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Re: The "Warmist" religion will have to take a second look...
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2013, 02:49:56 AM »
  • 63% of those with no post-school qualifications were unconvinced about the role of humans in producing climate change
  • University graduates were much more likely to take the opposite view, with 86% agreeing that human activity was responsible
  • Differences in attitude were also noted based on income levels, with those in the highest quartile more likely than those in the lowest to believe that human activity was behind the changes in the earth’s climate.
    http://www.ecopedia.com/environment/demographics-climate-change-who-believes-it-is-rea


 Got a genuine "lol" out of that one. One could contend that I'm a product of the US 'liberal factories' (universities) but unlike many of my colleagues, I'm not so 'open minded' on this issue that my brain has fallen out.
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« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2013, 07:15:49 AM »
Why do some continue to dismiss the scientific concensus and cling to the "flat earth" cult?
 
 
Climate Change in the American Mind: Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012
http://climatechangecommunication.org/sites/default/files/reports/Climate-Beliefs-September-2012.pdf
 
 
For some people, scientific facts help determine what they believe about an issue. But for others, political views trump scientific facts and determine what information they will accept as true.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121004134731.htm
 
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« Reply #32 on: May 05, 2013, 10:36:23 AM »
All together now;
 
  Start spinning.....  http://www.inquisitr.com/648986/snow-in-may/
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« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2013, 10:43:38 AM »
Why do some continue to dismiss the scientific concensus and cling to the "flat earth" cult?
 
 
Climate Change in the American Mind: Americans’ Global Warming Beliefs and Attitudes in September 2012
http://climatechangecommunication.org/sites/default/files/reports/Climate-Beliefs-September-2012.pdf
 
 
For some people, scientific facts help determine what they believe about an issue. But for others, political views trump scientific facts and determine what information they will accept as true.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121004134731.htm
 
I guess you are one of the ones that haven't figured out yet, that its all a big fat lie, to do nothing but gain control over how you live. Cast all the political crap aside, and try using some common sense.

Its no wonder college and high schools graduates believe the global warming scam. Look at what they are being taught. Just because someone goes to college, doesn't automatically make them intelligent, or full of wisdom.     

 
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« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2013, 08:00:41 AM »
sadly "common sense" is an oxymoron
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« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2013, 08:32:58 AM »
You do know the ozone layer is replenished by lightning.  So if it storms more, the ozone layer is replinished.  So the little cans of freon can't hold a candle to a bolt of lightning.  Nasa found this out because the ozone layer actually expands and contracts.  Sometimes it covers the upper atmosphere, and sometimes there are holes in it, but they are usually at the poles where there is not direct sun.  Also, a Danish scientist found out that the heating and cooling of the earth was more affected by solar flare activity than from man.  He overlapped the weather information with the solar flare activity and it concided.  So the sun does have more effect on the weather than man ever has.  Also like someone said, one volcanic erruption spews out more polution in one erruption than all of mans activity in a year.  If all the do good liberals planted just ONE tree in their yard, they would all absorb the CO2 man put out, so quit trying to stop people from working, traveling, enjoying life, and plant a tree. 
 
I remember another study done in the early 70's that showed cities were around 5 degrees hotter than the surrounding countryside.  Reason given was asphalt.  Asphalt is black and absorbs heat, so cities are naturally hotter.  This also had a greater effect on warming than even the burning of fossil fuels.  So, concrete was suggested as well as planting shade trees along the highways to cool them. 
 
I have lived long enough to see a lot of seudo science.  Sometimes it is just as simple as solar flares or more asphalt roads. 

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« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2013, 10:32:57 AM »
You will note that those who make money by selling "global warming", such as Al Gore and universities who are given millions in federal and UN grants to "prove" global warming only report bad news.
  We know by now that when the ice cap melts in one place..it is growing in another place; when the water rises in one area it is likely to be receding in another .  The warmists leading gurus only report the rising water and the portion of the ice cap which is melting..we have to find out ALL the news from other sources.  They simply "lie by omission".
 
  NOTE:  It wasn't the warmists who reported those news stories I linked to in replies #32 and #33..  If they did, they would try to take you on a trip wearing Dorothy's red shoes..and try to spin a blizzard into "global warming".. ;) ;D :P
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« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2013, 03:06:42 PM »
The climate on this planet can't be adjusted by anyone, it has been both very hot and very cold before we were here, it will continue to do what it will, emptying people's wallets will not change it one way or the other, and obviously a government that can't control anything would not be able to control the climate either. The sun is not stable, it has a life cycle, the earth is not stable, we are all spinning through space, I would suggest when anyone gets these odd feelings of thinking they or a government have the power to change the climate on a planet, they just need to have a drink or two and come back down to earth. Humans have a tendency to get a little carried away sometimes.

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« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2013, 03:16:35 PM »
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obviously a government that can't control anything would not be able to control the climate either.

Exactly!!!!!  Very good post!
 
There is no proof that man is the culprit here. Just sayin it dont make it so. You can presume or hypothesize all you want. But even then, the above statement is TRUTH!
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2013, 12:26:44 PM »
the earth goes through cycles as does the sun. Global warming brings on an ice age by dumping fresh water into the North Atlantic. This stops the North Atlantic Conveyor aka the Gulf Stream. The Gulf Stream is not stopped but is pushed down below the fresh water from the glacial melting of Greenland.  This stops the warm water keeping Britain and western Europe warmer than other countries at their latitude. Remember hearing about the 'little ice age' in Europe?

This starts the cooling trend that brings on an Ice Age. What stops an Ice Age is anyones guess. Perhaps it is one of Sols' increasing activity cycles.


btw.  A huge aside. Our planet is not named Earth.  It is properly named "Terra". Remember the term " Terra-firma".  That is the earth part. I suppose the oceans are " Terra-aquatica".  The name for our sun is "Sol" and our moon is " Luna". 

The primary of an solar system is A sun. Then there are the sattelites that orbit the primary. They are called planets.  What orbits a planet is A moon.

as I said, a huge aside.
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« Reply #41 on: May 16, 2013, 04:21:53 AM »
"Terra," "Sol," and "Luna," are just Latin for "Earth," "Sun," and "Moon."   The entire rest of the world accepts man made global warming as fact. Only in the US, where a large proportion of the public is uneducated enough to think belief is the same as fact is there any controversy on this subject.
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« Reply #42 on: May 16, 2013, 04:31:03 AM »
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Only in the US, where a large proportion of the public is uneducated enough to think belief is the same as fact is there any controversy on this subject.

Really uneducated?  Some of us can put a sentence together that is grammatically correct....... and spell!
 
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« Reply #43 on: May 16, 2013, 07:07:59 AM »
"Terra," "Sol," and "Luna," are just Latin for "Earth," "Sun," and "Moon."   The entire rest of the world accepts man made global warming as fact. Only in the US, where a large proportion of the public is uneducated enough to think belief is the same as fact is there any controversy on this subject.
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  Perhaps not so much "educated" as "indoctrinated"..  Perhaps you should go to one of those places where people have been sucked in..you might feel better..
  For you and other warmists:
     
                  The opossum hangs by his tail and says,.... " what a topsy-turvy world this is !"
 
 
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« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2013, 07:20:56 AM »
The opossum hangs by his tail and says,.... " what a topsy-turvy world this is !"
 
Mr. Possum is correct.  Imagine his amusement while watching the ostriches with their head in the sand! ;)

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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2013, 01:44:44 PM »
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Only in the US, where a large proportion of the public is uneducated enough to think belief is the same as fact is there any controversy on this subject.

Really uneducated?  Some of us can put a sentence together that is grammatically correct....... and spell!
 
Go back to your handlers and tell them. "They aren't buying it, what do I say now!"
Since the liberals, the socialists, and the Man Made Globalists are the ones that have been in charge of education in the US for the past 40 years, I believe QDC is correct, a large portion of our country is uneducated they have been indoctrinated and what we learned as Multiplication tables and could easily shout out 6X7= 42, the modern school teacher now makes the students beable to shout out Carbon credits, tax increases, and More $ is needed for education and less people are educated and critical thinging is not taught.  Because clearly now matter what we Tell QDC about how Capitalism and a free market is what he wants and show him time and time again that what he spouts off is wrong, he has been brain washed and will continue to spout out like a times table that Communism and Socialism are the only systems that work, no matter where you look in the world neither has ever worked as a productive system that has just not folded and left many starving. 

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« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2013, 03:32:17 PM »
There was an intensive study done by a Danish scientist.  His conclusion.  Solar flare activity had more to do with global warming and cooling than anything man has done since solar flares have been recorded.  Man was spewing out more CO2 during the coal age than during the oil age.  Also, when Mt. St. Helens erupted.  It spewed more CO2 than all the industry in the US for an entire year.  Man made global warming is only something liberals push to get MORE CONTROL over our lives.  It has nothing to do with the weather. 
 
If we all used solar, wind, geothermal, and ocean wave power, they would claim the earth is getting too cool and we need to burn more fossil fuels. 
 
I saw a study in the 1970's if I can find it in my old paperwork.  It said too much asphalt paving for roads, not only in the US but around the world was contributing to higher surface temperatures in cities and developed areas.  Cities back then averaged 3-5 degrees hotter than the surrounding countryside.  With global development and more roads being paved with asphalt, in China, India, South America, Africa.  The heat absorbed by black asphalt might hold more heat than CO2.  No one is talking about that.  One suggestion back then was use more concrete, and use more white shingles and roofs on buildings to reflect the heat back into space.  Hmmmm, just white paint and shingles, and concete streets in cities instead of asphalt.  Hmmm.  Is it that simple, that a gradual change in road construction materials and lighter shingles on roofs would help?  They also say that snow cover in the winter helps reflect some heat back.  Well, white shingles, white, silver, or light covered roofs.  White vehicles, concrete roads, etc.  Hmm.  No real cost for anyone really.  Not like FORCED use of alternative fuels and hybirds that are not yet cost effective. 

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« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2013, 03:38:41 PM »
The opossum hangs by his tail and says,.... " what a topsy-turvy world this is !"
 
Mr. Possum is correct.  Imagine his amusement while watching the ostriches with their head in the sand! ;)
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« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2013, 04:39:58 PM »
Sorry Dixie but the 70's were full of concepts that didn't quite pan out. Here's the latest info:
 
‘It’s the sun, stupid’–Very bright, yes, but not getting brighter   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/its-the-sun-stupid/
 
Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect’ — No, it isn’t   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/warming-is-due-to-the-urban-heat-island-effect/

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« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2013, 05:07:59 PM »
Sorry Dixie but the 70's were full of concepts that didn't quite pan out. Here's the latest info:
 
‘It’s the sun, stupid’–Very bright, yes, but not getting brighter   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/its-the-sun-stupid/
 
Warming is due to the Urban Heat Island effect’ — No, it isn’t   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/warming-is-due-to-the-urban-heat-island-effect/
If this is true and I am not saying it is, then why does the Man Made Global Warming Calculations not take the sun into the equasion?
It would be like doing a heat calc load for a building and not adding in the windows of the building.  (glass lets out heat and also allows sun in heating it.  Forgetting part of the system is not showing fully scientifically the real answer.  We also do not take the orbit of the earth into account.  We all see the rings in solar system models as perfect circles but are they?  As your model suggests the sun is not getting brighter does that mean that it is loosing mass and then gravity is changing and our orbit will change making the planet warmer or cooler?
Again from what I have seen of the research and the conclusions, no matter what data you enter into the equasion it equals Man Made Global warming.  Warmer = it and cooler = it.  staying the same =man made global warming.  Sounds like rain making to me. 

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« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2013, 10:43:02 AM »
while Terra. Sol and Luna many indeed be latin for Earth, sun and moon, they are the names for our planet, our primary and our sattelite. Proper names.  No other planet is named Terra, no other primary is named Sol and no other sattelite is named Luna.

Proper names Chung. Many names mean something. If Chung means something would you allow yourself to be called that meaning? No, your name is Chung.  Also, earth, sun and moon are only what they are called in English.  That is why the scientific names are used. They are the same in all languages.  When the term "miocardial infarction" is used in a hospital, it is understood by all trained health care workers. "heart attack" is only used in English.
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« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2013, 04:44:06 PM »
Moot point. I'd doubt that you would get a generalized cross cultural concensus that those words are the proper names .

"Chung" means "center" in Korean. "Chung Do Kwan" (Zhong Dao Chuan in Chinese-- I purposely misspelled part of it.) translates to "Center Way Strike," The Way of Striking the Center--- one of the oldest Korean TaeKwanDo styles. It was my first martial art; I started learning in 1974. I also practice BaGuaZhang and Muay Thai. And, though I occasionally take students, and it IS how I live, that's not how I make a living. I work in healthcare, with multiple positions. Anyway, it's an alias, just for this board. My name is Jim.

By the way, the use of  Latin and Greek terminology goes back to the Middle Ages and the Rennaisance, when all educated people were schooled in the classics, in the original Latin and Greek. "Myocardial infarction" is literally Latin for "damage in the heart muscle." (Latin was the only foreign language offered in my small town Tennessee high school.)

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« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2013, 07:08:03 PM »
It has been the coldest spring here where I live in many years, but a temporary spike, up or down is meaningless.   The only thing that matters is what is going on in the "long run."

I'm probably older than most of you on this forum and I would like to pass on to you a personal observation:
There is a small river that runs through my farm.   When I was a kid (early 1950s, I used to get to skate on this river a few times every year.   At the same time, An elderly neighbor lady used to tell me about how her husband had once had an ice house and had cut blocks of ice out of the river to sell, back in the 1920s.    Now, this river just "skims" over a couple of times a year.   Skating would be totally out of the question.

My point, is that since at least the 1920s there has been a very slow and gradual warming that is apparent to anyone who had some sort of local "yardstick" to compare past years to, and also lived long enough to be able to see the changes.

Now, this is not to say that global warming is or is not aggravated by man.   I think the jury is still out on that one.   However, I think there is no doubt that we have been witnessing it for years.    The big question is, will this be a long prolonged warming, or only a short one.    Obviously, no one knows.

Lastly, to politicize global warming is sheer folly.   Long term climate trends, up or down, are simply not political issues.  Generally things have multiple causation, and I expect we will never know the actual cause of the warming.

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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2013, 11:48:59 PM »
We are going to cool again, and when the earth does, man will be blamed for it. Just as man is being blamed for any warming. Many of us have forgotten the winters we had in the late 70's when the leftists were screaming man made global cooling.
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« Reply #54 on: May 20, 2013, 06:15:31 AM »
Mulberry,
The jury's not out on climate change. It's real.
‘There is no consensus’–If this is not consensus, what would consensus look like?   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/there-is-no-consensus/
 
 
Sorry DDZ, you're not facing the facts
Global warming is part of a natural cycle’–This idea is one short step above appealing to magic   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/current-global-warming-is-just-part-of-a-natural-cycle/

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« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2013, 03:32:09 PM »
in the 40s my dad would walk across the St. Clair River to Michigan on the ice. In the 50s we would run around on the ice in the St. Clair River. They had a contest where an old car would be pushed out onto Sarnia Bay and you would buy tickets for when it went through the ice. Yes, they did haul the clunkers out of the water.

By the early 60s I rode my bicycle in the mist on the day after Christmas, just south of Lake Huron. It was in the late 70s or early 80s IIRC that Lake Superior froze over for the first time since man has been in the area. The indiginous tribes did not have stories or legends of it freezing over. It was the lake that did not freeze over.

By the later 80s we had such a wet summer nationally that in places the Mississippi River was over 50 miles wide. In 1986 Arizona had such a wet winter that 'rivers' that were usually bone dry were over 2 miles wide.

So in just less than 30 years I have seen the warmest and coldest winters on record and the wettest summer and winter. 

Yes, we have warming and cooling and drought and flood. It is called weather and it changes. Get used to it.
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« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2013, 04:29:02 PM »
"It is called weather and it changes. Get used to it."
Exactly, except weather is not climate change.
 
We can’t even predict the weather next week’–But weather is not climate   
http://grist.org/climate-energy/we-cant-even-predict-the-weather-next-week/
 
A natural cycle requires a forcing, and no known forcing exists that fits the fingerprints of observed warming - except anthropogenic greenhouse gases.
http://skepticalscience.com//global-warming-natural-cycle.htm

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« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2013, 04:41:29 PM »
And yes weather does change and the climate may be changing but it does not mean that the cause is man made. 
The last ICE age was more to do with the north and south American continants joining and changing the ocean currents than anything else.  as the earth plates are changing as well as erosion caused by rain fall changes the depths of the oceans.  Clearly you are not going to say that the earth changing by erosion, by techtonic plates shifting is man made like Sam Jackson did when he blamed the Hati earth quake on it  and President Bush.