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7 things we learned about the Benghazi testimonyies.
« on: May 09, 2013, 03:00:08 PM »
Bryan Preston
May 8, 2013


The Republicans mishandled the Benghazi whistleblowers’ hearing. What should have been stretched across several days to give the nation time to digest it all, was instead packed into a single day filled with an overwhelming amount of information. The media’s attention span is not that long. The verdict in the Jodi Arias trial came along in the afternoon and blew Benghazi off the networks, most of which didn’t want to cover it at all. Even Fox joined the drive-by media, taking Benghazi off the air in favor of the irrelevant Arias trial. Following the announcement of the Arias verdict, charges were read in the Cleveland kidnapping case. Those were aired live as well, relegating Benghazi again.

Nevertheless, for those who slogged through the entire day of hearings and ignored local crime stories, new information was there to be learned.

1. There were multiple stand-down orders, not just one. Special operations forces were told, twice, by their chain of command not to board aircraft to Benghazi to rescue the Americans then under attack. The U.S. deputy diplomat, Greg Hicks, testified that the military commander, Lt. Col. Gibson, had his team ready to go twice. They were on the runway about to board a flight to Benghazi in the middle of the attack. They were ordered to stand down and remain in Tripoli to receive wounded who would be coming out of Benghazi. One of the orders came in the middle of the attack, the other came toward the end after Hicks’ team had traveled from Tripoli to Benghazi. The fact that Hicks’ team was able get to Benghazi before the end of the assault strongly suggests that the special operations team could have made a real difference.

At the same time, the State Department’s commander on the scene, Hicks, ordered his personnel into Benghazi and went there himself. Hicks testified that Gibson never told him who issued the stand-down orders. He commented that Gibson told him that the military stand-down was a shock: “This is the first time in my career that a diplomat has more balls than someone in the military.”

Hicks also testified that the U.S. government never even requested military overflight to support the Americans in Benghazi. The U.S. had an unarmed drone overhead and could have gotten permission to fly fighters over the scene, at least, but never asked.

2. Ambassador Stevens’ reason for going to Benghazi has been cleared up. Hicks testified that Ambassador Stevens traveled to Benghazi to fulfill one of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s wishes. Despite the fact that security was worsening in Benghazi for months leading up to the 9-11 attack, Clinton wanted to make the post there permanent. Her State Department had denied repeated requests from the U.S. team in Libya to upgrade security there, but she wanted to use the permanent post as a symbol of goodwill. Stevens was committed to that goal and told Clinton he would “make it happen.” He was in Benghazi on 9-11 furthering Clinton’s goal. She had denied requests to beef up security at Benghazi and then blamed his death on a YouTube movie. Hicks’ testimony raises the question of Clinton’s competence and grasp on reality, strongly suggesting that she put political perceptions ahead of the facts on the ground in Benghazi.

3. Clinton was briefed at 2 am on the night of the attack, was never told that a movie had anything to do with the attack by those on the ground in Libya, yet blamed the movie anyway. Hicks also testified that he was shocked when Ambassador Susan Rice blamed a YouTube movie for inspiring the 9-11 attack. He testified that he had briefed Secretary Clinton directly via phone at 2 a.m. and told her that Benghazi was a terrorist attack. He never mentioned a YouTube video, which he never once believed had anything to do with the attack. But Clinton shocked him by blaming the movie on Sept 12. She would blame it, again, while standing before the coffins of the slain Americans, on Sept. 14. During the attack, Clinton told Hicks that no help would be on the way to relieve the Americans under sustained assault.

4. Whistleblowers were intimidated into silence. Hicks testified to a pattern of behavior that leads to the reasonable conclusion that many officials within the State Department wanted him to remain silent after the Benghazi attack. He said that on the night of the attack he was personally commended both by Secretary Clinton and President Barack Obama. But he later questioned why Ambassador Rice blamed the YouTube movie, and from that point on his superior, Acting Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs Beth Jones, questioned his “management style” and told him directly that no one in State should want him on their team in the field again. He was eventually demoted to a desk job after having been deputy to Ambassador Stevens, and remains in that post. Hick also testified that the Accountability Review Board, convened by Clinton last fall allegedly to determine the facts of the attack, never had stenographers in the room during his tw0-hour interview.
 
Nordstrom concurred. Thompson was not even allowed to testify to the ARB despite having direct knowledge of the attacks due to his position on the U.S. Foreign Emergency Support Team. Thompson testified that the FEST was designed to go from zero to wheels up very quickly but was not deployed at all. He wanted to tell his story to the ARB, but was not allowed to. Hicks also testified that for the first time in his career, the State Department assigned a lawyer/minder to attend witness interviews with the ARB. He also testified that Jones told him not to be personally interviewed by Rep. Jason Chaffetz, the Republican House member who was investigating the attack on behalf of the House Government Oversight and Reform Committee. It all adds up to a pattern of witness control and intimidation.

5. “The YouTube movie was a non-event in Libya.” Hicks directly testified that the YouTube movie, for which a man remains in jail, was not in any way relevant to the attack in Benghazi. Why Obama, Clinton, Rice et al blamed that movie for the attack remains an unanswered question. Hicks said that no American on the ground in Libya that night believed the movie was to blame. He also testified that there was no protest prior to the attack. When the attack began, he was in Tripoli. He texted Stevens, who was in Benghazi, to advise him of the riot in Cairo at the U.S. embassy.
 
In that riot, jihadists had stormed the walls and replaced the American flag with the black flag of Islam. Stevens had not been aware of the Cairo situation at all, but shortly after Hicks texted him about it, Stevens called and told Hicks that the Benghazi consulate was under attack. He never mentioned a protest.

Hicks also testified that blaming the movie had strongly adverse real-world effects. According to him, it humiliated Libya’s president, who had correctly stated that Benghazi was a terrorist attack. Blaming the movie, Hicks said, did “immeasurable damage” to our relations with Libya and delayed the FBI investigation. On Sept. 12, Ambassador Susan Rice told the first of her many untruths, claiming in an email that the FBI investigation into the attack was already underway. It would not actually get underway for 17 days after the attack, by which time the scene of the attack had been compromised and contaminated.

We still do not know who decided to change the original CIA talking points and blame the movie, but the finger is pointing directly at Hillary Clinton. She was briefed by Hicks during the attack, the movie was never mentioned, but in her first public statement on September 12, she blamed the movie. Her subordinate, Ambassador Susan Rice, also blamed the movie the following weekend. The fact that Obama himself blamed the movie repeatedly, though, strongly suggests that he took part in the decision as well.

6. Democrats were uninterested in getting at most of the facts, but were very interested in destroying Mark Thompson. Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) set the tone for the Democrats’ angle on the hearings in his opening remarks. He used his opening to attack the committee chairman, Rep. Darrell Issa, and to pre-question the witnesses. Most of the Democrats who followed him failed to ask many questions of the witnesses. Instead, they delivered speeches or blamed budget cuts, an argument that has already been debunked by the State Department itself. One sadly hilarious moment came during Rep. William Clay’s questioning.
 
The Missouri Democrat blamed the repeated denials to enhance security at Benghazi on budget cuts. Issa reminded him that the State Department has debunked that line, in the person of Deputy Assistant Secretary of State Charlene Lamb. She testified last fall that budget cuts had not impacted the decisions not to enhance security at Benghazi. Clay claimed not to remember Lamb’s testimony, then moved quickly to cite the ARB, which backed his side. His selective memory proved politically, if not factually, reliable.

Mark Thompson, member of the Foreign Emergency Support Team (FEST) testified that his section had been cut out of decision making during the attack. The Democrats consistently circled on him to try to get him to contradict himself or attack his boss, Daniel Benjamin, who has claimed FEST was included throughout the attack. They never really succeeded, and now Benjamin will be called to testify in a future hearing to clear up the dispute. The heads of the ARB, Ambassador Thomas Pickering and Admiral Michael Mullen, will now be called as well.

7. House hearings are a poor way to determine who did what and why during and after the attack. The Republicans, as I said, should have broken today’s hearing out across several days. When they did question the witnesses, they kept their speeches short and focused on getting answers. Their Democratic counterparts consistently gave speeches and raised red herrings. They were able to waste time and stall long enough for the Arias trial to push the hearing off the TV, and for energy to flag and boredom to set in. The Benghazi attack needs to be properly investigated by someone outside the political process and outside the Obama administration. State cannot be trusted; its own investigation failed even to interview Clinton. Defense may also have officers and political appointees to protect. A special prosecutor is in order and should be appointed.




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Re: 7 things we learned about the Benghazi testimonyies.
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2013, 03:35:43 PM »
The one thing we did not learn is WHERE was OBAMA during the attack.  He seems to be absent.
Was he out? was he drunk, was he high, Was he with a girlfriend or boy friend?  But some how he is missing through the whole crisis. 

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2013, 03:38:35 PM »
We learned more than 7 things.
 
8. We learned that the Democrats want very much that this go away!
 
9. We also learned that there is nothing that barry wouldn't have done to get reelected, up to and including lying about the deaths in Bengazi. I dont think he planned that to happen but when it did he mounted an all out propaganda war to not let his failure to help them make his reelection an issue. Is anyuone surprised?
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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2013, 09:01:31 PM »
We learned more than 7 things.
 
8. We learned that the Democrats want very much that this go away!
 
9. We also learned that there is nothing that barry wouldn't have done to get reelected, up to and including lying about the deaths in Bengazi. I dont think he planned that to happen but when it did he mounted an all out propaganda war to not let his failure to help them make his reelection an issue. Is anyuone surprised?

This issue has no legs.  Prove it all and you still have nothing.

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2013, 10:33:22 PM »
Trying to get answers on why 4 men were hung out to dry with no effort to save them is very much worth while. Simply shrugging ones shoulders and blowing it off is easy if your not families of the victim. If nothing else is revealed, the families will at least get some truth, and maybe a few Americans if any are still awake.
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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2013, 05:03:43 AM »
We've learned one more thing and that is that it was so much easier when they could just blame George Bush for everything that goes in the ditch.


The Obama administration has reconfirmed that it will never take responsibility for anything it screws up.  Oh yeah, they're sometimes quick to say that the buck stops with them, but there is always a lie laden excuse.  They are simply too dumb to realize that it would go better for them if they accepted full responsibility and said they would learn from their mistakes and try to do better.



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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2013, 05:46:26 AM »
We learned more than 7 things.
 
8. We learned that the Democrats want very much that this go away!
 
9. We also learned that there is nothing that barry wouldn't have done to get reelected, up to and including lying about the deaths in Bengazi. I dont think he planned that to happen but when it did he mounted an all out propaganda war to not let his failure to help them make his reelection an issue. Is anyuone surprised?

This issue has no legs.  Prove it all and you still have nothing.

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I'm embarrassed for them.
Well the administration lied to us. 
They said it was a roit about an anti Muslium movie and not a terrorist attack. 
If it were a terror attack it shows that we failed in intell, that what the president said was false, and that his notion that if we can only get rid of the republicans that world will love us was wrong.
It asks what happened and why it happened, where was the failure in communications, was it in asking for more security, was it in asking for support during the attack, was it ????? and how do you stop it from happening again? 
Why did the big lie about the movie persist and why was it never offically recalled?  What happened ot the most transparent adminstration ever?  Seems like Richard Nixon was more open than this group. 
If it was your brother, father, or husband that was attacked and no help was sent and people were told not to go wouldn't you want ot know why they were told not to go?  Wouldn't you want to know where were the suporting officials and where the break down was? 
Would you ask if this was a hit?  Terrorists were attacking and nothing was done to stop them?  Sounds like they sacraficed them for some political gain.  I am sure if it happened to Hillary that she would want every thing sent to help her or someone she loved and yet she says what difference does it make.  Lets send Chelsea there and see what difference does it makes. 
 

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2013, 07:20:49 AM »
There can be no doubt in any sane persons mind that hussein, clinton, likely several others, have American blood on their hands. Anybody who supports the illegal kenyan in this is guilty too. Shame on em. I have no use for hussein, or anybody who supports him. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2013, 10:26:23 AM »
We can be sure of one thing, hitlery will rue the day she said "what difference does it make?"
 
 
 
IN case I'm not here in 2016, somebody please post that line in a thread.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2013, 03:59:47 AM »
The one thing we did not learn is WHERE was OBAMA during the attack.  He seems to be absent.
Was he out? was he drunk, was he high, Was he with a girlfriend or boy friend?  But some how he is missing through the whole crisis.


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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2013, 05:25:19 AM »
I learned that the biggest crime and security failure of the century, The 911 Hoax, can go literally uninvestigated, kept secreted, and nobody fired or grilled as long as those in office have a GOP after their name; and that there constituency will defend them ad infinitum, even calling them heroes.
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This thread is about Benghazi. Not your goofball 911 conspiracy theory. Quit trying to change the subject. Our Ambassador and several other people lost their lives, and people in the administration let it happen, then tried to lie about it, and covered it up. Those of us who care about the people who died needlessly want some answers. We want to know who was responsible for this breakdown and cover up and we want them punished.
 
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« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2013, 07:56:55 AM »
 
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Now, GOPers have turned into 'conspiracy theorists' to track down get to the bottom of the real Benghazi story_ _where were these people around 911?.. ::)

Uh TM, I kinda think we've about reached the bottom with ABCs release of the e-mails.
 
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« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2013, 08:15:12 AM »
I learned that the biggest crime and security failure of the century, The 911 Hoax, can go literally uninvestigated, kept secreted, and nobody fired or grilled as long as those in office have a GOP after their name; and that there constituency will defend them ad infinitum, even calling them heroes.
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...TM7
This thread is about Benghazi. Not your goofball 911 conspiracy theory. Quit trying to change the subject. Our Ambassador and several other people lost their lives, and people in the administration let it happen, then tried to lie about it, and covered it up. Those of us who care about the people who died needlessly want some answers. We want to know who was responsible for this breakdown and cover up and we want them punished.
 
Robert
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Oooh! Incoming attack.   Sorry Bob....I see distinct parallels in the two events almost same format.
1) Commander and Chief, and others, failed to act and protect Americans
2) No real or cogent explanation is forthcoming, nor real investigation.....except an official conspiracy theory
3) Spin doctors turn the security failures around, cover up and capitalize on it...except not so much with Benghazi (yet)
4) no real investigation takes place and nobody gets fired for failure to perform
5) complicit propamedia runs cover for the main players and failures
6) gullible American public is keep in dark and diverted from more pressing issues
7) real perps and bad actors get away with crime and dereliction of duty. 
 8) Political teams and side takers play up opposing views...
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Four Americans got killed in CIA-BHO's Benghazi caper. The main difference is Bush, amidst ample security warnings, got 3000 Americans killed, another 6000+ killed GWOTing, 3 million islamics killed, permanized terrorism and security statism, failed in Iracq to get WMD, and brought the economy to the brink of disaster...GOPer apologist still defend this clown.
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That's how Benghazi and the NYC attack are the similar; and that's the big difference between the two. Now, GOPers have turned into 'conspiracy theorists' to track down get to the bottom of the real Benghazi story_ _where were these people around 911?.. ::)
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The problem here is that Bush isn't President anymore and the thread wasn't about 911. We weren't talking about "distinct parallels".  We're talking about Benghazi. What do you say we just stick to the subject?
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« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2013, 09:36:47 AM »
You left out one thing about Benghazi. That all the Republican "investigators" Voted to defund Foreign Service security months before any of this happened, led in their "cost cutting" by Darrel Issa. Having him spearhead the investigation is like having a judge sit on his own murder trial. Just like Fast and Furious, the Republican "investigators" only look at the evidence they want to see...
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« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2013, 03:34:27 PM »
I really believe that the benghazi fiasco Teaches several things other than what has been already mentioned, one of them is; Getting reelected is worth way more than we the people,  not in the ruling class, could even imagine.
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« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2013, 04:58:09 PM »
Too bad that B.O. , Hilliary, and Panetta were not standing in front of Judge Jeanine Pirro of " Justice" on FOX news! She gave a blistering admonishment to each of these three people for their part in the Benghazi episode!! All facts!!
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2013, 12:08:16 AM »
And Judge Jeanine has so much "authority" that it matters what she says. One here has already said it best. The Republicans, and Democrats all see "what they want to see", according to their own political agendas. Which is: Getting "re-elected". No more, no less.
Politics are "square in the middle" of this Benghazi investigation, and it will be a "tit-for-tat" back and forth banter, until everyone is sick of it. No one will be arrested, no one will be punished, and certainly, no one will be impeached. The American voter, and patriot, will be hand fed, just what the "government" wants them to be fed. You will not get the truth when the investigators, are the culprits. It's really that simple.
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« Reply #17 on: May 13, 2013, 12:57:22 PM »
Seems to me that hussein figured that him getting re elected was worth more than the lives of 4 Americans. He and clinton have American blood on their hands, they sacrified those men to get hussein re elected. Shame on them, and shame on some of you for making excuses for that scum. Obama is pure evil. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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