The "Warmist" religion will have to take a second look...

[ironglow]

  Not only are we involved in the second coldest spring on record..
   http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/04/26/second-coldest-start-to-spring-in-us-history/
 
 
  Now the Russian scientists, who evidently have missed out on Al gore money, say we are headed into a probable cooling period of a couple hundred years.  Using history as a barometer, they are likely to be more accurate than the "scientists" of the Warmist religion.
   http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2013/04/29/russian-scientists-predict-onset-global-cooling
 
 
 Here are  many credible accounts... exposing the "big green lie"...
      http://www.akdart.com/warming12.html
 
   
 ...But don't hold your breath, waiting for the Gaia worshippers to "get it" !

[Oldshooter]

Yea well IG its cooler right now because global is warming affecting that it way. dont ya understand the science, Geez. Its really simple, man and cows fart, man starts truck, gas from truck and cow, and man mix circulating around and around and eats up protective layer enabling sun to warm gas making spring cooler, now that being said summer will warm up a bit! I predict it! Its science stupid! 

[ironglow]

  I guess we can expect there will be no examination of the evidence.  It doesn't fit their agenda or fatten their wallets..ask Al Gore.
  We can assume we will get just a bushel of empty "spin" right here on GBO.... maybe more than a bushel!

[SharonAnne]

we know nothing of global climate cycles. That is 'climate' not 'weather'.  Since we have not lived or had records from one 'ice age' to the next we have no idea of what goes on.  Humans have hand negligble effect on climate. Mt St Helens has had more effect on weather and climate than all of humans pollution combined. Now add in all of the volcanic activity since humans have recorded it and human impact is as close to zero as possible.

It takes centuries for the effects of things such as volcanic eruptions to begin to affect climate. For any human to claim they know what and when something impacted climate is the height of egotism. But hey, he DID invent the internet, didn't he?

[two-blocked]

anecdotal evidence (uncountable)

• A limited selection of examples which support or refute an argument, but which are not supported by scientific or statistical analysis.

[ironglow]

anecdotal evidence (uncountable)

• A limited selection of examples which support or refute an argument, but which are not supported by scientific or statistical analysis.

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    I see you're still drinking the Koolaid !!   That stuff must be getting stale and moldy by now...
 
    In the meantime AlGore is laughing at you...all the way to the bank!   
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  Meanwhile; enjoy a photo of Al Gore's new $ 8, 875, 000 ocean front home in California.  You know..he bought it on a beach he claimed would be under 20 feet of water in 10 years or so..due to the world's ice caps melting...

[Victor3]

  I guess we can expect there will be no examination of the evidence. 

 Of course not. As you said, it's a "religion." However, they do get new revelations once in a while. Notice that it's "Global Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming" in most denominations now.


 You see IG, it's similar to the mormons. When the Feds cracked down on their polygamist prophets, they received a new divine directive stating that the polygamy dispensation had come to a close. Talk about party poopers.


 If it gets really cold over the next decade, the Warmists will just pull out the "STOP THE ICE AGE" posters they saved from when they protested back in the 70's. 

[ironglow]

  Oh yes; in "OZ"  the phrase was, "pay no attention to the man in the green coat"..
 
  In this new LAND of OZ.. the only words allowed are;
 
" BY ALL MEANS PAY ATTENTION TO THE MAN WITH THE GREEN FAIRY TALE " 
 
  The sequel ?  The tinman, cowardly lion and scarecrow all went into a panic and followed the phony wizard ! 
 
    Dorothy laughed the phony off, left the Land of Oz..and went back to the farm in Kansas.. where people believed in common sense..  
 

[ChungDoQuan]

That's like saying, "It rained an inch here yesterday so the 5 years of drought are over."

[mcwoodduck]

That's like saying, "It rained an inch here yesterday so the 5 years of drought are over."

But the problem with the Man Made Global Wrming cult is that if it rains more it is man made global warming, if it rains less it is man made global warming, if it rains the same it is because of the rules, regulations and laws that the cult has mandated are working but  need to go farther to protect the earth more. 
What makes me question the cult is they do not take the SUN into their equasions.  How can you not take the heat source into the equasions?
If the Man Made Global Warming cult were true their highest preist AL Gore will stop building multi thousand square foot house with swimming pools, and flying on private jets and using caravans of cars.  He would be calling for the boycott of all Chineese and Mexican  goods until they adheared to the enviromental standards of the Cult and stop poluting the air, water and ground. 

[ChungDoQuan]

The ozone layer has been thinning for decades. That thinning is directly related to man made pollution. What the ozone does is filter the SUN. As far back as 1970, the real rulers of the world, the capitalist overlords have a set response to anything that impairs them from making more money than they made last quarter:
1)  Lie.
2) If you are caught in the lie , do research, but limited research designed to only support the original lie. As soon as the research appears to support the lie, stop research, and publicize it as benchmark research.
3) Continue lying.
4) Discredit legitimate research that conflicts with the original, phony research through false equivalency, distraction, and creating doubt about the source of the legitimate research--- the public largely will not know the difference.
5) Keep lying. Give financial support to both parties, so that no matter who wins, they OWE you and your lobbyists. Ignore the fact that "bipartisan consensus" in a two party system is the same as "single party rule."

After 40 years or so, one can tell that this has worked out well for the capitalists.

[ironglow]

Talked to my grandson in Missouri last evening.  Day before yesterday they had 80 degrees and warm..yesterday morning SNOW.
  Have you heard Sourdough's accounts from Alaska?
 
    You speak of "telling lies"..  East Anglia U. , the "go to authority" for the UN and Al Gore, were lying for years..and then they got caught!
  You have to get with it Chung; the pendulum is coming back these days.  No less that the Massachusetts Institute of Technology now says it looks like many were doing the "chicken little" act..(and profitting from it).  http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/06/is-global-warming-part-of-earths-natural-cycle-mit-team-says-yes.html
     Chung, I think we all agree that the climate change is a fact..it changes every day...just as it did in Missouri the other day.  The debatable part is whether man causes it..most think not..

[two-blocked]

Agreed, you can trust MIT. They're probably the number one source for all things scientific.
Rather than relying on an old filtered and repackaged 2009 article from the Daily Galaxy I have no doubt that those seeking the truth will be inspired to purchase or borrow from the library a book endorsed by MIT explaining the global warming phenomenon.
 
Climate Change-What it means to us, our children and our grandchildren
 
http://mitpress.mit.edu/books/climate-change

[rkeltner]

if you want to know how 'real' a concept is, just look at the behavior of the people who promote it the loudest. al gore with his multiple mansions, purchased with millions obtained by 'nuancing' the climate change narrative; b.o., jet setting in air force one, making multiple trips accross country and around the world in a matter of days, rather than organizing meetings to provide less of a carbon footprint from travel; al gore, again, purchasing ocean front properties at a cut rate price because of the warning that they would be in flood plains resulting from the ocean rising, then developing those propeerties as resorts....the examples are legion, because these people know they are directing us into the barn for fleecing. another eye opener is to check out the locations of the leaders of the old line communist organizations...you'll find a large number of them in the green movement! further, it's interesting to compare the goals of communism and the green movement....they are shockinly similar!

[SharonAnne]

Chung, one volcanic eruption produces more greenhouse gasses than all of mankinds contributions, ever.

What occurred in Missouri is called weather. Climate occurs over a great many years.

[ChungDoQuan]

http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm

Wrong! Just more mythology gleaned from lies...

[SharonAnne]

CDQ you are well indoctinated however you need to drink a really big glass of the Kool-Aid!

[ironglow]

if you want to know how 'real' a concept is, just look at the behavior of the people who promote it the loudest. al gore with his multiple mansions, purchased with millions obtained by 'nuancing' the climate change narrative; b.o., jet setting in air force one, making multiple trips accross country and around the world in a matter of days, rather than organizing meetings to provide less of a carbon footprint from travel; al gore, again, purchasing ocean front properties at a cut rate price because of the warning that they would be in flood plains resulting from the ocean rising, then developing those propeerties as resorts....the examples are legion, because these people know they are directing us into the barn for fleecing. another eye opener is to check out the locations of the leaders of the old line communist organizations...you'll find a large number of them in the green movement! further, it's interesting to compare the goals of communism and the green movement....they are shockinly similar!

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  You are so right..  God himself says (Matt 7:15,16) we are to judge such outspoken people (gurus, prophets or whatever) as Al Gore "by his fruits".  In today's idiom we say the same thing.."Don't listen to what he says,  but rather watch what he does "
  That is very sound advice, from a mind way beyond all earthly minds combined. 
 
  Yes, to even the more mildly perceptive mind, the communist/enviro-wack union is all too evident !  The common term for these types is "watermelon" .. Green on the outside, Red on the inside!
 
  Just review folks on this forum and their opinions see if this doesn't make sense generally:
  Those who disallow the "global warming" theory..  tend to be for smaller government, self sufficency, taxes too high for everybody, believe in God, don't consider the govt as the answer to most things, deride "political correctness" and carry no grudge against free enterprise and success.  Their posts often have them supporting maximum individual freedom.
 
  Those who accept the "global warming" scenario.. tend to be in favor of a powerful federal govt, tend toward "group think", urge high taxes for "some', try to ridicule God, think govt is the answer to nearly everything, devour and spout "political correctness", have a grudge against free enterprise and personal success (group think again), hate 'capitalists' (commies #1 enemy)...  and their posts show their pink leanings.
   
   Is this not a close generalization ?
 
  BTW: political correctness is a whole subject unto itself..briefly, it is leftist censorship!

[ChungDoQuan]

CDQ you are well indoctinated however you need to drink a really big glass of the Kool-Aid!

Did you leave me any?

[mcwoodduck]

CDQ,
And yet you do not address the hypocracy of Al Gore and his life style while he asked you to live in a cave, compost your poop and pay him for carbon credits to fuel his Private jet.   

[ChungDoQuan]

Gore is not one of my favorite people. Back when he was VP, he got permits to strip mine for germanium on the Gore holdings--- strip mining was illegal in Tennesee then, and still is, except for the Gores. Germanium is needed for the super fast computer chips. At any rate, you can't trust ANY of the big money people, no matter which side of the aisle the sit (or sat) on. As soon as they hit money in the nine figures, they consider themselves the ruling class, and above things like political parties. Are y'all aware that "bipartisan consensus" is indistinguishable from "single party rule?"


That does not mean that climate change is imaginary, nor does it mean man's affect on it is imaginary, either.

[mcwoodduck]

Gore is not one of my favorite people. Back when he was VP, he got permits to strip mine for germanium on the Gore holdings--- strip mining was illegal in Tennesee then, and still is, except for the Gores. Germanium is needed for the super fast computer chips. At any rate, you can't trust ANY of the big money people, no matter which side of the aisle the sit (or sat) on. As soon as they hit money in the nine figures, they consider themselves the ruling class, and above things like political parties. Are y'all aware that "bipartisan consensus" is indistinguishable from "single party rule?"


That does not mean that climate change is imaginary, nor does it mean man's affect on it is imaginary, either.

It does not mean that the money did not start the Great LIE to create carbon credits, to create research, to create the expense to business that it has.  And then why is the enviromental movement not screaming to have manufacturing made here in the US instead of pushing manufacturing to China and increasing the pollution 3 fold. 

[ChungDoQuan]

Well, you see, the problem with capitalism is the same as only having a hammer--- pretty soon everything looks like a nail. What you have to remember is that the Democrats, our "liberals," are capitalists too. They weren't creating the research; they were trying to make money off it. That was the whole idea of carbon credits, too--- they could be traded for monetary gain. The EPA was better under Nixon, when they said simply that you had to meet the requirements or you had to shut down. Everything they added after that was a loophole. Those loopholes allow them to continue destroying the environment. The environmentalists have been bought off, too. I guess everyone has a price, after all. Still does not mean they are NOT trashing the eco system.

[two-blocked]

Why do some continue to dismiss the scientific concensus and cling to the "flat earth" cult?
 
 
Climate Change in the American Mind: Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012
http://climatechangecommunication.org/sites/default/files/reports/Climate-Beliefs-September-2012.pdf
 
 
For some people, scientific facts help determine what they believe about an issue. But for others, political views trump scientific facts and determine what information they will accept as true.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121004134731.htm
 

• 63% of those with no post-school qualifications were unconvinced about the role of humans in producing climate change
• University graduates were much more likely to take the opposite view, with 86% agreeing that human activity was responsible
• Differences in attitude were also noted based on income levels, with those in the highest quartile more likely than those in the lowest to believe that human activity was behind the changes in the earth’s climate.
  http://www.ecopedia.com/environment/demographics-climate-change-who-believes-it-is-real/
   
  Is Belief in Jesus’ Second Coming and the Biblical End Times Impacting Climate Change?
  http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/03/is-belief-in-jesus-second-coming-and-the-biblical-end-times-impacting-climate-change/
   
  Who's Bankrolling the Climate-Change Deniers?
  http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0%2C8599%2C2096055%2C00.html
   
   

[Cuts Crooked]

All I know is that here in my part of the midwest we are having the second coldest spring on record and there is 5" of fresh "global warming" covering my back yard.
 
However..........the educated idjits, and the big money politiocs, would have me believe that this too is caused by global warming!

[mcwoodduck]

Well, you see, the problem with capitalism is the same as only having a hammer--- pretty soon everything looks like a nail. What you have to remember is that the Democrats, our "liberals," are capitalists too. They weren't creating the research; they were trying to make money off it. That was the whole idea of carbon credits, too--- they could be traded for monetary gain. The EPA was better under Nixon, when they said simply that you had to meet the requirements or you had to shut down. Everything they added after that was a loophole. Those loopholes allow them to continue destroying the environment. The environmentalists have been bought off, too. I guess everyone has a price, after all. Still does not mean they are NOT trashing the eco system.

But capitalism is the best system.  It gave us Ducks Unlimited that saves wetlands.  It gave us Dolphin safe tuna, it gave us modern medicine.  None of these will ever come from a demand society. 
Carbon credits were a ponzi scheeme to part you and huge companies from their money.  The premise of a carbon credit was that you pay for the use of your laptop, Car or TV and they give your money rto someone in the third world not to use those items.  The peoblem is that as you give them money not to use those things they now want those items and with your carbon credits they buy one.  The other side of it was you send $20 for carbon credits and they then keep $15 of it and send $5 on.   
The left runs on loopholes.
And yet you still have not addressed the pollution that the factories in the 3rd world and communist world produce that is not produced here. 
And much like dolphin safe tuna you can use capitalism to show clean production and create a demand for those products based on earth friendly production. 
Oh and right back at you.  When you see everything as a capitalist way to pollute the water, ground and air and not the most efficient way to use capital, labor and natural resources to create the safest and cleanset products and develope new better technologies. 

[SharonAnne]

Did you leave me any?
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Never touch the stuff. 

 Can we now look at the totally uncontrolled air, soil and water pollution from the eastern world.  China and N. Korea make the worst days of USA look like a clear sky day.

[ChungDoQuan]

Capitalism might be the best system SO FAR. And, primarily, because the capitalists have used vast resources to keep any socialistic government from succeeding. You can't complain about The Chinese and Koreans--- they learned from us.

[ironglow]

Capitalism might be the best system SO FAR. And, primarily, because the capitalists have used vast resources to keep any socialistic government from succeeding. You can't complain about The Chinese and Koreans--- they learned from us.

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  You won't hear me complaining about the economic faults of China or South Korea.  China wasn't doing near so well until they adopted a form of capitalism.  They have proven this by leaving capitalist Hong Kong essentially as it was, upon returned to them a few years ago.
  South Korea is a remarkable picture of capitalism at work...compare it to the socialism of North Korea. 
    Poland, Roumania and the Czechs , since their escape from  Soviet domination, have followed the capitalist model.  Compare them to Cuba which tries to maintain the Soviet model. I do believe though, Cuba will modify in the near future.
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  You  claim that "capitalists" spend vast resources keeping socialist governments from succeeding.  How do you figure that..and why would a corporation bother spending resources to suppress socialist governments?  Corporations are owned by people (shareholders) it would seem that any vast sums spent upon "fighting socialism" would be difficult to explain.  For those corps I am invested in, I would  suspect my financial advisor would question them severely over such a move.
  A corporation is owned by people but the entity of a corporation itself is concerned with one concern..the bottom line. 
  Sorry Chung, but your idea of capitalists spending vast sums to cripple socialist governments, just sounds like more excuse laden propaganda written by a Marxist professor...who never has really run a successful business. ...Just my $ .02

[ChungDoQuan]

You're still under the impression that our capitalists are separate from and independent of our government instead of running it. The US government had done nothing the capitalists have not wanted since Kennedy was assassinated. That was the warning to the rest of our puppet government.