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NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« on: May 02, 2013, 06:55:23 AM »
NRA loses court fight on law banning under-21 sales    David Sherfinski
April 30, 2013


A federal appeals court on Tuesday narrowly rejected a request from the National Rifle Association to rehear a case challenging the constitutionality of federal laws banning licensed firearms dealers from selling handguns to people younger than 21.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit in New Orleans rejected the request to hear the case before the full court on an 8-7 vote, one day after a three-judge panel upheld the laws as constitutional. All three judges on the panel that ruled Monday voted against rehearing the case.

Congress could have sought to prohibit all persons under 21 from possessing handguns — or all guns, for that matter,” Judge Edward C. Prado wrote in the opinion upholding the law. “But Congress deliberately adopted a calibrated, compromise approach.”

Judge Edith H. Jones, joined by five others, wrote a lengthy dissent in response.

“Surely this is hyperbole?” Judge Jones wrote. “Never in the modern era has the Supreme Court held that a fundamental constitutional right could be abridged for a law-abiding adult class of citizens.”

“Moreover, the implications of the decision — that a whole class of adult citizens, who are not as a class felons or mentally ill, can have its constitutional rights truncated because Congress considers the class ‘irresponsible’ — are far-reaching,” Judge Jones wrote.

The lawsuit, filed by several people from the ages of 18 to 20 at the time and the NRA against U.S. Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives in 2010, argues that the federal laws constitute “a significant, unequal, and impermissible burden on the right to keep and bear arms of a class of millions of law-abiding 18-to-20 year-old adult citizens.”

Later filings argue that the NRA’s licensed gun dealer members are harmed by the ban as well, since it prohibits them from making lawful handgun and ammunition sales to 18- to 20-year-olds.

Judge Prado, though, wrote that people who are at least 18 years old can own “long guns,” or rifles, can possess and use handguns, and can receive them as gifts from parents or guardians. He also cited federal statistics showing comparatively high crime rates among 18- to 20-year-olds, writing that since the ban was passed in 1968, “its objective has retained its reasonableness. The threat posed by 18-to-20-year-olds with easy access to handguns endures.”

The NRA said it has more than 11,000 members who are affected by the ban.

David H. Thompson, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs, said the team is weighing their appellate options going forward and didn’t rule out a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court.

“We were very gratified by Judge Jones‘ excellent opinion and we were only disappointed that it didn’t garner an additional vote,” he said Tuesday.




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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2013, 12:32:47 PM »
I never knew the Constitution only applied to persons 21 or over!
 
If 18-20 year olds are such a danger to society why don't we just lock them up until they turn 21?  Shouldn't be a problem - because according to the court they don't have any Constitutional rights anyway.

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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2013, 01:33:36 PM »
I had 2 girls I would much rather you lock them up from age 13 to about 17. By 18 or 21 they were fun again.
You can go in military buy can't own hand gun, that does not sound right.
 
 

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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2013, 02:14:57 PM »
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You can go in military buy can't own hand gun, that does not sound right.

My thoughts exactly when i was reading thru the article.
 
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Judge Edith H. Jones, joined by five others, wrote a lengthy dissent in response.

“Surely this is hyperbole?” Judge Jones wrote. “Never in the modern era has the Supreme Court held that a fundamental constitutional right could be abridged for a law-abiding adult class of citizens.”

“Moreover, the implications of the decision — that a whole class of adult citizens, who are not as a class felons or mentally ill, can have its constitutional rights truncated because Congress considers the class ‘irresponsible’ — are far-reaching,” Judge Jones wrote.



JUDGE JONES feels the same way
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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 03:25:56 AM »
The next thing will be a law that prohibits anyone under 21 from possessing a firearm.  It's a whittling process.  A little at a time.     

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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2013, 01:57:42 PM »
it is easy for the 18-20 crowd to get their rights. VOTE.  In Canada it was legal for 18-20 year olds to drink and vote. A law was proposed that would raise the drinking age to 21 again. If all those below 21 had voted the law would not have passed.

In this case it is a Constitutional Right being denied. What other Rights can be denied based on age? None I know of. We need to hit this again, with the right precedents. How can an 18 yr.old buy a shotgun or rifle, drink, enlist in the military but not buy a pistol? Completely screwed up to me.
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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2013, 03:03:02 PM »
Fastest way around that is simple, if they are too irresponsible and hotheaded to own a handgun (which is indeed arguable in my experience), they are certainly not capable of drinking, entering into contracts, SERVING in the military, VOTING, and all of those should also be strictly off limits. I would vote for that tomorrow. I think recruiters- for military AND colleges would develop instant apoplexy. So would myriad loan companies, credit cards, banke etc etc.
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Re: NRA loses court fight banning under 21 handgun sales.
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 05:37:15 PM »
twoshooter. I have known we are not alone in the universe since I was 7.
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