The term "Leftist"

[rickt300]

Just how offensive is the term? Anyone who supports Obama is a leftist. If not then tell me how I can weed out the leftists from the other Obama supporters. Help me define what a true "leftist" is.

[SHOOTALL]

why don't you give your definition then the rest of us can agree or disagree . Add to if necessary or debate your point.

[guzzijohn]

I am left handed, does that count?
GuzziJohn

[ChungDoQuan]

Anymore, it's anybody even slightly left of the wack-job T partiers (What's IN that Tea?) or fascists, including normal Republicans. Democrats are centrists. True Liberals are left of the Democrats. Socialists are left of Liberals and Communists are left of Socialists.

[reliquary]

Texts indicate that the terms "left-wing" and "right-wing" originated with  radical and less-radical factions in the French Revolution.  They were originally used, historically, in our government to describe the seating arrangements in Congress...Dems sit on one side of the central aisles...Repubs on the other.  Hence "compromise" became synonymous with "reaching across the aisle".
 
The terms have been generalized into politics with conservatives described as right-wing and liberals described as left-wing.  There are radicals on both ends of the political spectrum.  Generally speaking, the leftist of the left have been described as tending toward Socialism and Communism.  The rightest of the right have been described as TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Partiers, Libertarians, etc, tending toward anarchists.
 
Again, generally speaking, leftists have tended toward being more liberal and wanting more government influence...rightists tend toward being more conservative and wanting more individual freedoms...moderates are somewhere in the middle, aka "centrists".   Democrats have tended, in the last 50 years or so, toward being more liberal and were therefore called "leftists"...Republicans have tended toward being more conservative and sere therefore called "rightists".   Which brings to mind Mrs. Clinton's famous "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" comment...
 
Use CDQ's post as a reminder that one's viewpoint can be skewed by where one sits on the spectrum.

[KIMBER45]

Perception is reality . For some, I'm a "conservative." For some - ie. here- I'm a "leftest." For some- I'm in the middle. I like to think of myself as somewhere in the middle.
 

[DDZ]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity. 

[powderman]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

 
DDZ. You pretty well covered it, not a nickels worth of difference, obummerbot fits right in there too.
RICK. Don't bite friend. POWDERMAN. 

[Oldshooter]

Anymore, it's anybody even slightly left of the wack-job T partiers (What's IN that Tea?) or fascists, including normal Republicans. Democrats are centrists. True Liberals are left of the Democrats. Socialists are left of Liberals and Communists are left of Socialists.

Look up "Leftist" in the dictionary, there is a little thumbnail of CDQ there! 

[nw_hunter]

I live on the LEFT coast........................Does that make me a leftist?

[ironglow]

Anymore, it's anybody even slightly left of the wack-job T partiers (What's IN that Tea?) or fascists, including normal Republicans. Democrats are centrists. True Liberals are left of the Democrats. Socialists are left of Liberals and Communists are left of Socialists.

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  Your "explanation" above seems to illustrate your thought processes..
 
  The term "Left" and "Right" originated with the houses of Parliament in England;  Looking at the Parliament ..The House of Lords on the right, the house of commons on the left..and they vote and act about as the left and right here in the US do.
  Easier to give examples  Obama....Left ...  Reagan....Right

[powderman]

I live on the LEFT coast........................Does that make me a leftist?

 
YEEEEESSSS.POWDERMAN.

[Duke0313]

Funny how the "leftists" tend to congregate around the coastal areas. Is it part of their escape plan when the REAL AMERICANS decide we've had enough of their $#!+??

[mcwoodduck]

I live on the LEFT coast........................Does that make me a leftist?

 
YEEEEESSSS.POWDERMAN.

I live on the west coast too and NO I am not a Leftist! 
The term Left and right came from a meeting of the factions that were fighting after the Russian Revolution.
The Communists were on the left with a red flag the Royalists were on the right with a white flag and the groups i nthe middle that wanted to adopt parts of the Communist and the Royalists  were called PINK. 
The term left now = Communist 
The left adgenda in the US now has the goal of the Government being the center of the country.  And involved in everyones daily life some way.  Usually small minded people telling you haw you should live.  The Government trumps rights and rights are what the government gives you and cna take them away or modify them at a whim to support the government claim.  While the left calls for Rights they work to limit them and expand the power of government
The right has the citizen as the canter of the country that his rights  that limit government.  That personal freedom in purchasing, what thye want, what you want to make what you want to do with your time and money as long as your freedom does not make your freedom paramount to others. 

[ChungDoQuan]

Anymore, it's anybody even slightly left of the wack-job T partiers (What's IN that Tea?) or fascists, including normal Republicans. Democrats are centrists. True Liberals are left of the Democrats. Socialists are left of Liberals and Communists are left of Socialists.

Look up "Leftist" in the dictionary, there is a little thumbnail of CDQ there! 

Actually, for purposes of THIS board, I'd be the poster child for Socialism.  Sorry, I just don't go for the" every man for himself" theory--- house divided, all that. I'm a Socialist in that we live in a SOCIETY, and I see very little contribution to that society being done by the capitalist overlords. It's like "hillbilly" or "coonass"--- it's not an insult if you ARE one. 

[mcwoodduck]

Anymore, it's anybody even slightly left of the wack-job T partiers (What's IN that Tea?) or fascists, including normal Republicans. Democrats are centrists. True Liberals are left of the Democrats. Socialists are left of Liberals and Communists are left of Socialists.

Look up "Leftist" in the dictionary, there is a little thumbnail of CDQ there! 

Actually, for purposes of THIS board, I'd be the poster child for Socialism.  Sorry, I just don't go for the" every man for himself" theory--- house divided, all that. I'm a Socialist in that we live in a SOCIETY, and I see very little contribution to that society being done by the capitalist overlords. It's like "hillbilly" or "coonass"--- it's not an insult if you ARE one. 

QDC,
I can make you a beliver in capitolism. 
In a social system you have three doctors and your kid needs alife saving operation.  the Socialism assigns you to one of the doctors.
In capitalism you get to see who the doctors are and make a choice what doctor you want.
Doctor A was 1st in his Med School, does the operation your kid needs 20 time a month.  and has a Zero Mortality rate. and Will charge you $50,000 for the operation
Doctor B was 5th in his class and does the operation 5 times a month and has one death on the table and will charge you $35,000 for the operation
Doctor C was last in his class, was promoted all through school becasue of his race, religon, or sex / Sexual orientation he does 4 of these operations a month  with a mortality rate of 3% and has been sued for mal practice but will only charge $15,000 for the operation.
What doctor do you take your kid to?  There are 30 operations a month needed for this that the three doctors in yoru area proform.
The whole idea of capitalism is that you create a product or service others want and you become the best at it you can, others will try to do what you do as they see you making money at it.  But the better product will alwasy cost more.  The person that works hardest will always make more.  Even on a socialist society that assigns you a job some will do other things to be industrous and do other things that people want to make a littel more and make their family better off or more comfortable. 
 
 

[SHOOTALL]

leftist can best be thought of as someone who wants to make others spend money on projects they don't support and outside the need of govt. to do.

[ChungDoQuan]

McWoodie, that's not socialism; that's totalitarianism. Socialism is where the first doc would be assigned because he is the logical choice, and his salary would be paid out of the single payer plan BECAUSE he's good at what he does.

[SHOOTALL]

 You don't really believe that do you ? If so why do so many from Canada go to other places to get medical treatment ? And why do so many of there doctors spend time in the islands each year trying to improve their income ? I was told many if not most of what would be their good doctors migrate to the US and other less restricted countries leaving less that Stella doctors .

[ChungDoQuan]

That would be because we lure so many Canadian docs here, where being a doc, and especially being a surgeon, is synonymous with being a millionaire. That means there is a serious shortage of certain kinds of docs in Canada, making the wait overly long. And that's because it's so easy due to Canada being on our border. Why aren't Germans, Swedes, French, Australians, and English flocking here for treatment? Because we're not siphoning off their docs.

[SHOOTALL]

So now you understand capitalism at it's best . The reverse it with Obama care and the quality of our health care will decline.    See being here on site  is help educate you .

[guzzijohn]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"In capitalism you get to see who the doctors are and make a choice what doctor you want."


Maybe, maybe not. Depends upon your insurance company. Some give little if any choice.
Concerning Canadian health care. I can only go by the three Canadians that I know. When asked all have said favorable things about the the Canadian health care system. Also interesting that a while back a fellow Guzzi rider was involved in an accident in Sweden while on a vacation. He was taken by ambulance and hospitalized for a couple of days. Was not charged a penny.
GuzziJohn

[ironglow]

McWoodie, that's not socialism; that's totalitarianism. Socialism is where the first doc would be assigned because he is the logical choice, and his salary would be paid out of the single payer plan BECAUSE he's good at what he does.

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  The "death panel" as proposed by Obamunism, may "assign" you a doctor... or the panel might may tell you to stick with the pain pills;  simply  because you are too old, ill, or incapacited to bother wasting any more money on.
 
  Of course as it is designed, the Obamunists who forced this plan upon us, will still enjoy the gold plated medical care they always have.
 
   This is where our domestic socialists/communists start to learn about the institution of "party apparatchik" in such regimes..

[SHOOTALL]

I have hunted in Canada several times and no one I talked to liked it other than the Indians and they get everything free anyway. As example one guy need an operation on his heart. His doctor was allowed so many operations a year and had used them so he had to wait until first of the year when new funding was approved. Several would pay a dr. under the table to see what they needed then get travel health insurance ( there must be 50 bill boards between Winnipeg and the US border advertising THC) travel to the US, Mexico or Islands and have the work done. Then there are doctors who use up their allotment and then go to the Bahamas to doctor there for the rest of year. Some have arrangements where two or more man pratices in both places year round. And yess if caught it's not quite legal. 

[mcwoodduck]

McWoodie, that's not socialism; that's totalitarianism. Socialism is where the first doc would be assigned because he is the logical choice, and his salary would be paid out of the single payer plan BECAUSE he's good at what he does.

OK and now you have a shortage of Operations as Doctor A does 20 a month,  And the other two doctors do the other 9 a month. 
Your system of socilaism will have 9 kids not getting surgury a month.  so you are happy with your kid being one of those 9? 
9X12= 108 kids a year socialism is happy to kill. 

[mcwoodduck]

That would be because we lure so many Canadian docs here, where being a doc, and especially being a surgeon, is synonymous with being a millionaire. That means there is a serious shortage of certain kinds of docs in Canada, making the wait overly long. And that's because it's so easy due to Canada being on our border. Why aren't Germans, Swedes, French, Australians, and English flocking here for treatment? Because we're not siphoning off their docs.

Years ago the US passed a Law stating that if you did not attend Med school here in the US you cna not be a Doctor here.
Canada was the one that pushed it so that the doctors they paid  to train would stay in Canada.  But that system has shortages and the people that can not wait for their turn at the kinife they figure out a way to pay for the operation and they get it here in the US under great old Capitalism where socialism has let them down.   

[mcwoodduck]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"In capitalism you get to see who the doctors are and make a choice what doctor you want."


Maybe, maybe not. Depends upon your insurance company. Some give little if any choice.
Concerning Canadian health care. I can only go by the three Canadians that I know. When asked all have said favorable things about the the Canadian health care system. Also interesting that a while back a fellow Guzzi rider was involved in an accident in Sweden while on a vacation. He was taken by ambulance and hospitalized for a couple of days. Was not charged a penny.
GuzziJohn

If you do not find out who your doctor is even under an insurance policy you are just giving up.  That is the problem with the semi socialist HMO and PPO system and if the Insurance company was going to send my Kid to Doctor C, I would figure out a way to pay for Doctor A or Dr. B. 

[SHOOTALL]

So removing the road blocks that keep competition out is a bad thing ? Maybe a look at the regulations that cause HC to be inflated should get a good going over. Maybe if a company insures doctors they should not be allowed to insure patients or vise versa. Maybe some of the hoops a drug company has to jump thru. should be re evaluated .

[mcwoodduck]

Obama care was supose to cut HC costs by $1500 a family and it now looks like it us going to ADD $2300 a year to your HC costs.
That is a $3,800 a year cost increas from what they said it would cost. 
If Obama care was supose to cut HC costs why did it never look at hthe COSTS. 
Capitalism is excatly what you want in HC.  It will allocate the resources most efficiently and keep the costs lthe lowest.
 

[ironglow]

TM Says;
  More US babies die on their first day than in 68 other countries, report shows...
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  You may very well be correct TM;  how many "Dr Gosnells" are still making big money out there ?
 
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/may/5/hagelin-the-reality-of-abortion-gosnell-is-no-outl/