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1st trip to the range
« on: May 03, 2013, 09:51:43 AM »
Finally!  I had time to go to the range last Sunday.    This was my first outing with my "used" but apparently, like new NEF three barrel set.   I came away with good news and a reason to go back.

I didn't have any proper targets so I just took some sheets of computer paper and stuck a Birchwood Casey stick-on bullseye targets (in dayglo orange) in the center of the paper.  My first 10 shots were about 3 and one-half inches high; and about 2 inches to the right.   After guessing how many clicks left and down (remember, no  grid on the computer paper)   I was ready to  try again.

Unfortunately, We were plagued that day with extremely high winds, that were gusting to 20-25 mph.   To make matters worse they were just about at a 45 degree angle  for the first half of the session and then behind me for the remainder.

I neglected to say this was using a 6.5 - 20X Simmonds scope on a .223.   The second string of 10 had three "flyers" that I called as I shot.   The wind was slamming me throughout the session.   If I ignore the three "flyers" I shot a 2 an 1/2 inch group with 7 shots being in the orange sticker and 1 shot cutting the 1/2 inch black square in the center.   I know, I know, it is asking too much to ignore three "flyers."   But, if you have never shot in Kansas on a windy day, just cut me some slack, ok?  For what it is worth,  I believe that all 10 are "minute of prairie dog."

So, all-in-all, I was well satisfied with the .223 barrel.    You will be amused to know that I fired the first five of the last ten shots with the scope set on 6.5 and the parallex adjustment set all the way down.   I shoot several scopes that have variable magnification and parallex adjustments.    I have no idea why I forgot to set these.    the last five were on the proper settings.

Now for the bad news:   This was on a 100 yd range by the way.   I put on my .357 mag. barrel and set up a new target.   I fired five shots with open sights.   I was actually quite confident that I was doing ok.   I thought the sight picture looked good and a just had a good feeling about all five shots.    When I examined the target, I was stunned to find not a single hole anywhere on the paper.    The paper was pinned to a large (probably 2ft X 2ft) piece of foam rubber.   Of course, it had so many holes in it, I had no idea where my shots went.   High? Low? Left? Right?  Anyone's guess.

So, I put on the .30-30 barrel, fired five, felt good, walked down and looked and not a hole in the paper.

Moral of the story:   If you don't have "knowledge of results" you cannot make a valid correction.    Next time, I will use a larger target at shorter range and find out where these bullets are heading off to.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2013, 10:02:54 AM »
Glad you finally got to shoot!  Sorry to hear your bad news, but I am sure you will get it sorted out soon.  Plenty of people here to help you when you need it!
 
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2013, 12:12:24 PM »
I have some targets that can be printed on a laser printer.  PM me and I can eMail them to you.  I bought a large pack of those round file color coding stickers for 5 bux at a office store and I put one in the middle if I need a little color...

Your plans to move in and adjust the sights is right on.  Also check the rear sight screws.  When I went to remove the rear sight on my .45-70, it's screws were barely finger tight.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2013, 12:15:45 PM »
If ya have a printer, there are a gazillion targets available online, here are just a couple sources.

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http://www.mytargets.com/

http://www.targetz.com/targets01.htm

http://www.varmintal.com/atarg.htm
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2013, 12:23:51 PM »
At my first range trip with my twin grandsons, the boys found a ground squirrel target that had been left behind and they really liked it.  So when we got home, we downloaded all the squirrel pix we could find and added our own rings and cross hairs in MS paint...  It was easy and a fun thing to do at the end of a great day.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 05:20:14 AM »
BW, you're right about there being plenty of people on here to help me when I need it.   And I appreciate it a tremendous amount.

Tony, I only got a crappy ink jet printer so I'm afraid I'm out of luck on the target images that you have, but thanks a million.   I took your advice and checked the screws but they seemed ok.    Nether barrel had screws that were all the way in or all the way out.    Also I like the idea of using MS Paint to modify a target.    Great idea, it never crossed my mind.

Tim, Thanks for the list of links, I will be checking those out soon.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 07:40:17 AM »
I've got an el cheapo 39.95 BSA bore sighter kit.  Not laser, nothing fancy.  I dial it in, shoot one shot at about 15 or 20 yards, adjust and go out from there.  I never have a surprise target with no holes.  Most of my rifles are zeroed at 200 to 300 yards and I waste very little ammo getting there.  Were I buying factory ammo, that kit would have paid for itself a hundred times.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 09:17:34 AM »
Set up a target at home anywhere from 25-50yd. and do the basic 'bore sight' to see where you are at. The H&R's are SOOO easy to do this way and you will only need to make some fine tweaks on the range when shooting.
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 11:32:37 AM »
I have bore sighted scopes in my house before.  I think Gcrank's suggestion at 25 yds is a pretty good one for iron sights also.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 04:12:29 PM »
I have a Tasco Boresighter for scopes, but I wasn't sure about what to do with the iron sights.    It never occurred to me to open the barrel and actually look down the bore at a target and to then check the sights.    Color  me dumb.   I will do this first good weather we get.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 04:21:52 PM »
if all else fails put a couple in the brim you will get an idea where they are at
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 04:24:03 PM »
It ain't dumb, just a mite forgetful.....sometimes those 'easy' solutions slink right on by without makin' a sound  ;) .
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 04:25:03 PM »
I have a Tasco Boresighter for scopes, but I wasn't sure about what to do with the iron sights.    It never occurred to me to open the barrel and actually look down the bore at a target and to then check the sights.    Color  me dumb.   I will do this first good weather we get.

Don't feel bad.  Not long ago I was reading a review of a bolt gun and the author said he bore sighted the old way and I had no idea what he was talking about.  Later in the article he mentioned looking down the the bore.  Nope, never thought of that.  Even worse, on Friday I made it to the range and was playing with a peep sight on my 22 Hornet and I forgot to bore sight it looking down the bore!

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2013, 09:34:00 PM »
I'm not sure if these things are worth it yet since I haven't been to the range with these rifles.  I bought a few of those laser pointers the size and shape of a cartridge.  I go one in .223, .30-30 and .308 based rounds.  Now that I've used them to adjust the scopes on a few of my rifles, I need to take them to the range and see how close they got it...

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #14 on: May 04, 2013, 10:10:24 PM »
I always set up a day glow 1" dot at 25 yds then sight down my bore and adjust my scope with the 1" dot centered in the bore  Saves on ammo and scope adjusting time.

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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 04:33:02 PM »
Well, I feel a little bit better now thanks to you guys.   The comments by GCRANK1 and YRUPUNTING eased my pain considerably. 

Geezerbiker, if you attempt to use one of your laser sighters with iron sights, I would sure like to hear back from you as to how well that went.

FPH, I had determined that I would use 25 yards as the distance to try the bore sighting technique, but have been wondering what size target would work best.   So, I'm really  glad that you mentioned the 1 inch dayglo, as I have some of those already.   I see the advantage in it being small enough to give a picture with some space around it for "centering."

Thanks guys,
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2013, 04:55:05 PM »
I run my load through JBM Ballistics and typically you will see a 0 rise point at close range and then a 0 rise point at long range.  I adjust my zero to where I want it and fine the close zero crossing.  Once I have that, I put my target at that range and shoot the irons.  Typically you will be right on at the longer zero point also.  ;)  Here's a ballistic drop card as an example:

This is my .45-70 gov load that I use and it shows me that 25 yards is the approximate zero crossing point for setting my iron sights.  With this load I'm point blank range out to 200 yards.  or no hold over, just aim center mass on a deer and it's done.  At 300 yards if I extend it, I only elevate to the top of the shoulder.  ;)
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Re: 1st trip to the range
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 05:01:34 PM »
I had occasion to swap some of my stuff around today and put the ol' bore sighting to use. My range is 50yd. off my back deck, a bench bag on the rail to hold the opened rifle and a 9" white gong makes for good visuals. The usual tweaks of putting the crosshairs where I want it to hit and seeing where the barrel is looking got me close for when I fired it; ie, 1" left and 2" elev. required. That is pretty normal for me to need some extra elev. for real, and I knew I also wanted to be a couple inches higher for a longer reach, but dial for -0- at 50 is a good start.
BTW, Ive found that I need to 'set myself back' some when looking through the barrel to get the best 'aperture effect' from it.
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