why do folks in the south hold a 150+ year old grudge?

[SHOOTALL]

Longtom  Im sure with your payback you knew the guy was alone right ?  After all you had your lights on high.  No way he could have had kids with him or anyone else was there ?  I guess it wouldnt matter to you tho all you wanted was revenge at any cost.  Kids, Family, Elderly,  I know they dont matter to you anyway...
 
Shootall  Great idea to minimize something False or dumb .  Ill try that with you,  Hope it works after all it should You said it does.. I guess you lack the imagination to come up with something thoughtful so you attack me . How dumb is that ?

[greenmtnboy]

 Damn you must have great eyes.   I didnt say anything about him being married or haveing kids, still could have had a passenger or two but to you it didnt matter you got what you wanted. It could have been someone else with his truck . You didnt know anything for sure other than you put a truck off the road.  Maybe. Oh yeah and WTSHTF as you say dont worry I can take care of my family and myself for a good long time.  Can You ??
 
 Nope  Shootall I  havent attacted you anything like you have been doing here and as for imagination maybe you should ask your buddy here about that, he seems to have a great one.   Cant you handle it when it comes back at ya?

[Oldshooter]

For the most part I have enjoyed this thread because it has let some folks vent, I have participated in it mostly "tongue n cheek" and I really have no more animosity towards people that live north of the mason dixon line than I do people that live south of me on this rural farm to market road. I dont like their asses either.   
 
It seems we may have ran the gambut of North V South and just started bickering. Now you yankees just whistle dixie and we can let bygones be bygones. 
 

[FPH]

The South shall rise again.  So there.

[LONGTOM]

greenmtnboy:
Since you seem to know what I could and could not see I guess you know better then I if there were someone else in the truck with him or that maybe it wasn't him driving.
You sir have no clue what I could or could not see.
Just to set the record straight I could plainly see who was driving and as I already stated I could also plainly see that he was alone.
Of course, since you seem to know so much about that night you already knew that, didn't you!
As far as who can handle themselves just hope you are not one who will ever have to find out about my skills.
You already know I fight to win and that I fight dirty.
Now, if you want to comment to me anymore why don't you talk about something you have first hand knowledge of instead of something you have no way of knowing about!!!
 
Better yet, I think I am through with you before I go to far here and post something I may regret and get in trouble with GB.
You are free to think what you want.

 
 
LONGTOM

[FPH]

You fight to win.....nothing dirty about it......no rules in a street fight.

[yellowtail3]

[greenmtnboy]

  Ill agree with the last 2 posts.  Very True.  As for the skills I doubt we will ever find out, But  Been there done that still doing well.  This did get way off topic but we wouldnt be much of an American if we didnt stand our ground would we ??

[LONGTOM]

Agreed!
 
 
LONGTOM

[SHOOTALL]

 
 Nope  Shootall I  havent attacted you anything like you have been doing here and as for imagination maybe you should ask your buddy here about that, he seems to have a great one.   Cant you handle it when it comes back at ya?

 
 
 
Really what I post on topics like this is no how I feel it is what someone who would ask suck a ridiculous question expects to here . Surely they don't expect a straight answer so they must be trolling so let the fun start.
 Consider how many crisis we as a country have met and won together since Appomattox . Consider that both sides suffered and lost much. The north is the way it is because it evolved that way and the South is what it is because we did also. There seems to be a move to be more Southern nation wide by some folks.
 Lets face it SWEET TEA is addictive   

[greenmtnboy]

     Its not a rediculous question at all.  Its one that a select few would just rather not answer or cant because they dont know why.  Its a direct spinoff of the war of northern aggression, A dig at Northerners. Something Northerners are not suppose to question. We All did lose a lot.  Most of this Country has moved on and are not changing to your so called Southern way.  They are being Americans, Not Southerners, Not Northerners just Americans Like it should be. 
  Sweet Tea   Ehh  Ill have a beer.   

[SHOOTALL]

If they aren't changing to Southern ways why is there so much South bound traffic on I 95 ? Why is so much industry relocating to Southern states from the North and West coast ? And hey Rush is pushing sweet tea coast to coast. Why are Southern states seeing populations expanding beyond the Birth rates ?
Like already noted it's not a 150 year old grudge it's renewed daily by some northerners. 

[BBF]

If they aren't changing to Southern ways why is there so much South bound traffic on I 95 ? Why is so much industry relocating to Southern states from the North and West coast ? And hey Rush is pushing sweet tea coast to coast. Why are Southern states seeing populations expanding beyond the Birth rates ?
Like already noted it's not a 150 year old grudge it's renewed daily by some northerners.

I'll give you a few reasons that have little to do with culture.
 
Lower taxes, both for individuals and business, real estate costs, less red tape to start up. Warmer winters OK you need to worry about taking flight or manning a boat. lower wages but also lower cost of living, less Union BS.

[SHOOTALL]

BBF , you miss the point that is how freedom works . That is what the South is about FREEDOM it is the culture. 

[BBF]

I don't think I missed the point. Folks and businesses moving south not to become Southerners
( impossible IMO, you gotta be born there ) for the reasons I posted and not to sing "Dixie" 
 
I would like to spend Winters there,but your country has become scary for unarmed old farts like myself.

[SHOOTALL]

How do you move South and live , work and enjoy the lifestyle here and not become a Southerner ? As far as born , maybe but maybe it's accepting our ways.
Come on down and bring your sporting clays 870 pump with the 18 inch bbl. 

[jng]

I guess most of you missed my point.  This post was about FAMILY!  I sure do not want to swap spit with the new in-law.
But, good God!  Like it or not, Our kids are the most imporant issue.  You may not like folks from the North, I could careless
where you live.  Issues like having a grudge does not help the kids.
The in-laws on both sides can or can not causes stress.. Newly weds have enough to deal with.
Joe
 

[greenmtnboy]

Id agree with BBF on the moving, No need in repeating.
  jng  there is nothing more important than our kids, I can't imagine what there going to have to deal with when they get our age.  Just hope they can do it as one.   Americans.

[SHOOTALL]

My SIL 's family is from up north . I tease him some he hates it and says he moved here as a kid and is now southern. And he is very southern .
 
 I get to go to parties when his northern family is down and they are good folks . What I notice most is they tend to be less guarded with how they talk. The men and women talk about most any subject in mixed company where in the south often mixed company stay away from certain subjects. No judgment just noting the difference. But it can make an old boy from the south blush from time to time.

[mannyrock]

   


      Country going southern?  As far as music, the entire country has been going absolutely southern for the past century.    Jazz (New Orleans) and Blues (Memphis) became the penultimate form of popular music in the entire U.S. from 1910 through about 1950.  Then a 5 years dead zone (Beebop!  Nice try  New Yorkers and Chicagoans.).   Elvis arrived, and then he and the others from Memphis, North Mississippi and East Arkansas brought rock'n'roll to the masses.  It has been the dominant music form in the U.S. ever since, followed extremely closely by the incredible growth of the country music industry, which went totally southern (pushing out the earlier West Texas influences) in the 1970s.  Cross-over southern artists, like The Alman Brothers, filled the gaps.




     The British music invasion of the mid-1960s started entirely with the Beatles and the Rolling Stones carefully copying the old black blues songs of North Mississippi, and then playing them up tempo to the new rock and roll speed of Elvis and Jerry Lee.  Laughably, you can hear "Mick" singing all of his songs in the best imitation he could manage of a southern black voice. (Jumpin Jack Flash and Satisfaction being the best examples.)




       New England folk songs anyone?  (Not!)


     
Mannyrock


   

[SHOOTALL]

You don't watch the BIG JOE POKA SHOW   ? 

[Oldshooter]

It was going southern then Austrailians and yankees that couldn't make it in rock and roll committed murder on music row! Well even if they weren't all yankees it fits my complaint! 
 

[scootrd]

   
       New England folk songs anyone?  (Not!)

   
Mannyrock

Hmm , ok I'll play .....

Bonnie Raitt , born in cali , moved to attended school in NY, thenon to Radcliffe Cambridge mass, finally migrated to Philly . Pretty folksy bluesy Yankee gal if you ask me.

Arlo Guthrie , Folk singer , Yep Brooklyn New York Yankee

Bob Dylan - Born in Minn , but made his career in Yep you guessed it - It up to you New York , New York.....

Peter Paul and Mary Folk trio - yep Yankees from Greenwich Village

Greenwich Village in the 60's was ground Zero for many many Folk singers.

Judy Collins, Carly Simon , Simon & Garfunkel, Joan Baez , Joni Mitchell, Janis Ian, Richie Havens

I could name dozens more but why bother .

and that's just the 60's ,

if we start talking about Bluegrass country , folks might be surprised Allison Krauss and Union station - yep Allison is a northerner Illinois. ohhh nooooooo!!!

Here's a good ole Yankee gal singin a beautiful folk song about "Angel from Montgomery" must be some sort of Blasphemy crossing fictitious northern / southern lines.

But then again unlike some here Music draws no boundaries. 

[Oldshooter]

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[BBF]

How do you move South and live , work and enjoy the lifestyle here and not become a Southerner ? As far as born , maybe but maybe it's accepting our ways.
Come on down and bring your sporting clays 870 pump with the 18 inch bbl. 

Your ATF has a say  in what I can bring.

[SHOOTALL]

of course they do , and I would think a sporting clays gun for sport would be fine. I have hunted in Canada and had no problem bring in a shotgun. I would not advocate breaking any laws. But if you travel where you can enjoy a round or two of clays why not enjoy. If the gun is around while someone is including you in a crime they are committing you would use what you had for defense.

[mannyrock]

  Scooterd,


   Bonnie left her college (I think it was Harvard) to travel with a touring black blues band from the South.  This launched her singing career.  Of course she was a Yankee.    But, she made her living singing Southern Music, not northern tunes, and imitating the vocals of southern black women.     I said that Southern Music took over the country, not just Southern performers (though they started it all.).


   Another good example is The Boss.  Born and raised in New Jersey, he tries desperately to sound southern and black when he sings.  His claim to fame was that he brought Rock and Roll, which had somehow lost its way in the mid 1970s, back to its original sound.  He was even billed as the "Northern Elvis".   Saw him perform at Duke University when I was a student there.  Great performer!





    Simon and Garfunkle?  Judy Collins?  Fantastic musicians.  Wrote alot of nice elevator music.  Didn't shift the American music scene one iota.  Throw Joanie Mitchell in there as well.


Mannyrock


   

[scootrd]

  Another good example is The Boss.  Born and raised in New Jersey, he tries desperately to sound southern and black when he sings.  His claim to fame was that he brought Rock and Roll, which had somehow lost its way in the mid 1970s, back to its original sound. 

Mannyrock
   

The Boss brought Rock back to it's original sound and saved it from disco .. your kidding right?
How old are you?

In 75 at the height of Disco , Floyd released Wish you were here at number 1 . Starship had Red octopus. Queen released night at the Opera, Dylan released Blood on the tracks, Patti SMith released Horses, and we were all Jammin to Toys in the attic.

While my little sister was disco-ing her little heart out , the rest of us were banging our heads to Led Zep , Bad Co, BTO , Pink Floyd, Yes, The Who , stones, Rush, Santana, Aerosmith , Blue oyster cult, Motorhead Judas Priest, Thin Lizzy, AC/DC, Queen, Goldern Earring , and on and on..

The Boss showed Rock their lost  way in mid 70's and gave them back their sound  ... give me a break.

[mannyrock]

Scootered,


   I never said the Boss save rock and roll from Disco.  Who brought up Disco?  He saved it from the light, flighty voices, and utterly stupid songs,  of guys like Seals and Croft, and the rock-light sounds of guys like Jackson Brown.   Ever heard the "Humming Bird" song?  That's what was happening to rock.


  I'm 58. I was there.  I saw the Boss twice in concert. 


  And yes, he was billed as the Northern Elvis, bringing rock back to its original, big E-chord, hard driving sound.  He didn't break any new ground.  Only helped bring it back to its roots.


    Oh well, we've sure strayed from the OP.  :-)


    And nobody has mentioned another Southerner named B.B. King, who is credited with inventing the single-string electric solo sounds of modern blues, which morphed into the standard solo work of rock artists today.


 Manny


   




   

[BBF]

Myself thinking:
 
Was I on this planet or perhaps had a long coma. I barely recognize any of these names. Ha?
 
Perhaps the answer is that I don't listen to that sort of stuff whatever it was/is.