in my Makita battery powered drill on slow speed, makes quick work of the goo.

[timbertoes]

Savage in the NEF Forum ?
excuse me, but if we post replies, which forum areas are you going to read.?

had you read replies in the other areas you posted the same question, you had your answer. no disrepect, but it seems fruitless to help sometimes.

Stingers jamming is a very common problem. dont use them, there is no reason too.
You will get better 22 rimfire results using std. velocity lead
hp's.  This from hundreds of rounds of all the brands at the range.

Look at what the match quality rounds are made of and the vel.
they also make the best hunting rounds because of that.

How big is a squirrels head ?  answer: smaller than the grouping of most HV rounds!!  :grin:

[timbertoes]

The CASE is longer.     thats why it jams.

[Fla Brian]

The CASE is longer.     thats why it jams.

Longer case length in a .22lr shouldn't have any effect in a non match chamber as the case diameter is about the same as the bullet's. There is plenty of tolerance for this in a sporting chamber.

I never use Stingers because I've never found them to be particularly accurate, and there are better alternatives for very high velocity hunting rounds. I just had a chance to try the CCI Velocitors, and they are quite accurate. I get groups of between .25" and .5" on centers for five shot groups with my old 25N at 25 yards, which is not bad for high velocity hunting ammo. That would make for relatively easy head shots on squirrels at practical ranges. I would not hesitate to recommend these over the Stingers any time.

Just my  :money:

[timbertoes]

Bolt Action savage probably has a good tight chamber.
They make good rifles
Ruger has a 10/22  target version, and they tell you not to use stingers.

CCI makes good stuff overall.


have fun

[Robert]

They are cheaply made.  Look at the crappy deformed hollow-point.  For Pete's sake...Their mini-mags are better quality.  I am sure CCI Marketing knew exactly what they were doing with these. "Take el-cheapo bulk bullets, put them in a fancy box,  with a picture of a DINOSAUR...Ha Ha Ha. Put less of them in the box, and sell them for 4X the $$$$!!!!  Great marketing.  Maybe they could just sell the boxes and you could fill them with your own Mini-Mags, and not know the difference!  I am sorry, I don't want to start a ruckas or pick on anybody.  But COMPARE THEM!  I HAVE.  Put them next to other ammo for penetration and performance.
  The Stingers put them to shame as far as penetration goes, and accuracy is comparable.  The Velocitor DOES have a tiny bit more powder than the mini-mag (tiny), but not enough to justify the cost. Yellow Jackets are better then the Velocitors, and also the Quick-Shok from Blount has got to be one of the deadliest RF's on the market.  Either of these are a way better value vs performance than the Velociter.  But the Stinger rules them all for velocity.  I am sure there are other 'solid' bullets that will out-penetrate.  I still have not tried the CCI SGB, or the hot Aguila ammo, haven't seen them around here.

[Fla Brian]

Robert,

Cheaply made or not, the Velocitors are accurate in my rifles, and they will not damage a match chamber. I have never found Stingers to be all that accurate in any rifles I've shot them in, and, penetration doesn't do much good if the bullet doesn't find the target. How much penetration does one need on a squirrel's head anyway?

If you like Stingers, by all means use them, but I think it inappropriate to ridicule anyone else's choice of preferred ammo.  All that matters is what works in the individual firearm. I, for example, have a very fine Kimber 82C Classic that likes Winchester Wildcats. Sure, it's cheap stuff, but the rifle isn't at all snobbish about it. So, why should I care?

[Robert]

I am just saying, dont get 'took' by advertising bunk.  If they shoot accurately in somebody's rifle, that is fine.  I just think they are over-priced and over-rated.  I try lots of different kinds of ammo, and I think my money is better spent on good old 'American Eagle' copper plated hollow-points for 10 bucks a brick.  But I also like to have some of them fancy hyper-velocitys on hand for special purposes.
  P.S.  I found out today that the Quick-Shoks that I like so much have been changed.  The new ones have the C for CCI on the rim instead of a star, and the brass is now the same length as the stinger.  I bought these new style last year but didn't know they changed until I opened one of the boxes today.  I haven't even tried them yet, but I am betting they will be hotter than the old ones.

[Fla Brian]

Robert,

I believe I understood the point you were trying to make.

I, in fact, tried the Velocitors because of the advertising, just as I tried the Stingers. I didn't rush out to buy a case, assuming that the claims for them must be accurate. I tried a couple of boxes. And, I consider them to be worth the price - after testing them.

One cannot tell whether a particular brand of cartridges meets one's requirements until one tries them. I tried Stingers and was not impressed with their accuracy - in my rifles. I would never have known how accurate Wildcats were in my Kimber if I had not tried them. I could have assumed that, at the price, they must be "cheaply made" and beneath my notice. My opinion of Velocitors is not based on how someone else has "over-rated" them not on hype. If they had not shot well in the rifle I intended them for, then I would not be using them.

As for price, that's a decision I'll make for myself. One could argue that the new .17 HMR is overpriced compared to .22 magnums, but that hasn't stopped them from becoming wildly popular. Of course, unlike Stingers, they seem to be very accurate in all rifles that are chambered for them. Just as Stingers are more expensive than "bulk" high velocity rounds.

You said, "I also like to have some of them fancy hyper-velocitys on hand for special purposes." That's the way I look at Velocitors. I don't intend to make them the staple diet of my rifle, just use them when a bit more oomph is required. The main cartridges I use are either the Wildcats or standard velocity stuff.

It is true that hyper-velocity rounds serve some people's purposes, and that is all well and good. I've no complaint with that. I do have a problem with the assumption that, because they're faster, they must, ipso facto, be better. For my part, if I need more velocity than a regular high velocity .22lr, I'll switch to my .22 magnum or a small centerfire .22 like my Hornet. I've found both of them to be more accurate, in my rifles for them, than Stingers in my lr guns.

Isn't it great that we have so many choices available to us? Why quibble over and criticize each others preferences, hmmmm?

Live and let live, I always say.

[Robert]

If you look at these Velocitors with a strong magnifier...THEY DO HAVE a very unique shaped hollow-point that I am sure would really deliver an awesome 'PUNCH'.  However, by the time they get from the factory to US, even though they are in the potective boxes, they are beat to hell.  The rim of the hollow-point is all deformed and there are dents and imperfections all over them.  Now if CCI would supply a small tool to clean them up, that would be awesome.  It would greatly increase the accuracy.  Something like the 22 Acurizer tool, but specifically made for the nose shape of this CCI bullet. All it would take is one little twist.