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« on: February 21, 2004, 12:06:21 PM »
Late in the summer of 1987 I was doing some scouting and trail clearing for deer season in the Choccolocco Wildlife Management Area (CWMA). On this particular trip I was scouting a side road off of Rd. 529 that I have named the "Three Roads" area because the road forks into three directions about 300 yards uphill from where it departs from Rd. 529. I had killed a three point buck and missed an eight point on this road the previous hunting season. I had to leave my truck where Rd. 529 departs from Rd. 500 because it was blocked to motorized vehicle traffic until hunting season opened. I rode my bike about two miles to where the side road cut off and then walked another mile back into the woods to do my scouting and trail clearing.

I spent most of the morning at my tasks and was soaked with sweat as the temperature had now climbed into the high 90s. On my way back to my bike while walking on a two track road I was startled by a huge rattlesnake which crawled out of the high grass between the two tracks into the clearing of the track on my left. I stopped and picked up a stick and threw it at the snake. It didn't crawl away-instead it came right for me. Now maybe that was a coincidence and maybe it wasn't. I threw another stick and the snake came for me at a fast pace. I ran back the way I had come for 10-15 yards to get away from the now angry snake. I stopped and turned to look at the snake which was no more than 20 feet from me. I felt something stinging me all over my body. I looked down and was covered in yellow jackets-I had stepped in their nest and was still there. I ran backwards again and knocked the yellow jackets away as best I could as I ran. I was now in major pain from what was later counted to be 32 stings.

I walked down into the woods and around the snake and came back into the road on the other side of it. Since I knew I would be hunting this area during bow season in warm weather I didn't relish the idea of running into the big snake again. I first took a big rock and dropped in on the snake partly smashing its head and then cut a forked limb using my brush loppers and pinned the snake to the ground. Using the brush loppers I cut off the snakes head. It was a big as my forearm which isn't small and about 6+ feet long. The head was a full 2" wide. Now all I had to do was walk almost a mile to my bike in high 90s weather with 32 yellow jacket stings-ride 2 miles to my truck and another 25 miles to my house. I made it but was in pretty bad shape from the effect of the stings when I got there. It took me a couple of weeks to fully recover from the experience.

Later that year after archery deer season started I was hunting at the end of Rd. 529 down the big hollow near the tree that would soon become known as the "Nine Pine". I had walked maybe 1/4 mile further down the hollow from where I turn to go to the "Nine Pine" near a large rock formation. I spent the morning there without seeing a deer. The temperature had climbed into the high 80s and I had enough for the day. On my way back down my trail I became aware of a presence besides mine in the trail. Just before I stepped on it I saw another large rattlesnake. This one was coiled behind a rock right in my trail and just waiting for an unsuspecting victim to come along. One step away from putting my foot on it was all I had when I saw it. Using my limb saw I cut another forked limb and used it to pin the snakes head to the ground and cut it off with my saw. This one was over 4' long and about 1-1/2" in diameter-much smaller than the previous rattlesnake encountered not more than a mile away.

I survived both close encounters of the rattlesnake kind that year and have not had another close encounter of that type since. I have however had others in previous times-but that is a subject for another story.

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« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2004, 02:02:39 PM »
Sounds to me like you need to rename that road Rattler Road. Good story. I don't like snakes or yellowjackets either one. :shock:
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« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2004, 03:00:01 PM »
I share your sentiments on both the poison snakes, and the bees!

I'm alergic to yellow jackets, and nearly died once from only 4 stings. Those little devils, I hate worse than anything else outdoors.

I took one in the upper ankle from a nice rattler when I was a teenager, so I don't have any love for snakes either. I also got it 4 more times over the years from copperheads, but only one of them got me with a full dose. Three were minor incidents, which passed easily within a couple days. The one layed me up for a while.

Right or wrong, I kill every poison snake I see, and will walk for miles to burn out a yellow jackets nest after dark!

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« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2004, 04:38:11 PM »
Wow...In the eighties during hunting season?  :eek:  That's a little too warm for me...I prefer 30-50 degrees.  Snow is a bonus.

No, seriously...Rattle Snakes...Don't ever recall seeing one of those creatures except in the zoo or on Crocodile Hunter TV.  I would probably have an accident if I ever did see one here in NY(Not likely).  Yello Jackets are a different story...Luckily during hunting season you are unlikely to see any bees, wasps or the like in the woods...Hunkered down for the winter I believe.
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« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2004, 05:43:35 PM »
WNY:

Watch your step out in the New York woods!  You've got Timber Rattlers all over the place once the weather warms up...just about the time your Turkey season opens!!!    :eek:

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« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2004, 06:08:26 PM »
Great...Been on this planet 32 years and never saw a rattler in the wild...How much you wanna bet that I see one this year?  Oh well...
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2004, 09:40:35 PM »
I grew up in Central Tennessee.  As a kid my folks always told me to watch for snakes, in fact my Mother had me parinoid of them.  Eventhou I had never seen one in the wild.  

When I was 16 my Grandfather wanted me to plow a small field of tobacco one morning.  I finished up just before lunch time, and drove the mule out to the trail down the holler to the barn.  As the old mule went through the high grass between the field and trail she got real skittish, and tried to run off.  I knew that if I let her tear up that plow my Grandfather would skin me.  I really had my hands full trying to keep her from running off with only a plow line (one line to her bit, no reins).  While I was pulling her down I noticed something pulling at my pants leg, but did not pay it much attention, thinking it was a stick.  After I got the mule setteled down, the pulling kept up on my pants leg.  I looked down and realised it was a snake.  A Copperhead had struck at me and got it's fangs stuck in the hem of my overalls.  I came out of them overalls right there, let the snake have them.  I beat the mule to the barn, the heck with that plow.  

My Grandfather was laughing at me for running to the barn without my pants.  He went back up there with me.  We killed the snake with a stick.  I finally got to see a real snake in the wild.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2004, 12:59:15 AM »
Kinda reminds me of the time I was following Carl down the road.  We were both in company pickups and all of a sudden he starts weaving all over the road.  He all of a sudden jerks the wheel to the right, slams on the brakes and jumps out of the truck.  Right then and there he shucks his pants and starts stomping on them.  Seems that a yellowjacket had flown in his open window and gone right up his pants leg.  Old Carl looked like a pair of needle-nosed pliers standing there in the road. :)

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« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2004, 04:28:23 AM »
Whoa, lots of snakes! I don't like the snakes much but I really don't like the yellow jackets. I'm allergic to the sting of just one of them. Don't think I'd survive several stings. Don't know about the snake bites tho. Never been bit by one. Saw some rattlers coiled up on rocks where I used to fish. Wading in the stream fishing for trout and not paying attention to anything else. The darn rattlesnake was a foot or less away from me on a rock wall. I guess it was warming itself in the sun? I left there pronto!  :bye:

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« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2004, 02:29:26 PM »
Theres a flooded gravel pit a couple miles north of where I live in SE Connecticut & in my younger days, my friends & I used to do quite a bit of swimming & fishing there.  We cought some big bass in there & saw some huge snapping turtles but never many snakes.
Well me & a buddy were there fishing one morning, I guess I was all of 16 or so & there was a group of kids swimming & horsing around about 100 feet away on the other side of a little point that stuck out into the water.
One of them was swimming around this point & seeing us fishing he turned around to swim back to his friends but stopped & climbed ashore onto the point. I should add that the shoreline on most of the pond was choked with poison ivy, rasberry & other prickly uninviting vegitation.
Anyhow when he climbed ashore he started screaming about a snake & jumps back into the water & swam back to his buddys.
They all started trying to catch this snake & me & Tim were watching their antics, thinking they were looking at a rat snake or something along those lines.
After 15 minutes or so I'd had it, there werent likely to be any fish around what with them all jumping in & out of the water like they were doing, so I figured I'd just go catch the damn snake for them.
The kids seemed to have the landward end of the point covered so I slipped around the edge in about ankle deep water looking into the underbrush for this snake. At one point I stepped over a  submerged branch about 3" around & poked my head thru the bushes at the kids & asked them where the snake was.  They all pointed at my feet & said "Its right there man!" Still looking for a little 1 or 2 foot snake at the most I turned around & watched my "submerged branch" slither across the surface of the water, hell bent for the other side I'm glad to report.   :grin:
Turns out it was a copperhead.  I learned that day that we do indeed have poison snakes here.  
I'v heard of both copperheads & Timber rattlers both here & in NY where I do some hunting but have never come across one other than that day.
Im not unhappy about not seeing them either & am now very carefull of where I step.
Tim (My buddy from the above story) now lives in Arizona. While visiting him, we were walking in the desert with our shotguns just BSing mostly & we saw a rattler. He then showed me how they were easy to catch with a forked stick.
When we saw a second one he says to me that now its my turn & went to hand me the stick.  Well he bout got that sentence out of his mouth when my 12 guage took the forward end of that snake apart, I told him its real easy my way too & you dont need no stick.  I have no desire to catch snakes anymore.  :wink:
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« Reply #10 on: February 23, 2004, 06:11:44 AM »
I know we have rattlers here in Florida, but I've never encountered one in the field. Gators is another matter entirely.

Once, while I was still living in South Florida (I'm in the NE of the state now.), I was out night fishing for catfish. Next thing I know there's a big ol' gator slithering up to my float. He actually tasted that float, but I guess it warn't tuh his likin.' He spit the thing out, leving tooth prints in the plastic foam. I'm glad I didn't have a cat on the line or I'd have benn fighting a whole 'nothuh kind o' crittuh.

Ah has been bee stung. Once't while Ah were shooting at a small range near Dyberry in PA. There were some hollow, square posts set up for the state police to practice barricade shooting. Someone had shot a hole in the one Ah were usin,' and then someone else had shot a hole in the metal patch placed over the original hole. Ah guess the crittuhs had made them a home in that thing an' my shootin' had discombobulated 'em. One of 'em landed on my thumb an' give me a taste o' stinguh. Th' thumb done swole up somethin' feerce. Boy, thet smarts, y'all.

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« Reply #11 on: February 23, 2004, 02:33:21 PM »
You are lucky to have come through so many yellow-jacket stings without serious threat to your health, your guardian angle must have been working over-time that day!
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2004, 05:56:25 PM »
A few years back I went dove hunting near Lamar, CO with some friends.  Last thing my wife asked me was "Do you have your boots?"  I answered that they were behind the driver's seat of my truck, as always.  Unfortunately, I had taken them out for a trip to Lake Powell and forgotten to put them back, something I didn't learn until I arrived at our host's home in Wylie.  Opening morning the guys asked me where my boots were and I had to sheepishly reply they were at home.  So I hunted in my Nikes.

The first evening we were working a stand of trees and the doves were coming in from the east. The weeds inside the tree line were head high, so we were staying just inside the weeds for cover.  With all the guns, Reverend "John the Baptist" and I decided to check out the western side of the trees and see if there was any action there.

Instead of walking through the weeds we took the easy route through the freshly baled hay field that bordered the southern edge of the trees.  There were very few doves on the western side, but we could still hear a lot of shots coming from the eastern side of the trees and we decided to walk back, retracing our steps through the hay field.

Suddenly I felt a prick by my Achilles tendon.  My first thought was that I had walked into a yucca plant.  A fraction of a second later I realized there were no yucca plants in the freshly mowed and baled hay field, and I realized that I had been snake bitten.  The rattle was a couple steps away, making for the weeds.  I had wanted a rattlesnake skin for a hatband for some time and I decided his skin was the one I was going to have.

Being careful not to tear him up, I aimed high over his head and hoped to get lucky and put a few pellets in his brain, knowing that if I missed I could lower my aim and try again.  Sure enough my shot was too high, but before I could get a second shot off, Reverend "John the Baptist" emptied his semi-auto into the snake's body.  The snake was torn up pretty good, and almost cut in half, but somehow it managed to make it a couple feet into the weeds.  So much for my snakeskin souvenir!  

Reverend "Paul" drove me to the hospital in Lamar.  I rode in the back seat of his truck with my leg elevated, wondering what the symptoms would be - nausea, blurry vision, pain, swelling, or what.  Other than swelling I was doing fine.  At the hospital they drew blood, inspected the bite, and put me on an automatic blood-pressure measuring machine.  I had been lucky - only one fang penetrated the skin.  The other apparently went into the top of my Nikes just behind the Achilles tendon.

Eventually they put me in a bed, whose previous tenant had also been there for snake bite.  The bed was a fancy model that weighed the patient electronically.  When the weight seemed too high, I started shucking live shotgun shells out of the pockets in my cargo pants.  The nurse wasn't at all happy about that and I gave hem to my buddy to take to the vehicles.

They drew blood again a couple times and decided the venom level in my blood was low enough that anti-venin wasn't necessary (it has its own risks).  Around midnight they turned me loose with an admonition to stay off my leg and to keep it elevated.  Dave, my elk hunting buddy, drove me back to Reverend "Paul"s house where I spent the night in my trailer.

Next morning my ankle was swollen up like a football and the skin was tight as a drum.  I could get my Nikes on but had to leave them loose.  Instead of staying home the guys dropped me off next to a gravel pit and I hunted doves right where they dropped me - walking was excruciatingly painful, so the guys played bird dog whenever I got one.

That evening we were back at the trees where I had been bitten.  I was on the east side when I heard Reverend "John the Baptist" making a commotion.  Turns out he had shot a dove and it landed just inside the weeds.  No one was retrieving doves that landed inside the weeds, but Reverend John poked around with the barrel of his shotgun.  He found his dove - it had landed on top of a very shot-up and dead snake, the same one that had bitten me!  He brought it to me, carrying it draped over the barrel of his shotgun.  We took it back to Paul's house and took pics, but it was was to shot up to make a decent hatband.  

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« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2004, 01:59:33 AM »
I agree that a 12 ga deals with rattlesnakes very nicely. Another thing, they can move pretty quick when they want to. You don't want one after you.
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« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2004, 07:27:59 AM »
Kinda of new at this "forum", I have question is it true that appluing bacon fat along the edges of boots or pant legs will keep snakes away most of the time? (feral pigs being eaters of snakes)?
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« Reply #15 on: February 24, 2004, 07:31:08 AM »
Quote from: Carcajou Garou
Kinda of new at this "forum", I have question is it true that appluing bacon fat along the edges of boots or pant legs will keep snakes away most of the time? (feral pigs being eaters of snakes)?
just a thought


 :D I tried that but the dog ate my boots !
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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2004, 06:25:26 PM »
Guys:

My son is a Herpetologist.  He's been managing a herd of Timber Rattlers in the field and in his lab for almost five years now.  He tells me that most bites are "dry" bites as snakes don't see us as a food group.  Yea...right?  That must be why the pros don't handle them like the Croc Hunter huh?

I don't know why my son decided to study snakes....I think he gets it from his mother's side.  I must admit, I too have conducted a fair amount of research on snakes in the wild.  I thought about publishing my findings...The Behavior and Subsequent Qualtiy of Life, of Pit Vipers, subjected to Injections of High-Velocity Lead Poisoning.  I've statistcally concluded this disease is 99.999% fatal...but I'm working on the other 0.001%.   :)

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2004, 11:46:14 PM »
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Guys:

My son is a Herpetologist.  He's been managing a herd of Timber Rattlers in the field and in his lab for almost five years now.  He tells me that most bites are "dry" bites as snakes don't see us as a food group.  Yea...right?  That must be why the pros don't handle them like the Croc Hunter huh?

I don't know why my son decided to study snakes....I think he gets it from his mother's side.  I must admit, I too have conducted a fair amount of research on snakes in the wild.  I thought about publishing my findings...The Behavior and Subsequent Qualtiy of Life, of Pit Vipers, subjected to Injections of High-Velocity Lead Poisoning.  I've statistcally concluded this disease is 99.999% fatal...but I'm working on the other 0.001%.   :)

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2004, 04:20:14 AM »
Thats one of the nice things about living in northern Wisconsin-no poisonous snakes at all.  All we really have are little green grass snakes and an occasional harmless fox snake.

Of course when its 20 below zero being warmer and having some rattlers around doesn't sound so bad.

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2004, 05:26:13 AM »
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Thats one of the nice things about living in northern Wisconsin-no poisonous snakes at all.  All we really have are little green grass snakes and an occasional harmless fox snake.

Of course when its 20 below zero being warmer and having some rattlers around doesn't sound so bad.


What about they very poisonous "ice snakes". They stay beneath the snow until they get you. Then it's too late. By the time someone finds the body they  think the guy just froze to death. These snakes hibernate during the summer. That's why you hardly ever see them. But they're around. Usually they're found around dairy farms and cheese factories.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2004, 12:43:16 AM »
While shooting one hot July afternoon, a buddy and I decided to let the guns cool off for a bit, so we unloaded everything and sat them in the sparse shade to cool down.  No sooner had we sat down than I saw the biggest snake of my life, slithering across the road about twenty feet away.  Being a diehard poisonous snake killer, I grabbed my 357S&W, but by the time I got three rounds loaded, the serpent (too damn big to call a snake!) had left the road, and gone into waist high weeds.  My buddy calmly suggested I follow the snake in, but I politely um, declned.
   About an hour later we were shooting across a narrow river, when I saw something headed upstream.  Sure enough, it was a snake, and a big one.  My buddy was holding my single-shot 357 Max, and I had a 22 semiauto rifle.  We both drew down down the snake, then he looked at me, and said, "Go ahead."  
"Nah" I said, "You've got one shot, I've got ten.  Light him up!"  So he peered thru the scope as I looked thru mine, watching the snake wriggle his way upriver.  There was a loud BOOM! and thru my scope, I saw the front two feet of the snake make a lazy somersault in the air, Rick had blown the poor bugger in half, and the front section landed on the bank a few feet from the edge, on the other side of the river.
It was the biggest water moccasin I've ever seen, probably a shade over six feet, and thick as a drainpipe.  By the end of the day, we had shot five more, they were everywhere.
I went back to that spot to shoot many more times, but never once set foot in the weeds!
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