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Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« on: May 02, 2013, 06:36:31 AM »
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Eagle Scout Facing Expulsion over Gun Charge  Posted in Top Stories | 0 comments Eagle Scout Facing Expulsion over Gun Charge May 1, 2013 Print This Post
  By Todd Starnes
Eagle Scout Cole Withrow was just a few weeks from graduating with honors from his North Carolina high school, but now the active church member is facing a felony weapons charge and a precarious future after accidentally leaving a shotgun in his pickup truck in the school parking lot.
 
Most members of the Johnston County community, just southeast of Raleigh believe the 18-year-old is paying far too big a price for an honest mistake. Withrow had been skeet shooting with friends a day before, and only noticed he had left his shotgun in his truck on Monday morning as he reached to grab his book bag, said family friend Kimberly Boykin. When he realized his mistake, rather than leave school grounds, he went to the front office to call his mother for help.
 
“He didn’t know what to do,” Boykin, whose son is friends with Withrow, told Fox News. “If you jump in the truck and leave, then they get you for skipping school. Once you are there you have to say.
“I think it’s an injustice for this young man,” she added. “He’s a good guy. He’s loved by his classmates and his teachers. You don’t become an Eagle Scout by being a bad seed.”
She said the school district is sending a very bad message to students.
 Cole Withrow with his sister. Cole Withrow with his sister. “You teach your kids if you’re in trouble or if you see you’ve done something wrong, go ahead and admit it,” she said. “Be a man and it’ll be fixed. In this case, that’s what he did and he’s being punished for it. That’s not the lesson we need to teach our kids.”
Withrow, who did his senior class project on gun safety, locked the gun in his truck before going to call his mother. But when he asked her to come and take the gun, the trouble started.
 
“He was overheard in a private conversation with his mother explaining what happened,” Boykin said. “He could have told a story, but he told the truth.”
A spokesperson for Johnston County Schools confirmed to Fox News that they found the shotgun in Withrow’s locked vehicle.
“The law is very clear when a person knowingly and willingly brings a weapon onto educational property,” spokesperson Tracey Peedin Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately.”
 
Boykin said he was also expelled for 365 days – meaning that he will not be able to graduate from high school.
“He cannot go back on the campus,” Boykin said. “If that happens he won’t get a diploma. He won’t get to walk across the stage with the kids he’s known since birth. He won’t get to start college in the fall.”
Withrow’s arrest has sparked outrage across this small town, southeast of Raleigh. A Facebook page has been launched to generate support for the boy – and students have launched a Twitter hash-tag “#FREECOLE.”
“He is very honest and respectable and would never intentionally try to hurt anyone,” said classmate Kelcie Thomas. “It was an honest mistake and my whole school is backing him up and supporting him fully.”
 
The Withrow family is not talking to the media on the advice of their attorney – but Boykin said the family is just heartbroken.
“It’s almost like they are in a fog – something so innocent has turned into this big to-do,” she said. “When you try to do the right thing, you get in trouble.”
 Cole Withrow with is family. Cole Withrow with is family. The school system is standing by their decision.
“Administration reacted promptly and the proper procedures and protocol were followed,” Jones said. “The situation was turned over to law enforcement immediately. As a result of our investigation, it is our best determination that students and staff were safe at all times.”
Boykin said the problem is that the laws are black and white.
“There’s no room for gray area,” she said. “There’s no room for discretion for human error.”
While his future remains unclear, Boykin said an encounter last week sums up the character of Cole Withrow.
 
“The kids got their caps and gowns on Friday and after school a group of them went to a local Mexican restaurant,” she recounted.
“They were being loud teenagers and carrying on – but when the waiter brought their food – the table got quiet. They all bowed their heads and they said the blessing. Cole was one of those kids.”
Boykin said she cried when another mom told her that story.
“They don’t always make the right decisions,” she said. “But I don’t know what other kind of decision he could have made at that point.”
Like many in this town of 1,000 residents, Boykin is dumbfounded.
“Honestly, my heart just broke,” she said. “I know that it was just an honest mistake.”
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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 11:37:46 AM »
If he truly didn't know what to do then he hasn't gotten much of an education and especially he has missed out on learning common sense. He should have driven back home immediately and removed the gun, gone back to school and accepted whatever happened for being late. He had to know if they found out about the gun he was in for more misery than he was ready to deal with. Just plain dumb.

Many times when I was working for the federal government on a base with an absolutely no gun policy I found at some point along the line I had left one in the console of my Bronco as I carried at all times when not at work. I've made a trip back home to dump it and even dropped it off at a friend's house who lived near the gate to the depot I worked at.

Ya do whatever ya gotta do but seriously he is an indiot if he didn't know going back home and returning late without it was a better plan than hoping he didn't get caught. When I was in school having it in the vehicle was no big deal but everyone knows it is today.


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« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 11:59:21 AM »
the boy  just learned the hard way  how messed up  thingsare  now


i hope he doesn't get a felony  charge to live with
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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 01:39:53 PM »



Why did he just not say anything to anyone.  Drive home at the end of school and take the gun out then,


The bigger questions is Why did he leave the gun in the truck in the first place.....

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2013, 02:02:47 PM »
Its a bad deal but like it was said before,What was he thinking? Naivety is not a real good excuse for an eagle scout.
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« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 04:26:53 AM »
Some of you are kind of hard on the kid.  Yes, he should have just gone back home to drop off the gun and returned to school and taken his lumps for being late.  Hind sight is 20/20.  I can assure you I didn't always make the best decisions when I was 18,  did you?   I still make mistakes from time to time. 

He screwed up and he knew it,  but he didn't know how best to fix it so he probably did what he had been told his entire life to do and that is to seek help from an adult, his parent in this case.   But some busy body overheard his conversation and had to go rat on him.  Didn't matter that his having the gun on school grounds was unintentional or that no one was in any danger to the little eavesdropping fink.

So what lesson do you think he will take away from this situation?  Possibly not to trust anyone especially those in authority because they will F you in a heart beat.  Do they hand out Eagle Scout badges for learning that one?

Another thought occurred to me.  It is possible that he could not leave school grounds without being stopped and questioned by a teacher or school security once he had entered the campus.

 
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« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 05:00:22 AM »
Some of you are kind of hard on the kid.  Yes, he should have just gone back home to drop off the gun and returned to school and taken his lumps for being late.  Hind sight is 20/20.  I can assure you I didn't always make the best decisions when I was 18,  did you?   I still make mistakes from time to time. 

He screwed up and he knew it,  but he didn't know how best to fix it so he probably did what he had been told his entire life to do and that is to seek help from an adult, his parent in this case.   But some busy body overheard his conversation and had to go rat on him.  Didn't matter that his having the gun on school grounds was unintentional or that no one was in any danger to the little eavesdropping fink.

So what lesson do you think he will take away from this situation?  Possibly not to trust anyone especially those in authority because they will F you in a heart beat.  Do they hand out Eagle Scout badges for learning that one?

Another thought occurred to me.  It is possible that he could not leave school grounds without being stopped and questioned by a teacher or school security once he had entered the campus.

 
BRETT. My thoughts exactly. I'm sure now he wishes he had been late but didn't think he would be punished for trying to do the right thing and have the gun removed by his mother. Thank a libby today guys, this was not a problem when I was in school. POWDERMAN.  :o :o
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« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2013, 05:18:20 AM »
Powderman, I don't blame a "Libby" for squat.  At least they have the gumption to go after what they want.  I blame the Conservatives who have been submissive, rolled over and "cowed" for the past few decades.  Conservatives have shown  no "resolve"......So thank a gutless Conservative I say.

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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2013, 05:51:08 AM »
Yes, he made a wrong call. Even if his mother had come to retrieve the gun it's likely she would have been seen and then she would be in jail. But it clearly was an honest mistake and who has never made one? He obviously wasn't threatening anyone and had no intention of threatening anyone so to my mind the reaction is not only way over the top but is just cowardly and disgusting.  I took guns to school in my highschool days, as did most of my friends. We wanted to hunt along the way home. Sometimes several of us would go out plinking with our .22s and I'll admit we shot things we probably should not have.  We shot snakes and frogs and glass bottles floating in the creek but we never even thought of shooting each other and no one was worried that we might do so. But in those days our school was not run by a bunch of gutless liberals who at the mention of a "gun" will wet their little pink panties.
 
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« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2013, 06:00:22 AM »
My point exactly.  The Liberals are laughing at us, not wetting their pink panties........that's us.  They have what they want.  I grew up with a shotgun and a .22lr in the gun rack of a P/U at school........heaven  forbid the though...,.,..I didn't harm anyone. 

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« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2013, 06:14:54 AM »
IF THE BOY CAN FORGET THE GUNS  IN THE TRUCK
HE CAN FORGET HE HAS A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER


lesson learned  OR  victim mentality


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forgot my 308 in my tool box......looking at the sniffer dogs and random stops
knowing turning around would draw further suspicion
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they odered me to turn around



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« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2013, 06:22:56 AM »
My friend was 30 miles out of El Paso headed to  Mexico City when he remembered he had a S & W 38 sp under his seat.  He called me on a cell and asked what he should do.  I told him to have his co-worker unload the revolver, wipe it down and throw it out as soon as he could without be noticed.  Then the same with the ammo.  He was about to have a heart attack.

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« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2013, 06:34:35 AM »
IF THE BOY CAN FORGET THE GUNS  IN THE TRUCK
HE CAN FORGET HE HAS A ROUND IN THE CHAMBER


lesson learned  OR  victim mentality


i once pulled up to the navy base
forgot my 308 in my tool box......looking at the sniffer dogs and random stops
knowing turning around would draw further suspicion
i through my badge under the seat
played dumb ..  and told them i lost my badge but was late for work
they odered me to turn around





That was some quick good thinking.

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« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2013, 09:09:03 AM »
Unfortunately justice is blind
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« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2013, 10:14:38 AM »
I would guess in many places one would not want any visible firearms in a vehicle, especially in a rear window rack. All it takes is a smash and grab and gun gone. Most high school kids I am around are good kids but there is always the not so good kids that do not need any further temptations.
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« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2013, 10:38:55 AM »
The boy made a bad choice but he did the honorable thing . Now he knows much of what he has learned in school , church , home and Boy Scouts is not worth the paper it was written on. Shame as he seems to have bought into God Honor and country. But that's what you end up with when common people run things and common sense is tossed  away.
 Guess parents need to teach kids that in life it's not like school , being honest and good won't get you anywhere. The gang member who sneaks in a weapon everyday gets by but the honest kid who try's to fix a mistake the right way is persecuted.
 Yep he did a dumb thing but mostly because he lives in a stupid environment more inclined to brain wash and punish than use common sense.
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« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2013, 10:40:39 AM »
Any of ya'll ever think forcing stupid rules on people and forcing them to turn their backs on truth , church and common sense is the plan to destroy those ideals ?
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« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2013, 11:34:21 AM »
Any of ya'll ever think forcing stupid rules on people and forcing them to turn their backs on truth , church and common sense is the plan to destroy those ideals ?


yes  i have


but maybe this boy  might become the man to fix things


this might just be the motivation he needs
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« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2013, 11:39:02 AM »
Take this kid out and shoot him. An Eagle scout making a mistake. Let's call him a dummy while we are at it. When a kid makes a mistake and tries to come clean and do the right thing he needs to be smacked. We need to teach him it is better to lie and cover up a mistake than to be upright and honorable.
 
Yes the kid is a scout operative word is kid not a grown man with a lot of experience. You name callers have never made a mistake have you. Never fessed up when you did. That's why it's easy to call this kid a dummy. At least he MANNED up and tried to make it right. Now he will get plenty of experience. Let's just hope it doesn't turn him into a liar.
 
Grrrr kids do make mistakes as responsible men we should be teaching not name calling. Is an opportunity for teaching down the drain... 

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« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2013, 02:15:15 PM »
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Yes the kid is a scout operative word is kid not a grown man with a lot of experience. You name callers have never made a mistake have you. Never fessed up when you did. That's why it's easy to call this kid a dummy. At least he MANNED up and tried to make it right. Now he will get plenty of experience. Let's just hope it doesn't turn him into a liar.
 
Grrrr kids do make mistakes as responsible men we should be teaching not name calling. Is an opportunity for teaching down the drain... 
 
     SHU. Well said Sir. He did what he felt was an honest and honorable thing to do. Problem is he was dealing with liberals, who are neither.  POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2013, 03:26:40 PM »
Kids face a lot of things today that "we" didn't in the fifties and sixties.  One of them is the strict no tolernce policy that schools have today, largely due to the fact that so much craziness has happened since those days. If that incident had happened in 1962 it would be a no brainer. Kid goes home after school and possibly busts a few clay birds on the way. ITS DIFFERENT now.
Do I think he should be prosecuted.....Nope!
Do I think he should be expelled.....Nope!
Did they over react......Yep!
Did he have his head in his behind......Definitly!
 
This aint joe average. He is an honor student that is also an Eagle scout. If you dont know what that is, it means he is a cut above most young men and went through a hunter safety class and prolly even has a merit badge in shooting sports and or gun safety. This aint his first BBQ.  HE  was not thinking when he brought the gun to the campus in his truck and he was not understanding the ramifications of being caught with it. WE all have and do make mistakes. No one here wants him crucified, but we arent the law. We just have opinions, and mine is he screwed up!
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« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2013, 04:03:50 PM »
I know what an honor student is and an eagle scout. I also know kids make mistakes. He screwed up no ifs ands or buts. We hold some kids to such high standards they go crazy trying to meet that expectation.  He doesn't need a felony record or expulsion. He has been punished pretty harshly already.

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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2013, 04:21:50 PM »
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He doesn't need a felony record or expulsion.

I agree! I wish you and I were responsible for making that call. It is deplorable that it has gone as far as it has.
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« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2013, 04:42:19 PM »
Well now here's an interesting twist to the story.   Seems the Assistant Principal pulled an even more boneheaded stunt a couple of years ago but got off with nothing more than a 3 day vacation.

   Hypocrites prosecute Cole Withrow but let Asst principal off scot-free!
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Illustrating hypocrisy, a complete absence of judgment, common sense AND knowledge of NC state firearms laws, Johnston County officials have penalized senior high school student and Eagle Scout, Cole Withrow just weeks prior to his graduation with honors.
Was he also caught with illegal drugs or burglary tools? No, these offenses are apparently less-harshly punished. Cole's transgression was honestly reporting that he had mistakenly left his shotgun in his truck after skeet shooting the day before. What has he received for straight-forwardly admitting his harmless error? Expulsion and a felony charge.
Hypocrisy of selective prosecution on display
Cole may be fortunate that GRNC was able last year to change language in state law that requires firearms must be “knowingly” brought to campus to merit a felony charge. His unintentional error clearly does not meet this standard, and he is being charged and penalized more aggressively than either the law or good sense allows.
Ironically, just over two years ago, at the same school, assistant principal Catherine Bennett mistakenly brought a handgun to school, which stayed in a vehicle on campus for two weeks and was actually found and handled by auto shop students who worked on the vehicle. And what penalty did Bennett suffer? Three days suspension and no criminal charges. In fact, the school's resource officer, sheriff's deputy Andy Worley, got two days suspension for trying to hide the crime.
Cole's predicament is clear illustration of why WE MUST resist ANY new gun control proposals and not rest before current restrictions upon lawfully bearing arms are rescinded.
We need to send a message to the DA, Principal and School Board involved letting them know that North Carolina gun owners will not stand idly by and watch one of their own pilloried by anti-gun zealots misapplying the law to entrap and punish the law-abiding.

 
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  • EMAIL PRINCETON HS PRINCIPAL KIRK DENNING & JOHNSTON CO. SCHOOL BOARD: Tell them that their hypocrisy in first expelling Withrow and then, amid national scrutiny, only partially retracting that penalty is particularly vile in view of their light treatment of an assistant principal at the same school whose transgression was considerably worse.
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Johnston County Officials:
The actions of Princeton High administrators, the Johnston County School Board, and the Johnston County District Attorney are stunning for the breadth of their bias, ignorance and hypocrisy.
First, you expelled Eagle Scout David Cole Withrow and had him charged with felony violation of G.S. 14-269.2 despite the fact that a change made by Grass Roots North Carolina to the law, effective December 1, 2011, requires that the violation occur "knowingly," which is clearly not the case with Withrow's accidental transgression.
Then your representative, Tracey Peedin Jones, had the gall to say: “[The] administration reacted promptly and the proper procedures and protocol were followed.”
Really? Were "proper procedures" followed in March of 2011, when it was discovered that Assistant Principal Catherine Bennett brought a handgun to school in her vehicle, which sat on educational property for two weeks, during which time it was actually handled by students? Or rather did School Resource Officer Andy Worley attempt to hide the crime -- a transgression for which he was suspended for two days?
Did you fire Bennett? Was she charged with a felony? We both know the answer to both questions is "no."
Despite the tortured legal rationalization given by Johnston Sheriff Steve Bizzell, the only individual truly guilty of committing a felony is Bennett: Her transgression occurred nine months prior to our change in the law (House Bill 650, which became Session Law 2011-268, effective December 1, 2011), meaning that because "knowingly" had not yet been inserted into the law, she is guilty of -- and can be prosecuted for -- a Class I felony.
So now, under national scrutiny, you relent to allow Withrow to graduate, albeit after being stigmatized by schooling and graduation absent the reward of enjoying, with his peers, an accolade he earned.
Big deal. What you propose is not nearly enough to compensate Cole Withrow for staining his life forever. Here is what decency demands:
 
  • Immediately re-admit David Cole Withrow to Princeton High School and allow him to graduate with full honors in accordance with what he has earned;
  • Immediately drop all criminal charges and apologize to the Withrow family for maliciously mis-interpreting the law;
  • Make a financial settlement to the Withrow family for the legal expenses and pain and suffering you have cost them;
  • Immediately fire Catherine Bennett from her position at Princeton High School, or any other Johnston County School position, and begin proper procedures for charging her with felony violation of N.C.G.S. 14-269.2, since she is still within the statute of limitations (if any) for prosecution.
I do thank you, however, for demonstrating so clearly why the current prohibition on guns on educational property needs to be repealed: If we rely on "prosecutorial discretion," the result is that Eagle Scouts get prosecuted, and their lives ruined, while "insiders" like Bennett go free.
Respectfully,
 
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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2013, 04:46:30 PM »
Imagine that!  ::)
“Owning a handgun doesn’t make you armed any more than owning a guitar makes you a musician.”

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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #25 on: May 03, 2013, 05:52:25 PM »
 
I recall a couple years ago an honors student got expelled for havin a "broken" ax in his vehicle at school. 
 
He wanted to go to one of the military academies or was looking at winning a huge (full ride) scholarship (I don't remember all the details), but he got busted for simply having an ax blade in his vehicle!  And that was after having broken the ax handle doing a volunteer service-work job that weekend.
 
Somebody at his school learned he had the "tool" in his rig, turned him in.
 
Never did hear how the issue played out.
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2013, 12:01:00 AM »
Graybeard nailed it. In this day of zero tolerance policies toward the posession of plastic butterknives in school, he should have known better. Laws around here are that you can't have a gun within something like a quarter mile of a school. No concealed carry either.


When my daughter was in middle school, they had the drug dogs working the place. The dogs picked her locker and they got her out of class and called us. She had made a cat toy for her friend that included catnip. Pretty funny, but they made quite a fuss about it. A-- holes!

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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2013, 03:54:28 AM »
What if he had just left it in his truck out of sight.  The real problem is we are trying to use "common sense".  I agree that not one of us has never made a mistake, just some of us never got caught or faced ludicrous penalties.
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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2013, 09:29:44 AM »
Do I think he should be prosecuted.....Nope!
Do I think he should be expelled.....Nope!
Even if it is unjust it is the law. Change it! There is so much injustice in this country you wouldn't believe and the ruling class is making new ones everyday, as we type in fact.
 
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,278242.120.html
So if the law on the books says he must be expelled we should or should not follow that law?  I'm just trying to get a feeling for when it's ok to ignore a law and when it's not?

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Re: Eagle scout expelled on gun charge. What a crock.
« Reply #29 on: May 04, 2013, 10:50:16 AM »
Do I think he should be prosecuted.....Nope!
Do I think he should be expelled.....Nope!
Even if it is unjust it is the law. Change it! There is so much injustice in this country you wouldn't believe and the ruling class is making new ones everyday, as we type in fact.
 
http://www.gboreloaded.com/forums/index.php/topic,278242.120.html
So if the law on the books says he must be expelled we should or should not follow that law?  I'm just trying to get a feeling for when it's ok to ignore a law and when it's not?

I wish I had that power dukillr. I would rule with the wisdom of Solomon.  ::)  I havent been contacted about that yet! We will see.
 
 IN the first quote I said "Do I think he should expelled and prosecuted" and NO I do not think so. Seems he is,  The officials are disregarding my opinion. The very audacity! But thats part of the injustice I spoke of in the drug war post.
 
 
As to the post about the War on Drugs. I dont agree with drug war, and amazingly no one respects my wishes there either. 
 
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He doesn't need a felony record or expulsion.

I agree! I wish you and I were responsible for making that call. It is deplorable that it has gone as far as it has.

 
I am glad We do have officers of the court such as yourself that only see in  black and white so we do not make any errors and let those law breaking honor student eagle scouts get away with further destruction of our society. Contact them and maybe you can sit first chair and get the lil bugger a life sentence.
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