The term "Leftist"

[powderman]

That may be true!  And if you write full page explanations of your arguments in multi colors you are a "confusionist"

 
OLDSHOOTER. Agreed Sir. If folks want their replies read simply post a reply. I NEVER read those multi colored posts, they are hard to read and for my part pretty silly. POWDERMAN. 

[Oldshooter]

I am a Libertarian...a "leftist" is anyone more liberal than I.

HA! I always wanted to be a left winger! Just to see how it feels of course! Now That I'm established by Reliquary as a leftist I may look at stuff a little differently. NOT! 

[Oldshooter]

That may be true!  And if you write full page explanations of your arguments in multi colors you are a "confusionist"

 
OLDSHOOTER. Agreed Sir. If folks want their replies read simply post a reply. I NEVER read those multi colored posts, they are hard to read and for my part pretty silly. POWDERMAN. 

Well it gets to be a problem when you cant tell who's on first, What is in red and Idunno is blue and so on and so on! As the page continues on and on the argument goes to third, and I go home! 

[mcwoodduck]

That may be true!  And if you write full page explanations of your arguments in multi colors you are a "confusionist"

 
OLDSHOOTER. Agreed Sir. If folks want their replies read simply post a reply. I NEVER read those multi colored posts, they are hard to read and for my part pretty silly. POWDERMAN. 

Sorry I do the multi color response inorder to directly argue with what commie said that is completely wrong about the way our Economy works and how Taxes hurt the economy, rules and regulations may be needed , excessive rules and regs cost jobs and add costs, and that most of what the left vomits out is exactly opposite of what they state their goal is. 

[SHOOTALL]

Ignoring fact does not change fact. For Y'ALL, capitalism IS your religion. (Reread TM's post, this time for meaning.) For me, it's a method. That means I can logically improve the method, and y'all just have to blindly follow your saints, the 1%. NO, I'm not leaving. I'M staying and changing the things that need changing. You all might as well get ready--- it's going to change. It HAS to. The Israelies are RIOTING this morning, in response to their new finance minister's initiating their version of austerity. There are riots all over Europe in response to the top 1% foisting their costs off onto the middle class, and there will be riots here unless major changes are made to the present parasitic system. My facts are not the same as, nor do they have the inherent weakness of, YOUR beliefs.

 After reading this my hog wash meter broke. I will replace it with a meter with more capacity .

[reliquary]

Oldshooter...your post 65:  Heck, Rush Limbaugh is to my left, as well.  So you're in good company....

[Oldshooter]

    

[rickt300]

Well I am a Libertarian who is completely out of the loop when it comes to the left wanting to give every aspect of their life to government. The Constitution is a very liberal document, it give us the power over our own lives. How can anyone work against it?

[SHOOTALL]

Well I am a Libertarian who is completely out of the loop when it comes to the left wanting to give every aspect of their life to government. The Constitution is a very liberal document, it give us the power over our own lives. How can anyone work against it?Because they have been brain washed !

[gypsyman]

I'm waiting for one of the posters here, to hear what they have to say about the new Obama care, a Socialist idea, when it affects their job. My wife works in the medical field, as a MLT, and the insurance company's for years have had their fingers in the works. She told me years ago,what tests are to be paid for, and which one's they will not cover. Depending on circumstance's some tests they'll pay for, some not. Doesn't matter what the doctor ordered. Wait until O'bie care kicks in more, and there will be no testing done is say, your over 60, a special needs child, in one political party or group.(sound familiar IRS fans!!) There will be no need for insurance company adituors if the govt. is running the show. gypsyman

[ChungDoQuan]

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/05/20/33-quotes/

[SHOOTALL]

I'm a Conservative Libertarian  , I chose to be so . No one told me what I was no assignments . As for an attribute , not wasteful.
I view all issues as just issues but my conclusions always come down to the same thing. Small govt. cut wasteful spending and less control over personal freedoms.
 BTW how do ya post in colors ? 
 

[Oldshooter]

I can figger out the posts in color but rarely read em especially if they are longer than a couple of sentences. If the post fill my moniter screen you can bet it is skimmed and passed over. The color dont bother me as much as the multiple swithing from one author to the next and back and forth with different colors. But in reality as soon as I see some posts I just move on. 

[Reason_Please]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

Way to combine four distinct political/perceptual outlooks into one category!  Someone should take away your keyboard for even sharing such nonsense.  Anyone with the least bit of intelligence would not think to operate under such ignorant absolutes.  But thats what people do when they are scared, and for people with closed viewpoints - the world is a scary place.

[DDZ]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

Way to combine four distinct political/perceptual outlooks into one category!  Someone should take away your keyboard for even sharing such nonsense.  Anyone with the least bit of intelligence would not think to operate under such ignorant absolutes.  But thats what people do when they are scared, and for people with closed viewpoints - the world is a scary place.

One thing I have noticed Liberals like to do is remove opposing opinions.

Scared? No I'm not the least bit scared.
Worried, yes for my kids and grandkids. Cause I see what the leftists, liberals, socialists, and communists are turning this country into.
 Can we see your ideas of what a leftist is? Or what the term leftist means to you? It is the topic of the thread.   

[Reason_Please]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

Way to combine four distinct political/perceptual outlooks into one category!  Someone should take away your keyboard for even sharing such nonsense.  Anyone with the least bit of intelligence would not think to operate under such ignorant absolutes.  But thats what people do when they are scared, and for people with closed viewpoints - the world is a scary place.

One thing I have noticed Liberals like to do is remove opposing opinions.

Scared? No I'm not the least bit scared.
Worried, yes for my kids and grandkids. Cause I see what the leftists, liberals, socialists, and communists are turning this country into.
 Can we see your ideas of what a leftist is? Or what the term leftist means to you? It is the topic of the thread.

A leftist in the 21st century sense is synonymous with liberal, both of which are adjectives to describe decisions or opinions and not the people who harbor them.  You can use a dictionary to look up their definition but more importantly is the realization that they are just descriptions.  Typically the leftist mentality proposes ideas to create a different future ripe with opportunity, where the right ideologically upholds the structures of the past in the trust that conventional systems is what this country will thrive under.  But that has little relevance to what people today associate with both terms since the those who identify themselves as "left" think the right are redneck conservatives and the those on the "right" think the left as hippie liberal commies.  All it breeds is confrontation which is why your original comment frustrated me since it represents such a close minded viewpoint. Since no one is absolutely one or the other - especially if you know your history.


And removing opposing ideas?  I dont even know what that refers to.  Maybe through logic they remove opposing ideas, or maybe there is some leftist magical power I dont know of that amazingly makes opposing opinions vanish from message boards.  I do not sit on either side of the isle, I just have viewpoints that direct my decision making.  But as you generalized those on the left, I will make a small generalization about those on the right who casts leftist thinking into the realm of insanity.  Those who fear for the future of their children and grandchildren have themselves to blame, not the liberals, socialists, and commies.  Our current State has been decades in the making, not years.  That means all your years voting for your representatives, sharing ideas, and influencing the minds of future generations have led to this future.  Maybe if those who chose to take part in the political system would have been paying attention more, everything would not be so shattered now.  But it sure is easy to blame the damn commies, and it gets you off the hook. 

[DDZ]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

Way to combine four distinct political/perceptual outlooks into one category!  Someone should take away your keyboard for even sharing such nonsense.  Anyone with the least bit of intelligence would not think to operate under such ignorant absolutes.  But thats what people do when they are scared, and for people with closed viewpoints - the world is a scary place.

One thing I have noticed Liberals like to do is remove opposing opinions.

Scared? No I'm not the least bit scared.
Worried, yes for my kids and grandkids. Cause I see what the leftists, liberals, socialists, and communists are turning this country into.
 Can we see your ideas of what a leftist is? Or what the term leftist means to you? It is the topic of the thread.

And removing opposing ideas?  I dont even know what that refers to.  Maybe through logic they remove opposing ideas, or maybe there is some leftist magical power I dont know of that amazingly makes opposing opinions vanish from message boards.  I do not sit on either side of the isle, I just have viewpoints that direct my decision making.  But as you generalized those on the left, I will make a small generalization about those on the right who casts leftist thinking into the realm of insanity.  Those who fear for the future of their children and grandchildren have themselves to blame, not the liberals, socialists, and commies.  Our current State has been decades in the making, not years.  That means all your years voting for your representatives, sharing ideas, and influencing the minds of future generations have led to this future.  Maybe if those who chose to take part in the political system would have been paying attention more, everything would not be so shattered now.  But it sure is easy to blame the damn commies, and it gets you off the hook.

Gee, how soon you forget the comment about removing my keyboard. That would be the same thing as removing opposing ideas, or removing ideas you plain just don't like. 

So you teeter on the fence? Now your comments make some sense. No ideas of whats right and whats wrong?

What are you trying to say Reason? Is it your view that the conservatives have the country screwed up? You seem to be saying that its not liberal or socialist ideas that have created what we have. The problem is a Conservative representative can't win anymore. So how is it my fault that what I vote for is not in place, but a bunch of politicians with opposing views to mine are running the country?     

[mcwoodduck]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

A leftist in the 21st century sense is synonymous with liberal, both of which are adjectives to describe decisions or opinions and not the people who harbor them.  You can use a dictionary to look up their definition but more importantly is the realization that they are just descriptions.  Typically the leftist mentality proposes ideas to create a different future ripe with opportunity, where the right ideologically upholds the structures of the past in the trust that conventional systems is what this country will thrive under. 

And removing opposing ideas?  I dont even know what that refers to.  Maybe through logic they remove opposing ideas, or maybe there is some leftist magical power

Originally a Liberal was what is the definition.  Curently the liberal sees a problem in society and the answer is GOVERNMENT.  More taxes, more agencies, more programs, more laws, more restrictions to curtail your freedom.  A Conservitive today does not see every problem to be solved by governement, and they see most problems being caused by more intrusive government, rules and laws that limit freedoms, create a false safety net and allow more theft and coruption. 
And yes the Left is great at attacking those that oppose their ideas.
A few examples - Bill Clinton is in a law suit for sexual harrasment, and currently haveing sex with an intern in the oval office creating another sexual harrasment case, according to the NOW people.  So he asks current subject of his sexual harrasment to lie in the case of his previous case suborning purgury comitting a feloney.  Girl 2 tells someone else and that person tell girl 2 to tell the truth in the case.   The news media attacks Linda Tripp, for telling about the feloney and then attacks the independant investagator personally and changed the case from  attacking the judicial process by the cheif law enforcement officer to is is about him being a horn dog and who cares. 
Justice Thomas is a Balck man that does not hold to the Demcorat idea of how a Black person should think and hey attacked him in the news for not being one of the sheep.  Same goes for Collin Powell, Condlisa Rice, and many others. 
Whistler blowers in private industry are calle patriots, but when a whistle blower exposes the Climate gate E-mails showing how to make up the whole man made climate change he is called a fraud and attacked by the media and they drop the story if they mentioned it at all.  On the reverse The news media under Dan Rather made up a story with fake letters and aired a fake story about President Bush's military service, when the fraud was exposed they gave Dan Rather a life time acheivment award.   

[Reason_Please]

Leftist, liberal, socialist, communist can be described as one who harbors insanity.

Way to combine four distinct political/perceptual outlooks into one category!  Someone should take away your keyboard for even sharing such nonsense.  Anyone with the least bit of intelligence would not think to operate under such ignorant absolutes.  But thats what people do when they are scared, and for people with closed viewpoints - the world is a scary place.

One thing I have noticed Liberals like to do is remove opposing opinions.

Scared? No I'm not the least bit scared.
Worried, yes for my kids and grandkids. Cause I see what the leftists, liberals, socialists, and communists are turning this country into.
 Can we see your ideas of what a leftist is? Or what the term leftist means to you? It is the topic of the thread.

And removing opposing ideas?  I dont even know what that refers to.  Maybe through logic they remove opposing ideas, or maybe there is some leftist magical power I dont know of that amazingly makes opposing opinions vanish from message boards.  I do not sit on either side of the isle, I just have viewpoints that direct my decision making.  But as you generalized those on the left, I will make a small generalization about those on the right who casts leftist thinking into the realm of insanity.  Those who fear for the future of their children and grandchildren have themselves to blame, not the liberals, socialists, and commies.  Our current State has been decades in the making, not years.  That means all your years voting for your representatives, sharing ideas, and influencing the minds of future generations have led to this future.  Maybe if those who chose to take part in the political system would have been paying attention more, everything would not be so shattered now.  But it sure is easy to blame the damn commies, and it gets you off the hook.

Gee, how soon you forget the comment about removing my keyboard. That would be the same thing as removing opposing ideas, or removing ideas you plain just don't like. 

So you teeter on the fence? Now your comments make some sense. No ideas of whats right and whats wrong?

What are you trying to say Reason? Is it your view that the conservatives have the country screwed up? You seem to be saying that its not liberal or socialist ideas that have created what we have. The problem is a Conservative representative can't win anymore. So how is it my fault that what I vote for is not in place, but a bunch of politicians with opposing views to mine are running the country?     

My original comment was made in good fun.  I wasnt actually implying you should get your keyboard taken from you.  And I never said I was a liberal, and the fault in thinking is to believe there is a fence in the first place.  I dont consider myself a moderate, left, or right. I make my decisions based on facts and character, not rhetoric or party titles.  I know that it is wrong to cut down an idea without providing due process, I know its wrong to demonize an entire ideology, and I know its wrong to scapegoat a huge problem on one group of people.  So no I do not blame conservatives for screwing up this country. 


And I did not blame you personally for anything.  I blame close mindedness for letting this country spiral out of control, whether its from the right, left, up, or down.

[rickt300]

Well I am a Libertarian who is completely out of the loop when it comes to the left wanting to give every aspect of their life to government. The Constitution is a very liberal document, it give us the power over our own lives. How can anyone work against it?

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How do you know you're a Libertarian or a Conservative?
Who told you are assigned to be one of those? 
What attribute do you see assigned to those 'badges'...?
Do you ever view issues as just issues_ _not framed by your righty vs lefty dialogues?
BTW,,, you can post in colors all you want_ _not a bother I can usually follow/figure out multi-colored posts....
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..TM7

To preserve my country I take on those "badges" as part of my duty to this country. And I don't campaign "righty vs lefty" dialogue, I would like to see lefty dialogue put under the same pressure the conservative groups have suffered. In fact I know you have no concept of what a "righty" is. On my scale of things both the big parties, the Republicans and the Democrats are left of center. The Republicans are way nore interested in keeping our second amendment rights in place all the while suffering under attacks on the first amendment. So I support them to a degree. Name one admirable thing Obama has done.

[ChungDoQuan]

I'm still amazed at the so-called Rightys' mindless acceptance and support of corpo-communism. It's that thing with the "badges"--- they focus on the hot button words apparently without thinking about it at all. (Robert Anton Wilson used to call those "fnords.") For example, there was nothing socialist about the National Socialist party in 1940s Germany, just as there is nothing free about the corpo-communist run "free market." There is one ray of hope--- the pseudo socialist Soviet Union failed under it's own weight, and its structure was identical to that of the modern corpo-communist multinationals.

[SHOOTALL]

So you feel the mindless acceptance by the left is better ? Like CHANGE , only later finding out it will cost more than it will ever benefit ? Or global warming only to find out like all left wing agenda is based on lies ? Or the concept of our left wing leaders passing laws SO THEY CAN READ THEM LATER AND SEE WHAT IS IN THEM ?
 When one says mindless why is it the LEFT comes to mind ?
 
BTW the right has never claimed to be perfect and in fact implemented laws to protect against abuse. It's the LEFT always claiming they will provide the perfect society now isn't it ? Like in Russia , China or any other commie third world country.

[ChungDoQuan]

To paraphrase Thomas Edison, when he was asked about the thousands of attempts it took to invent the light bulb, now we know the ways it WON'T work. Socialism certainly won't work if it's organized top down, like corpo-communism. It was never intended to be organized that way. Socialism can be thought of as the political application of the Deming management plan. You know, the management style that made Honda, Toyota, Sony, Hitachi, and Motorola what they are today. (Not so much Motorola anymore, but participative management save the company in the '80s and '90s.) Liberals are at least open to trying other ways when the first plan (corpo-communism) fails. And, unless you're in the top 1%, it HAS FAILED. Rightys just mindlessly do the same thing over and over, making themselves poorer and poorer and that top 1% richer and richer.

[SHOOTALL]

That is pure HOGWASH .IMHO . Any form of govt. or management that rewards non production and demands more from some over others is a doomed example of either.

[ChungDoQuan]

The people making the MOST money in the current corpo-communist companies are non producers and demand more and more from their employees while giving them less and less, so I agree with you. We have entire corpo-communist companies that produce nothing, and steadily get richer! How long can that last? (Historically, about 15-20 years before the resulting recessions have forced things to change--- usually by starting another war and raising taxes on the middle class.)

[SHOOTALL]

so you feel that those who invest don't produce anything ? So the guy who cannot afford tools or education in how to make something would produce with out the investment of the owner or upper management ? Many company leaders came up the ladder and in reality saw unlike you that they can either use two hands and produce a little or use their brain and wealth and put hundreds of hands to work producing lots of products.
 That is the problem with the left they sell people on the idea that all people are equal when they are not . Some can learn a skill others cannot , some can create or invent others cannot , some will work others will not . trying to make them equal is like hearding cats in the end you will just pizz off the cats.

[mcwoodduck]

Shootall,
QDC has lost it and does not understand that Higher taxes kill jobs, that more regulations, kill jobs,  That higher fuel costs kill jobs, that more social welfare kills jobs and creates the everlasting ressession we are in.  And yes when the growth rate of the population is larger than the growth rate of the economy we will for ever have a flat or little growth, 
We can see around the world that young people that do not have jobs get angry and are subject to radical thinking. 
What he does not get is that the higher the price of a good the less of that good will be sold.  the less of the good sold the less people are needed.  the less people are needed the higher the supply of those people and the less will be paid for that labor lowering wages. 
SO if you want higher wages, higher prices, more items, and more tax dollars collected over the long run we simply need to shringk government power, lower taxes, and deregulate more. 
But the brain washed socialist / communist can not see history, economiucs or the flaw in their system that does the exact opposite theing they say they want. 

[Beluga_Tuesdays]

So you feel the mindless acceptance by the left is better ? Like CHANGE , only later finding out it will cost more than it will ever benefit ? Or global warming only to find out like all left wing agenda is based on lies ? Or the concept of our left wing leaders passing laws SO THEY CAN READ THEM LATER AND SEE WHAT IS IN THEM ?
 When one says mindless why is it the LEFT comes to mind ?
 
BTW the right has never claimed to be perfect and in fact implemented laws to protect against abuse. It's the LEFT always claiming they will provide the perfect society now isn't it ? Like in Russia , China or any other commie third world country.

Are you implying that global warming is a leftist conspiracy? 


And an agendas breed mindlessness or selective ignorance, whether it comes from the left or right.  It would be a silly argument to presume only one side of the isle caters to lobbyist or donations.

[SHOOTALL]

So you feel the mindless acceptance by the left is better ? Like CHANGE , only later finding out it will cost more than it will ever benefit ? Or global warming only to find out like all left wing agenda is based on lies ? Or the concept of our left wing leaders passing laws SO THEY CAN READ THEM LATER AND SEE WHAT IS IN THEM ?
 When one says mindless why is it the LEFT comes to mind ?
 
BTW the right has never claimed to be perfect and in fact implemented laws to protect against abuse. It's the LEFT always claiming they will provide the perfect society now isn't it ? Like in Russia , China or any other commie third world country.

Are you implying that global warming is a leftist conspiracy?  it would seem so in many cases


And an agendas breed mindlessness or selective ignorance, whether it comes from the left or right.  It would be a silly argument to presume only one side of the isle caters to lobbyist or donations.not to worry they both have a plenty

[rickt300]

So you feel the mindless acceptance by the left is better ? Like CHANGE , only later finding out it will cost more than it will ever benefit ? Or global warming only to find out like all left wing agenda is based on lies ? Or the concept of our left wing leaders passing laws SO THEY CAN READ THEM LATER AND SEE WHAT IS IN THEM ?
 When one says mindless why is it the LEFT comes to mind ?
 
BTW the right has never claimed to be perfect and in fact implemented laws to protect against abuse. It's the LEFT always claiming they will provide the perfect society now isn't it ? Like in Russia , China or any other commie third world country.

Are you implying that global warming is a leftist conspiracy? 


And an agendas breed mindlessness or selective ignorance, whether it comes from the left or right.  It would be a silly argument to presume only one side of the isle caters to lobbyist or donations.

I am absolutely saying global warming which had to evolve into climate change is a leftist conspiracy. To blame carbon dioxide for any weather change is faux science. A clear gas does not absorb or trap heat. Co2 is an absolutely necessary element, one of the building blocks of life. It is not  a greenhouse gas because it traps heat, it is because plants breathe it and release oxygen. This accelorates plant growth and improves our atmosphere. The amazing part is that this fact is available to anyone who cares to look but the Pied Piper has scores of morons ready to follow him. Morons can't think for themselves. The satisfied ignorant are another big group.