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Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« on: May 04, 2013, 04:47:14 AM »
Drug find means hikers may be charged for California search  Published May 03, 2013
Associated Press   SANTA ANA, Calif. –  Two teen hikers lost for days in a California forest might have to pay for part or all of the $160,000 search after a small amount of drugs was found in their car, authorities said.
Officials initially said Nicolas Cendoya, 19, and Kyndall Jack, 18, wouldn't be responsible. But Cendoya was charged this week with drug possession because methamphetamine was allegedly found in the car the pair parked before going on a hike last month in Cleveland National Forest.
 
"The recent drug charge on Cendoya may change things," said Gail Krause, a spokeswoman with the Orange County Sheriff's Department.
Cendoya was found three days after he and Jack disappeared. She was found four days later. Both were dehydrated and delirious, and remembered little of their ordeal, including how they were separated. They also said they had hallucinations, with Jack saying she thought she was being attacked by animals.
 
"They didn't go out there to hike, they went out there to get high. And they got disoriented," Orange County board supervisor Todd Spitzer told the Los Angeles Times.
Spitzer said all options are being considered, including civil and criminal action. He hopes to have a recommendation to the board in the coming weeks.
Supervisor John Moorlach questioned why taxpayers should be penalized for what he characterized as reckless actions by the hikers.
"We certainly want to save them but, by golly, you were saved and you owe your society a debt of gratitude," he said, "and you need to pay the bill."
If convicted, Cendoya would face a sentencing range from probation to three years in jail.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/03/drug-find-means-hikers-may-be-charged-for-california-search/#ixzz2SKqqRvQt
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Re: Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2013, 04:51:09 AM »
I get tired of the folks who take no water or survival goods, twists an ankle and we end up paying for 2 dozen rescue workers and a helo.  Charge them too!

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Re: Lost hikers scavenged others lost backpacks.
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2013, 04:51:40 AM »
    Lost Hikers Survived in Calif. Mountains by Scavenging Other Missing Hiker's Gear  Published May 10, 2006
Associated Press   LOS ANGELES –  Two lost hikers who survived three nights in rugged terrain were rescued after they scavenged supplies from the campsite of another hiker who vanished last year and is presumed dead.
The pair found a backpack containing clothing and matches in the deserted campsite of John Donovan, almost a year to the day after he disappeared in the San Jacinto Mountains.
Donovan's abandoned gear "gave us the means to get out," hiker Gina Allen said Wednesday in a telephone interview.
 
Allen, 24, and Brandon Day, 28, of Dallas, were in Southern California for a financial convention. They got lost Saturday west of Palm Springs after wandering off a trail during what was supposed to be a day hike.
At first, they were not too worried because they could hear voices.
"I still felt we were relatively close," Day said, recalling that he thought the trail would "be around this next boulder."
Prepared only for a brief hike, they wore light jackets and tennis shoes and had no food, spare clothing or cell phones.
With night closing in, they took shelter in a small cave between boulders and spent the night sleepless, freezing and hungry.
 
In the morning, they struggled to follow a stream downhill through boulder-strewn terrain. That night, they were frequently awakened by their own shivering.
But they kept going, with "the mantra from night one: 'We're going to get out of here. We're not going to die. It's not our time,"' Day said.
The third day was the worst for Allen, who was getting weaker.
"The very worst thoughts went through our mind, that we might be stuck here. I prayed a lot," she said.
On Monday, they discovered a campsite in a dead-end gorge. There was a foam sleeping mat, a poncho thrown into some branches for shade, a backpack, disposable razor, spoon and tennis shoes.
 
Day and Allen were elated, thinking someone there could help them find the way out. But something was wrong. The gear was wet. A radio and flashlight were corroded. They realized the place was deserted.
"I could just feel myself struck down," Allen said.
They found identification showing the camper was Donovan, 60, a retired social worker from Virginia. They learned later that he was an experienced hiker who had been following the 2,650-mile Pacific Crest Trail, from Southern California to the Canadian border, when he vanished May 2, 2005 in icy weather.
His journal, in the form of notes written on sketch paper and on the back of maps, depicted a man without hope of rescue, Day said.
 
"His last journal entry was one year ago to the day that we found it, which was very eerie," Day said. "Nobody knew where he was, nobody knew to come looking for him, so he was preparing for the end. We were looking at the words of a man who was passing."
They found salvation in his backpack: a warm sweater for Allen, dry socks for Day and matches. They lit a small signal fire and spotted a helicopter in the distance, but the crew did not see them.
On Tuesday morning, they came to a large culvert choked with dried-out vines and other foliage. Day struck another match.
"The whole acre or two caught fire, created a really big smoke signal" that finally alerted a helicopter crew, he said.
 
They were examined at a hospital and had only blisters and bruises.
"We feel great. We're thankful. We feel like we've been given a second chance," Day said by telephone from his Palm Desert hotel room.
Authorities planned to search the area over the weekend for signs of Donovan.
Day wants Donovan's relatives to know that his demise helped save them. "With tragedy comes rebirth," he said. "We have a real special thanks for that person."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/story/2006/05/10/lost-hikers-survived-in-calif-mountains-by-scavenging-other-missing-hiker-gear/#ixzz2SKrxzP5T
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Re: Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2013, 05:06:58 AM »
There must be something in the water in Kalifornia. You have 2 kids, ages 18 and 19 who are drug addicts and they are going to charge them $160,000 for the rescue. Just when do these "officials" in Kalifornia expect these clowns to ever have a job? For both the drug addicts and the "officials", Ron White is right- You can't fix stupid.

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Re: Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 06:03:57 AM »
Drugs or not I think this is complete crap. Taxes are paid to the government to support safety services. Now the government can foot the bill.
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Re: Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 06:08:36 AM »
The government?......You mean us.

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« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 09:13:16 AM »
lakota, I totally disagree.  Everyday I see Stupid people come up here, and do stupid things like getting lost.  Wanting to go out and pet the pretty Grizzly, or the Baby Moose, or try and wade across a raging mountain river.  They get into trouble and get lost, mauled by a Grizzly, stomped by a Mama Moose.  All ending up in having to be rescued by trained rescue personnel, and helicopters.  This runs into the millions, and we have to pay it.  It's just too much, Alaska has started charging for some of the stupid rescues we have to make, and well we should.

We also require people that want to climb Mt McKinnley post a bond in the event they have to be rescued off the mountain, or their body retrieved from the mountain.
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« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2013, 09:23:56 AM »

Colorado has a 25 cent (where did the c with a line go?) fee on any hunting or fishing license.  That covers you if you need rescue.  The fund seems to be built up to where it covers what is needed.  I have sympathy for the volumteers who use their own equiment and sometimes end up looking for fools.  Same for the little fire departments I have seen assisting in crashes in the sticks.  I remember a long time ago someone who had to be rescued, and said it was "fun", probably will do it again.  Charge him extra.  $160,000 seems like a very high sum, though.



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Re: Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2013, 09:53:06 AM »
Things have changed. Today a drug addict on welfare has lots of money. Its the rest of us who are too broke because we're paying for them. Trust me, they have tthe money and can easily pay it.   ;) :) :) ;) ;)

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« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2013, 10:11:27 AM »
There is no excuse today with cell phones and all they do.....what ever happened to a compass( what direction does the sun set it there Gomer?), carring a friend out, making crutches, and your pride.  I'd have to be awful desperate to call for help.

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Re: Lost hikers may have to pay $160,000 recsue bill.
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2013, 01:30:27 PM »
I stand by what I said. I see this as something that will escalate. Someday soon you will be driving down the street, maybe going a few miles over the speed limit. You are going to get pulled over and a speeding ticket will be given to you. You will be fined for speeding and then you are going to be issued a large bill to pay for the police response. Your house may catch fire and you will be billed for the fire department response. It seems like a cop out to me. If we want to go to a "pay to play" system like that well then it is fine with me but the change also needs to come with a very drastic reduction in the amount of taxes we are forced to pay
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« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2013, 01:51:32 PM »
I stand by what I said. I see this as something that will escalate. Someday soon you will be driving down the street, maybe going a few miles over the speed limit. You are going to get pulled over and a speeding ticket will be given to you. You will be fined for speeding and then you are going to be issued a large bill to pay for the police response. Your house may catch fire and you will be billed for the fire department response. It seems like a cop out to me. If we want to go to a "pay to play" system like that well then it is fine with me but the change also needs to come with a very drastic reduction in the amount of taxes we are forced to pay

We already pay the Police and the Firemen for their services.  Accidents are one thing, stupidity is another.  Let the ones rescued pay for overtime and additional cost like a bird.

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« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2013, 01:59:03 PM »
Drugs or not I think this is complete crap. Taxes are paid to the government to support safety services. Now the government can foot the bill.
Well with Fire season here and the resources streched here in Southern Ca and MY tax dollars funding it.
I say we give them a choice.  They can either pay for the rescue that was not needed.  Now if this were a real rescue there would not be a charge here in CA. 
Or they take the full charge for having the drugs and go sit in prison for the Max sentance.   

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« Reply #13 on: May 04, 2013, 03:22:32 PM »
New Hampshire deals with this crap all the time because of our close proximity to Massachusetts. The Flatlanders come up to the White Mountain National Forest to hike. Many of them are idiot teenagers who hike unprepared then call needing a rescue when they get lost after the sun goes down. New Hampshire Fish and Game is required to go on these rescues. Fish and Game is entirely funded by license fees so hunters, fishermen and snowmobilers have to pay for the cost of rescuing these unprepared idiots.
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« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 04:28:28 AM »
who  made the call to intiate the search ??


who authorized that amount of spending ?




will these people ever  have the resources to pay $160K
or is this job security  for some lawyers ?


and how mush will these charges  add to the  overall cost of this rescure


will you be the next person  sued
because you went to your moms house for a week
and your room mate thinks you you just went fishing
 and  thought you were coming home that night ???
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