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Build Concept
« on: May 04, 2013, 05:10:42 PM »

Something I thought about at work today...
No true plans as I change my mind almost daily  :lol:  :lol: but another discussion to have!


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Donor: H&R Handi Rifle
Caliber: 30-06 Springfield
Barrel Length: 18" (Cut, Re-crowned and threaded for a muzzle brake)
Stock: Choate Synthetic Varmint
Sights: 1.5-4x or 2-7x Shotgun Scope (Or Similar)
Budget: $600 Non Negotiable  ;)

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Intended use would essentially be a short range "truck gun" for after work ground hogs and deer. Ultimately replacing my shotgun and allowing it to remain home for HD. Scope choice is made with extended eye relief in mind and that a mid-priced "shotgun scope" should be able to handle the recoil.

Would the shorter barrel on the rifle make the 30-06 kick (recoil) more then it already does?
(I don't want to have to put off the build and fork out $$$ for a freaking Trijicon to handle the recoil lol)
Would the shorter barrel lower my FPS output so much as to limit my bullet choices?
(Would like to at least shoot 150grn effectively for deer and 125grn for Whistle Pigs.)
What other calibers should be considered?
(Avoiding calibers in high demand like .223 and .308)

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2013, 05:36:07 PM »
Sounds horrible to me.  Get a 30-30.  It'll do everything you described, you'll have a lot of money left over and you'll still be able to hear the TV.  If you look around you'll probably find one that will work in a pawn shop.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2013, 05:39:19 PM »
I concur with YRU...

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2013, 05:42:11 PM »
I think everything would work except the varmint syn stock. First they are pretty heavy. Second, IMO, a thumbhole stock wouldnt be very convenient for a "truck gun". Yes you would lose a few fps but nothing crazy and you would probably gain a lil recoil. If I were building it I would probably go with a shorty 30-30 with standard syn stock and simmons pro diamond 4x. That would make a mighty fine truck gun.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2013, 05:43:12 PM »
Sounds horrible to me.  Get a 30-30.  It'll do everything you described, you'll have a lot of money left over and you'll still be able to hear the TV.  If you look around you'll probably find one that will work in a pawn shop.

You beat me to it. Great minds think alike :)

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2013, 06:03:21 PM »
Well then... 30-06 is now a NO! haha


What about 30-30 build vs .243 build??


I really like that rifle of yours, Hoyt!
That is exactly what I am talking about but I like the feel of the Choate Stock... lol


This is the one I am talking about. Not some of the other ones that are specific for shotgun gauges.[size=78%]:[/size]





Bucco, thanks for the scope recommendation! I will keep that in mind for future needs :D

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2013, 06:57:47 PM »
I have a couple of the laminated thumbhole stocks like Hoyt posted (the one pictured is painted) but I don't have the varmint stock you posted.  The varmint stock you posted is a bench stock, I've yet to see anyone say they like to carry it.  As for the laminated thumbhole, I hunted with it last season and killed two deer with it.  I've switched them to my bench rifles like my 22-250.  I like the feel sitting on the couch but the reality of hunting not so much.

As for 30-30 or 243 or another caliber the big question is do you reload?  If you reload your options are much wider.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2013, 03:10:47 AM »
Your concept gun sounds fine to me. Personally, I would go with a .308 Winchester and use mid-range handloads.  You would end up with a shortened Survivor rifle more or less.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2013, 03:28:16 AM »
 As for caliber choice, your high demand rejects, will be what is most produced and what is easiest to pick up off the ground when push comes to shove.  Of course the Zombies never drop their ammo.  As for other choices look to the guys that have been doing short barrel, rifle calibers, for years.  TC, not a big fan I love my Handi’s, but there is good info to be gleaned.  If they not offer it in short barrels there is probably a reason.  But we insist on reinventing the wheel.  As for the stock I have 2 ultra varmints and I love them in Varmint calibers for shooting prone or off the bench long distance it’s the ticket.  Find one of the new synthetics, I like the one H&R is putting on the ultras.  A muzzle break that really reduces recoil, not just helps to control muzzle flip should only be used with hearing protection.  Not too many of us who have truck guns behind the seat grab our ear muffs first. Limbsavers recoil pads, and stock weight go along way.  You spoke of different weight bullets.  Find one that will be good all around.  Going to the ammo pouch for Pigs then looking for something else for deer? Why?  The idea of a truck gun is convenience, and always at the ready.  My thoughts on scopes the biggest reticle, at the lowest power.  Good balance between light gathering and quick target accusation, especially in low light conditions.  Give it all a long lasting protective coating and you can put it behind the seat and forget about it till you need it.  Just my two cents worth.
 
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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2013, 04:36:00 AM »
For "short range" (which I take as less than 100 yards), even a 357 mag would be fine, a Talo would be perfect. Of the above discussed, I would have to go with the 30/30 also, and the Simmons Pro-Diamond shotgun scope also, an excellent cheap scope. If you run across a 35 Remington it also would work great, and you can use 357 HP bullets for varmint ammo if you reload. Personally I will be making a 357 Herrett carbine when I find a 357 barrel reasonable.
   These days you need to pick something that has plentiful cheap ammo/ brass, and a wide range of bullets available. If you started with a 357 dia bore you could also in a pinch use 9mm/ 356 dia, or 358 dia rifle bullets.
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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2013, 04:58:26 AM »
i like thumb hole stocks....but not on a handi


you have to  move your thumg TOOOO FAARRR  to cock the gun then grip to shoot
and  you also compromize your grip  when your thumb moves
thumb  holes are OK on the bench  ..but not on a truck gun


either plastic or wood with a high comb  would be my choice...[i have 2 thumb holed stocks]


30-06...NOT....UNLESS YOU JUST HAPPEN TO LIKE THAT CALIBER
308  will  might be tetter in a shorty


 i would go with 30-30  357 max...45-70


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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2013, 08:16:26 AM »

Something I thought about at work today...
No true plans as I change my mind almost daily  :lol:  :lol: but another discussion to have!


Super Handi Rifle:

Donor: H&R Handi Rifle
Caliber: 357Mag on an SB2 reamed to 358Winchester (ample power/distance for anything, easily made from 308Win)[/font]
Barrel Length: 18" (Cut, Re-crowned) Forget the brake[/font]
Stock: Choate Synthetic Varmint I like it! get a bipod to leave in the truck as well, for shooting off the hood!
Sights: 1.5-4x or 2-7x Shotgun Scope (Or Similar) Get medium high EXTENSION rings. Seats scope over chamber, but Ocular is not over hammer.   No need for a Snaggin' Spur Extension
Budget: $600 Non Negotiable  ;) I think you could do it for under $500

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Intended use would essentially be a short range "truck gun" for after work ground hogs and deer. Ultimately replacing my shotgun and allowing it to remain home for HD. Scope choice is made with extended eye relief in mind and that a mid-priced "shotgun scope" should be able to handle the recoil. A Pistol bullet would work well for Pdogs, and there are many fine bullets and cast for deer that'll reach out to 250-300yds.[/font]  And you can load many in between for a variety of options!


Would the shorter barrel on the rifle make the 30-06 kick (recoil) more then it already does?
(I don't want to have to put off the build and fork out $$$ for a freaking Trijicon to handle the recoil lol)
Would the shorter barrel lower my FPS output so much as to limit my bullet choices?
(Would like to at least shoot 150grn effectively for deer and 125grn for Whistle Pigs.)
What other calibers should be considered?
(Avoiding calibers in high demand like .223 and .308)

Brass for 358Win is as easy as dropping in a 308Win, and pulling the trigger...  then one run through the sizer, and Bob's yer Uncle!

Come to think of it, I may have to look into this myself!

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2013, 01:47:31 PM »
Okay, I appreciate all the info and input! I do not reload so the .358 (or other "wildcat" style cartridge) is not going to work unfortunately. The .308 won't work either, because lets face it... that stuff is going to be scarce for quite a while and I am not paying a premium for it when it isn't for a 1000yd rifle at comps  ;D  30-06 is off the table and 30-30 is looking a bit better. The bull barrel (no flutes) .243 is looking like a good option too.


I have thought more towards a muzzle brake that reduces muzzle climb over the recoil, now that smaller cartridges are being discussed. As for bullet weights, I hunt Whistle Pigs (Ground Hogs) in the summer for 4 months (Give or Take) and deer 3 weeks out of the year. Getting to a zero with the different bullet weight for deer isn't going to be a big deal. The .243 I would probably use 90grn or 100grn for both and leave it at that. "Short Range" is like 150yds Maximum. I personally can't make a 300yd shot with a 4x zoom, 18" barrel and off the hood of my Blazer lol




For "short range" (which I take as less than 100 yards), even a 357 mag would be fine, a Talo would be perfect.
.357 is pretty scarce too, for some strange reason, but it's a good choice too. What is a Talo? (Please forgive me for my incompetence lol)






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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2013, 02:11:02 PM »

Now you're being reasonable!  I have a bull 243 and unless you're a big dude you'll find carrying it around sucks, it's also very nose heavy.  For me if the barrel is longer than 22" it's a bench only gun.  Here's what you need, it's called a Superlight and this price is not bad even with shipping and fees.  The factory scope is OK, it would be fine for a truck gun with a 200 yard range.  You would probably need to sell or trade the youth stocks and get an adult set you like.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #14 on: May 05, 2013, 03:57:35 PM »
lol I like the .243 but couldn't find any brakes I liked for the 6mm bullet... then it came too me... I can still use a .308 brake with performance difference negligible. Which brought it to the table of calibers. The Superlight is a nice little rifle but for a little more I can get the barrel to be a Bull profile and more rigid. Would still probably get the barrel cut to 18" and threaded.



With the "heavier" target/bench stock, it should hypothetically balance quite nicely.
All cards are still on the table though!

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2013, 05:15:59 PM »
We still have 30-30 ammo on the shelf at Wally's while a lot of the others are long gone, and the price is still good too. Believe me, though, handloading pays for itself WAY quick and after that you WILL shoot more for every dollar spent on components. For example, Im reloading 45ACP right now for cheaper per shot that 22LR costs, if you can find it.
The 30-30 in a single shot, reloaded, can go from round ball plinkers and 32-20 equiv. on up to spitzers on steroids. Well, so can any .30cal., but you get a lot of bang for the buck with the old 30-30. There are good reasons it is still high on the list for desirability and reloading dies since around 1895.
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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2013, 05:24:54 PM »
I am trying to get a quote for the barrel job from a guy I work with. I have it for the 5/8-24 (30cal bore) threading for the 30-30. I really like that idea the most and seems like it will work out well. I fully intend on getting into reloading but right now I will stick with getting factory ammo and saving the brass for later. (Only 21, I got long while to get the stuff together)


I did some forum surfing and not too many 30-30 handi rifles but holy heck... the amount of .357 Maxi handi's is unreal lol :p

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2013, 06:16:04 PM »
There are a pile of .30/30's around here... they are in high demand and go quick in the classfied pages... Given your criteria, I think the .30/30 will work best for you... given that you are determined to use the .30 cal brake you have... a brake should be sized "caliber + .02" to work properly... a .30 caliber brake on a .243 would have little effect... other than protect the crown and of course look "kool." Here is a .243 done in a similar fashion;

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2013, 02:47:29 AM »
This is what I consider to be my perfect truck gun.  16.5 inch .357 Maximum with 4 calibers to choose from.  .38s, .357s, 360s, and Maxis.  Good to go for  red squirrel, woodchuck, coon, hog, deer etc. from 5 to 200 plus yards.

I too don't like a thumbhole on a Handi.....to me, it just doesn't work with a hammer gun.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2013, 05:16:47 AM »
My initial reaction is "GO FOR IT!"  ;)  as I am a 30-06 fan.
 
On a more practical note, since 7.62x39 Handis are supposedly "rare as hen's teeth" and the limited availability of ACC 300 BLK rifles, my vote would be for the 30-30 or the 357 Max. 
 
Now, being that the 357 Max is mostly a handloading proposition, and you do not handload, I would have to vote for the 30-30 also.  The 30-30 was designed for carbine length barrels and would not waste as much powder compared to the 30-06.  The 243 also sounds like a good candidate, although I don't know much about them in short barrels.  If not for the ammo shortage 223 Rem might be a viable option for an off the shelf Handi.
 
But before you give up on the 30-06 shorty, take a look at this thread:
 
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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2013, 09:19:11 AM »
How about the .270?; it works well in even a 22" barrel, ammo is also still on my Wally shelves and 'reasonably' priced. So is the 30-06 (I just checked in there today). In a short tube the '06 probably is a ballistic twin to the .308, and that ain't bad.
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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2013, 09:21:04 AM »
Super Handi Rifle:

Donor: H&R Handi Rifle
Caliber: 30-30 Winchester
Barrel Length: 18" Cut and Recrowned (No Muzzle Brake)
Stock: Regular Synthetic Stock
Sights: 1.5-4x or 2-7x Shotgun Scope (Or Similar)
Budget: $600 Non Negotiable


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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2013, 09:30:10 AM »
Works for me  ;) , send it on down and I'll play with it for ya  ;D .
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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2013, 09:37:04 AM »
lol yeah, I'll hop right on that! :p


Can anyone recommend a gunsmith in Central PA that could do the cut and recrown?
(Work buddy doesn't want to do it on this style barrel because of the lug)

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2013, 09:41:28 AM »
It's easy to do the cut and crown yourself with a hacksaw and file, lots of info in the FAQs on it, many, many first timers here have done it.  ;)

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2013, 09:46:28 AM »
.357 is pretty scarce too, for some strange reason, but it's a good choice too. What is a Talo?

Talo trappers were offered a few years ago in SB1 357 & 44 mags, as well as SB2 45-70, wood stock, 18¾" barrel with sights, drilled and tapped for a scope rail. Talo is a distributor that offers special order H&Rs and other firearms.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2013, 10:00:18 AM »
H&R FAQ or Gunsmithing FAQ? (I'll see if I can find it in either lol)

I am a machinist by trade (went to school for it but no equipment) and work as a Railroad Conductor for Norfolk Southern. So if I had the lathe or what not I could do a "professional" job but if I can do it with a file.... here I go! :D haha



I am still looking around for a donor though. Walmart says they are out and can backorder... Gander wants $300 and Dick's is not able to get the model in.... Maybe I will keep my eye out for a good used one.


EDIT: I found the video from Midwayusa and the tutorials! Thanks!!! I will be skipping the thread job and IF I ultimately decide to add a brake, I will pick out a good clamp on.

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #27 on: May 06, 2013, 11:56:45 AM »
Before you start cutting I'd shoot it first.  Maybe a couple times with different ammo.  From what people post here I would say the 30-30 is one of the better shooters out of the box.  Maybe this is just me but if the rifle is shooting MOA or better I'd leave it alone and deal with the extra four inches of barrel.

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« Reply #28 on: May 06, 2013, 12:37:40 PM »
Super Handi Rifle:

Donor: H&R Handi Rifle
Caliber: 30-30 Winchester
Barrel Length: 18" Cut and Recrowned (No Muzzle Brake)
Stock: Regular Synthetic Stock
Sights: 1.5-4x or 2-7x Shotgun Scope (Or Similar)
Budget: $600 Non Negotiable


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Offline redleg11b

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Re: Build Concept
« Reply #29 on: May 06, 2013, 01:07:27 PM »
I shot my .223 @ 22" barrel, then cut/crowned to 18" with a hacksaw and the GBO rental reamer.  It is still quieter than a 20" braked AR though not by much.  I should be receiving my Handi back from Ilion soon with a 30-30 barrel.  I would love an "Ace in the Hole" rail from Williams for a QD low power scope with open sight option, but I don't believe they make one that will work with the Handi.  Time will tell after I shoot it in factory form first.  I am a huge fan of 16"-18" barrel rifles, bolt or break action and may end up doing something similar to you before all is done.  I like your build and recently had to decide between the '06 and 30-30 myself.  The helpful people on this forum gave some great input.  Where in Central PA are you?  I'm in Juniata County.
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